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niyad

(121,323 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 08:05 AM Jul 2024

Before yesterday, I kept seeing all the increasing insanity around us,

and thinking that it was as if people had contracted some deadly fever/plague, or some massive, spreading infection, that would reach a critical point, and the fever would break, or the infection just burst and finally clear, and the healing would begin.

This morning, I wonder. . Did we finally reach that point, or is this plague one for which there is no cure, no vaccine, and it is going to kill us all?

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Before yesterday, I kept seeing all the increasing insanity around us, (Original Post) niyad Jul 2024 OP
New day, new strategy. I ain't going nowhere, at worst I'll make them trip over my corpse ... marble falls Jul 2024 #1
Nor am I going anywhere. I do like your thinking!!! niyad Jul 2024 #2
For those of us who are OTHER in the miasma that is "Corporate America" John Shaft Jul 2024 #3
Thank you so much for your thoughtful, eloquent post. As a boomer myself, niyad Jul 2024 #5
It may be "eye-opening" to some of us white people, to be forced to face fears DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #10
The United States has been an authoritarian regime John Shaft Jul 2024 #19
Indeed so. DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #20
Hear Hear! OldBaldy1701E Jul 2024 #14
Cheer up bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #4
Maybe our odds are better ? dweller Jul 2024 #6
They won't get much jmbar2 Jul 2024 #8
Calmer heads must prevail. As the Great Teacher Kaliman stated GreenWave Jul 2024 #7
Wishful thinking Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #9
That is the reality. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #17
It's tough being a Cassandra Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #18
Never really alone when you care. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #21
No, I believe it is a side effect of the information age ismnotwasm Jul 2024 #11
Our democracy in its current form looks unsustainable to me. hay rick Jul 2024 #12
The last eight years reminds me of something ScratchCat Jul 2024 #13
the teevee guws needs something to yap about. pansypoo53219 Jul 2024 #15
Oh, there is a cure. OldBaldy1701E Jul 2024 #16

marble falls

(62,737 posts)
1. New day, new strategy. I ain't going nowhere, at worst I'll make them trip over my corpse ...
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 08:08 AM
Jul 2024

on an interesting note to your 'plague', yesterday I was in the ER, first step to being taken in at VA, the Brucelosis I thought was cured last year after almost a year is back. I'm tougher than I need to be.

 

John Shaft

(808 posts)
3. For those of us who are OTHER in the miasma that is "Corporate America"
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 08:17 AM
Jul 2024

(Poor, Black, Brown, Native, LGBT, Women, Children, Disabled, Incarcerated), it has always been thus.

As a Black Man, I am not tripping. It isn't funny, but it is eye-opening to see (white) people who are socially "accepted" and who usually feel "safe" freak the fuck out.

Like when white suburban dwellers get roughed up by cops: they are completely shocked; they hire lawyers; they get their faces on the local news about their "injustice." They "back the blue" until it happens to them.

The same with the institutions, the "settled law" that isn't so settled, the same when the rule of law isn't applied equitably across the board.

Same in this situation.

Brother Malcolm's quote about "chickens coming home to roost" echoes in my mind. Different context, but same result.

White supremacy is in its death throes, this lashing out is an attempt for white supremacy to remain relevant and "supreme."

I'm a boomer - 20 years after my generation is long gone, there might be light at the end of the tunnel. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Climate change will be a motherfucker in the next 100 years, so there's that.

niyad

(121,323 posts)
5. Thank you so much for your thoughtful, eloquent post. As a boomer myself,
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 08:27 AM
Jul 2024

I think about what the next generations will be facing. What a nightmare.

(The "chickens coming home to roost" made me think of Ward Churchill again.)

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
10. It may be "eye-opening" to some of us white people, to be forced to face fears
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jul 2024

about police or authority, which black people have had to face every day of their lives... yes?

 

John Shaft

(808 posts)
19. The United States has been an authoritarian regime
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 01:25 PM
Jul 2024

for "Others" since its inception.

The Founding Fathers intended this country for white male property owners. That is its purpose. Liberty? For white male property owners. The promises of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?" You got it! That was meant for white male property owners.

When they say "Man/Men" in any founding documents as a synonym for "person," they mean white men of means who own property. They were considered "Human" and worthy.

Any other person was considered a savage, chattel property (women, children, and slaves), or treated like livestock (slaves).

bucolic_frolic

(48,008 posts)
4. Cheer up
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 08:21 AM
Jul 2024

They only plan to eliminate 1/2 of us and steal everything that all of us ever owned.

dweller

(25,291 posts)
6. Maybe our odds are better ?
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 08:28 AM
Jul 2024

We just eat 1 or 2 of the 1%
and the rest of them will fall in line pretty quickly



✌🏻

jmbar2

(6,298 posts)
8. They won't get much
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 10:19 AM
Jul 2024

A lot of us don't have two pots to piss in. Just time, votes, and loud persistent voices.

Attilatheblond

(4,870 posts)
9. Wishful thinking
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 10:20 AM
Jul 2024

The owner class now has the judiciary pretty much under their nasty thumbs. They already got most of the legislators who are doing their bidding of dumbing down the people.

The owner class KNOWS climate change is gonna be a serious problem, and they are gathering up all the nuts to make sure they will survive while the rest of the world fights for smaller and smaller crumbs.

Attilatheblond

(4,870 posts)
18. It's tough being a Cassandra
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 12:02 PM
Jul 2024

Been beating my head against the wall most put up against seeing reality all my life. Getting tired of people with eyes closed and fingers in ears. Glad to know I am not alone.

Kid Berwyn

(18,677 posts)
21. Never really alone when you care.
Wed Jul 3, 2024, 12:22 AM
Jul 2024

That’s why as long as there are two of us, democracy has a chance, my Friend.

ismnotwasm

(42,492 posts)
11. No, I believe it is a side effect of the information age
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 10:33 AM
Jul 2024

Someone repeats something over and over, the another someone then many someone’s over many platforms. Then the misinformation proliferates. People aren’t that deep, they often WANT to be told what is, without digging through the information swamp. There are many bad actors happy to oblige. There are lots of good folk too! I see them fighting daily.

(I am a little taken aback with the seemingly lack of knowledge of how American politics actually work sometimes, at least when I see it here on DU)

I do think we are in new territory. Like, brand new, soon to be VERY historical territory. Lucky us. Yikes.

We are retiring proverbial buggy whip manufacturers left and right as technology advances. Look around and things change as fast as heads turn.

People mostly want their basics. They want to feel safe. And quite often, nothing feels safe because we are in unknown, and uncharted territory.

I have hope.

hay rick

(8,390 posts)
12. Our democracy in its current form looks unsustainable to me.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 10:37 AM
Jul 2024

Meaningful democracy will not survive a Trump presidency and a hyper-partisan, hyper-oligarchical supreme court. I do not think the needed changes can be accomplished peacefully.

ScratchCat

(2,512 posts)
13. The last eight years reminds me of something
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 10:43 AM
Jul 2024

That I read in The Bible when I was young. Not that I am a Bible-believing person, so to speak, but I'll just throw this out there:

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Sounds like every other person I know. They all know better, but for some reason....

OldBaldy1701E

(6,869 posts)
16. Oh, there is a cure.
Tue Jul 2, 2024, 10:59 AM
Jul 2024

No one wants to implement it because it would fundamentally change the power structure in this country. All those in power would never consent to it, so we are still going to be dealing with all of this for some time to come.

However, I do feel that the current societal model cannot sustain itself and will crumble soon enough. Maybe not in a measure of years, but in a measure of lifetimes. The fact remains that what we make of things after this happens is going to decide the future of humanity. Because right now, our future is bleak. We are going to literally kill each other and everyone else over who has a piece of paper or a pallet of gold. The fact that we already have a defacto caste system in both our legal as well as our social aspects means that sooner or later, enough people will get sick of all the lies and delusion and stop it. Such actions are never pacifistic or peaceful in nature.

Never.

It is just a matter of time. However. we can try to stop this and create another future... if we can stop these Dunning Kruger test subjects from destroying everything in the name of personal dick-waving. That is why we need to vote blue and elect every single Democratic candidate we can. Even if you don't agree with them. Even if you don't like them. I have swallowed my pride and voted blue many times, not because I wanted to, but because they are the better choice for someone who was born a gay performer. (NO, not drag... you don't want to see that, trust me...)

Ultimately, we decide how this thing is going to go. Do we choose ignorant apathy, or do we start fighting for not just this election, but the day when everyone is actually equal to live their lives without fear of oppression and derision?

(Full disclosure, I am just a mouthpiece now, I cannot do much of anything other than speak the truth. But, I will do that until that mouth is silenced. You can count on it.)

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