TNR: Trump Just Revealed How He'll Attack Biden at Debate--and It's Vile

[DemocraticPatriot]

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https://newrepublic.com/article/182993/trump-biden-debate-attack

Trump Just Revealed How He’ll Attack Biden at Debate—and It’s Vile
He’s going to pin “migrant killings” on Biden. It’s false, and here’s how Biden should respond.


You can’t say you weren’t warned: At the upcoming presidential debate on June 27, Donald Trump plans to highlight a handful of horrific murders—allegedly by undocumented migrants—and blame them on President Biden. We know this because Trump told us so right on his Truth Social feed.

“We have a new Biden Migrant Killing—it’s only going to get worse, and it’s all Crooked Joe Biden’s fault,” Trump seethed, referring to the horrible death of a 12-year-old Texas girl. “I look forward to seeing him at the Fake debate on Thursday. Let him explain why he has allowed MILLIONS of people to come into our Country illegally!”

Now that Trump has telegraphed this coming assault, the Biden campaign has time to prepare a response. What should it be?

First, let’s be clear on why this line of attack is pure nonsense. Trump and MAGA figures have aggressively highlighted such killings lately, in many forms: Trump sometimes brings up victims at campaign events. MAGA lawmakers put them on T-shirts. Fox News airs visuals of migrant mug shots. And as Aaron Rupar shows, Fox sometimes even puts individual crimes in chyrons.

Read more:
https://newrepublic.com/article/182993/trump-biden-debate-attack


^^^ I do advise actually reading the article, for once--- it debunks every possible line of attack on this issue...

[Deuxcents]

1. I'm not paying attention to any of this pre debate stuff. Especially from TSF

No one puts their game plan out before an important game. He’s a bully and he’s desperate.

[WmChris]

2. Possible response

One could point out all the magat manifestos by the many right wing gun toting killers in the last few years. Many of them racist in nature.

[Frasier Balzov]

3. I said surge the border!

I didn't say kill anybody!

[blm]

5. Republican rhetoric falsely claiming open borders is behind the border surge

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The migrants surveyed believed the lies Republicans say right into the cameras, that Biden opened the borders.

Falsely claiming we have an 'open border' is driving migration surge

https://www.myjournalcourier.com/opinion/article/falsely-claiming-open-border-driving-migration-18652286.php

[Frasier Balzov]

8. I was trying to come up with a response to THIS.

[Qutzupalotl]

17. It sounds like he meant a surge of people who can hear asylum claims,

not a surge of migrants to the border. The first one is fully within our control, the second we can only respond to.

This sounds like it's the new “you didn't build that (road)” moment that could be packaged to mean something other than what was intended.

[blm]

25. Out of context. The fuller answer was clear it was asylum seekers

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and that our immigration system needed reform and fully staffed legal teams to deal with the ASYLUM claims AT THE BORDER.

So, why not add the context?

Shouldn’t you be expected to ADD the full context that is more clarifying when posting a RightWing-spread video clip?

[Marthe48]

18. I read a headline on DU

yesterday that encounters at the border had dropped in May by 9% and are down 17% from May year ago. I hope that the Dems keep facts/news like that handy in case traitor attacks Pres. Biden on immigration. Also, traitor told his mobsters in the Senate to oppose the bipartisan agreement that would have overhauled immigration/migrant/refugee laws. Be sure to put the blame where it belongs.

https://democraticunderground.com/10143259711

[kimbutgar]

4. It feels like a setup by " leaking " this secret plan

I’m sure President Biden has as a thoughtful and coherent response to the convicted felons nonsense.

[sop]

6. No doubt all the crackerjack tv "journalists" at the debate will fact check Trump's evidence-free claims.

[Rebl2]

10. Yeah right😐

[BoRaGard]

35. Ha ha - good one.

[B.See]

7. Actually tonight's NBC Nightly News with

Jose Diaz Balart gave the proper response in a news story that said not only was crime down, and immigrants commit fewer crimes than other groups, but crime is among the lowest in three cities with high populations of immigrants. The report also noted Republican opposition to Biden's Immigration bill.

But then again, crime was always higher in red states anyway, so immigrant crime it's just another of MAGA's racist false flag issues.

Look, bottom line is, there's no way Trump can lose any voters, no matter HOW badly he does.

Trump's devotees are going to vote for him regardless. And as far as I'm concerned, if you're still undecided, not voting, or planning a protest vote, then for all practical purposes, you too are a Trump voter.

Clearly there's NOTHING Trump can do or say to lose any votes. All the risk is Biden's.

WATCH: C-SPAN Caller Says He’d Vote Trump Even If Trump ‘Were To Molest My Mother - Mediaite

[Raven123]

12. Not so sure

Not all voters are paying attention, so there is room for movement to/from both candidates. As far as the cspan caller, just another proud deplorable getting 15 seconds of fame.

[JI7]

22. Talking about crime rates in general without responding to specific cases

isn't helping much.

These people that were here illegally and shouldn't be here still did those crimes. Victims of those crimes aren't going to feel better that crime in general is lower.

[Skittles]

28. how about talking about mass shootings?

yeah, let's talk about THAT

[JI7]

32. That also . The same applies that just because crime is down

doesn't mean we don't need gun control and we can point out those behind the shootings also.

[Skittles]

33. they literally don't care about children being slaughtered at school

but use the murder of a 12 year old girl to showcase their racism - it is sickening beyond belief

[DemocraticPatriot]

23. Trump won't lose any votes among the MAGGOTS, yes---

but the 'independents' will likely decide this election,
and that's another story altogether....

He's already being weakened among those voters, because he is now
A CONVICTED FELON....

[BoRaGard]

36. ABC News reporter last night basically just read G.O.P. talking points

Mary Alice Parks.

Sad to see someone just passing through republican BS as news.

Unethical and unprofessional.

[0rganism]

9. Looks like some distracting sleight of hand to me

I don't think TSF can successfully push that line to attack Biden. Others probably could, but not TSF. I think it's been put forth as a misdirection. Whatever TSF's strategy, it won't be posted on the internet beforehand.

Not saying it won't come up at all, but I doubt it's more than a side issue. The main things TSF has to focus on are making CNN look stupid and making Biden look old and weak, and his tactics need to be simple so he can get it done without implicating himself as either one.

This won't be an issue-focused debate.

[DemocraticPatriot]

11. You say that about a guy who can't help saying whatever he is thinking at any

given moment (even though he may not be able to finish the thought before he is off somewhere else)??

"Whatever TSF's strategy, it won't be posted on the internet beforehand."

You may be right about 'issues', but I agree with TNR that it is likely that he will make that specific 'issue-based attack',
and as far as issues go, it might be the most effective---
even though it is completely wrong.
"Lies travel around the world before the truth gets its pants on", and "if you are explaining, you are losing".


If he focuses all his efforts on making President Biden look old and weak,
I believe that will be a complete failure.

Side bet--- if anyone is 'drooling' during the debate, it won't be President Biden...

[0rganism]

24. We'll see soon enough, but I think TSF will need to go beyond issue-based gaslighting to "win" the debate

I think we all agree it will come up in some form, whether it's central to TSF's strategy remains to be seen. The more issue-driven the debate becomes, the more it favors Biden. As seen in previous debates, TSF prefers to stick to the pigeon-chess battleplan (knock over the pieces, shit on the board, strut away declaring victory) and talking issues isn't part of that.

TSF is no longer running as one fat flopping cult-leader ego, he's got a lot of rich, powerful people and organizations tied up in backing him on-the-record and I have to assume they expect results they can at least pass off as positive, or some horseheads are going to start showing up in some fancy beds. They'll want him doing what he does well, not killing his own stage presence in a vane attempt to appear competent.

As far as the leak goes, it's already doing plenty of damage free range. No need to do more than reference it in an "everybody already knows everything about this" kind of way.

[Raven123]

14. Might be more than we want though

Nearly all Ads running against Sherrod Brown claim his voting record has diverted funds to “illegal “ immigrants. Wouldn’t be surprised to see TFG try to say 5he same about Joe

[0rganism]

21. I think we'll get some of that, but it won't be TSF's default

The last thing TSF wants to do is let Biden talk about policies and voting records -- that'd be "fighting uphill me lads" for TSF, and he won't want to do that.

Any time in the debate where POTUS Biden talks coherently about policies and their consequences is time where Biden's got the advantage. Enough of that and the newsmedia might just raise the idea that Biden won the debate, which TSF's handlers know will damage TSF's ego (i.e., the rocketfuel they plan to ride to power).

[Freethinker65]

13. Respond with preventable deaths under Trump's watch

How reducing the price of insulin saves American lives. How coming up with a system to distribute the COVID vaccine (and tests) saved American lives. How protecting women's access to reproductive healthcare saves lives. How federal nutrition, housing, and medical subsidies save American lives. That while what Trump cited was indeed heinous and tragic, more Americans have been killed by Americans on American soil than by immigrants crossing the border (the number that has recently been decreasing). That mass murders with automatic weapons by Americans kill far more Americans and even Trump knew that when Trump banned the selling of bump stocks (which was recently overturned by Trump's SCOTUS nominees.

[usedtobedemgurl]

15. The counter reply is....

“I wanted to shore up the border. I tried to protect the country and all of our citizens. Someone thought it would be to their benefit to have the border unsafe and that was not me. The republicans have laid this at your feet, Donald. They say you want the citizens of this great country to suffer any crimes that may be committed by migrants - even if they are few and far between. The republicans have said you want the border open to fentanyl and the addiction and death that it brings with it. The Trump crime wave has been attributed to the proper person. The one not protecting our country and making it safe.”

[DoBW]

16. could be bogus

and may be up to something else

[tavernier]

19. This is an easy flip.

Trump was the one who told congress not to vote for bipartisan immigration bill… because it would hurt his election campaign. So any deaths that would have been avoided are on his hands.

[mnmoderatedem]

34. THIS!!!

The whole border narrative is easily countered, for this reason. in fact it's really a low hanging fruit.

[Johonny]

38. Murder is down under Biden, thats the flip

Murder was higher under Trump. Crime rate was higher under Trump. Trump only cares if an immigrant kills you. If an America kills you, that's making America great again apparently?

The flip is to take credit for lowering Trumps horrific crime rate.

[keithbvadu2]

20. Donald, these are the undocumented immigrants that you hired rather than pay Americans?

[KS Toronado]

26. If I was in Biden's shoes and tsf attacked me about a murder by a immigrant

I'd come back with " OK donnie you want to talk about murders? The FBI is currently talking to a whistle-blower
who has knowledge of you ordering the hit on Jeffery Epstein. Were you afraid of him dropping your name and
losing votes? Yes let's talk about murders, how many have you ordered?"

I'd get voters to thinking tsf has no problem killing those who stand in his way to fame & fortune.

Underhanded, yes but everyone on this side of the aisle are pedophile Fascists according to them, let's see
if they enjoy having lies told about them.

[Skittles]

27. meanwhile the daily carnage from mass shootings doesn't even register with repukes

fuck them ALL

[Blue Owl]

29. Joe's gonna wipe the floor with Captain Pantload

[Hieronymus Phact]

30. this ones easy

Republicans are completely responsible for killing the Bipartisan bill in congress to address the border crisis.
How much of an emergency can it be if they decided to do nothing when they had the chance?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

31. That's assuming that from the beginning of one sentence

to the end of the next, he can actually keep track of what he's saying.

[Emile]

37. On cue, Right Wing CSpan callers this morning all

talking about the killings these illegals are doing and blaming Biden.

Republicans are so ignorant.