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SMH
Billy bada** when he has a gun, but a normal citizen when he is unarmed, does anyone not see the irony in this?
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/
White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music By Scott Keyes on Nov 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Left: Jordan Russell Davis (1995-2012); Right: accused murderer Michael David Dunn Less than nine months after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in central Florida, another black teenage student was killed under suspicious circumstances.
Michael David Dunn, a 45-year-old vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach, was in Jacksonville this past weekend for his sons wedding. The Orlando Sentinel details what happened on Friday when Dunn, a gun collector, encountered Jordan Russell Davis, a student at nearby magnet school Samuel W. Wolfson High:
Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, [Jacksonville sheriff's Lt. Rob] Schoonover said.
Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt. Dunns attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.
Schoonover also said that there were words exchanged between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt threatened before opening fire.
According to his father Ron Davis, the teenager died in the arms of his friend in the car. Ron said his son was unarmed.
Dunn was arrested at his home on Saturday and charged with murder and attempted murder. He is being held without bail.
Daviss funeral will take place on Saturday, Dec. 1 and his parents plan to create a foundation for at risk students that suffer from tragedies, in his memory.
Since Dunn is claiming self-defense, Floridas Stand Your Ground law, which earned infamy after Trayvon Martins killing, could be at issue in this case. After Martins death, Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) appointed a task force to review the law that authorizes the unfettered use of deadly force in self-defense, but the panel didnt recommend any significant changes.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I guess we'll need to wait for all the "facts" before reaching a conclusion.
niyad
(112,424 posts)bride of trollzilla
(4 posts)Like..um...if we are allowed to tell anyone anything anymore. From most comments, people think he was looking for a confrontation when he had the audacity to ask the young man to turn down that horrific noise. I have been there. I used to live where subwoofers would rattle our windows! Total ignorance. But a car full of four young men might have posed a risk. We don't know if they were strapped, now do we? And he wanted to make sure that he got out of there alive!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)simply driving away was too much to ask of this responsible rocket scientist. He'll be lucky if he doesn't get the death penalty which he deserves.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)in multiple groups.
niyad
(112,424 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Still a'hurtin I see
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)the ones in LBN and RBKA are active...
but i'm pretty sure the case is cut-and-dried, barring some mystical shotgun magically appearing in the victim's truck after the police searched it...
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Police/AG are saying nothing of substance and the shooter is in jail.
I don't have a problem with FL SYG, since I understand what it is and is not legally. Most of the detractors are at a variety of levels of cluelessness.
Given this was a bad shooting and self defense is rejected, what will the detractors say? That it is a bad law even though the shooter was convicted.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)in the Florida Times-Union and the local ABC affiliate...This guy's attorney is a hoot...
I personally DO have a problem with the SYG and similar laws, since too many assclowns try to hide behind it when they do something stupid in a blind rage (and it's no coincidence that the victim turns out to be unarmed in so many cases)...Yeah, their defense eventually fails and they'll get convicted, but that won't bring the victim back, will it?
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Be interesting to see how this case is handled by the PD vs Zimmerman. How fast were lessons learned and propagated. While I understand that the officers may not see any signs, taking blood blood sample is cheap and can prevent questions later.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)since there are numerous witnesses...
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)If a bad shooting gets handled well, it should limit the noise being made about SYG when it is shown that it is not the "blood in the street" law that some have called it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and I have no doubt they will drop all their protests to the contrary...
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)and given that violence is an integral part of the human condition, that is the best we can do.
LeftinOH
(5,341 posts)has resulted in me being told to "f*ck off". Generally, people who are unconcerned about how much noise they make aren't going to respond positively to requests to lower the volume. As much as I've fantasized about blasting their ass to kingdom-come, I wouldn't do it (nor do I have the means to do so). There is an ongoing trend regarding young people and their loud music.. wherein requests to lower the volume end in violence - on the part of one or both parties involved.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Not that it doesn't happen every day.
Long time ago I once responded to a rude neighbor with bagpipe music. He kept it up late, and I started it early. Eventually he got the message.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)It certainly does not sound like self defense at this point, the required precursor to SYG.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)for the 3 minutes it took for his girl to run in and get a bottle of wine...It's not like he wasn't a teenager who liked to crank up the volume at some time in his life...
And based on what I've read of Dunn so far, I highly doubt he asked in a polite, respectful manner, too...I'm also betting Dunn wouldn't have said jack shit about the volume if he wasn't carrying...
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)and the murderer was in the front seat of his? If he was so 'threatened' why didn't he drive off?
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)great law, huh?
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)which it does not look like it was
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Using it as a false front to attack things you disagree with is disgusting
Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)Didn't know this was already posted.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Pay ProgressiveProfessor no mind...If the mods need to lock or merge it, they will...
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)It would be better if hosts could transfer threads and then combine but they cannot
JCMach1
(27,544 posts)being charged with 2nd degree murder according to local JAX stations...
That part is different from the Martin case at least.
Idiot with a gun, just the same.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)There are plenty of witnesses who saw the whole thing...
REP
(21,691 posts)This does not meet the SoP of this Forum. Locking.