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Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:06 PM Nov 2012

White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by REP (a host of the General Discussion forum).

SMH………Billy bada** when he has a gun, but a normal citizen when he is unarmed, does anyone not see the irony in this?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/


White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music By Scott Keyes on Nov 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm


Left: Jordan Russell Davis (1995-2012); Right: accused murderer Michael David Dunn Less than nine months after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in central Florida, another black teenage student was killed under suspicious circumstances.

Michael David Dunn, a 45-year-old vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach, was in Jacksonville this past weekend for his son’s wedding. The Orlando Sentinel details what happened on Friday when Dunn, a gun collector, encountered Jordan Russell Davis, a student at nearby magnet school Samuel W. Wolfson High:

Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, [Jacksonville sheriff's Lt. Rob] Schoonover said.
Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt. Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.

Schoonover also said that “there were words exchanged” between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt “threatened” before opening fire.

According to his father Ron Davis, the teenager died in the arms of his friend in the car. Ron said his son was unarmed.

Dunn was arrested at his home on Saturday and charged with murder and attempted murder. He is being held without bail.

Davis’s funeral will take place on Saturday, Dec. 1 and his parents plan to create a foundation “for at risk students that suffer from tragedies, in his memory.”

Since Dunn is claiming self-defense, Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which earned infamy after Trayvon Martin’s killing, could be at issue in this case. After Martin’s death, Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) appointed a task force to review the law that authorizes the unfettered use of deadly force in self-defense, but the panel didn’t recommend any significant changes.

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White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music (Original Post) Mr Dixon Nov 2012 OP
So-called "responsible gun owner" tragically kills unarmed teen who is sitting down. Jeez. Hoyt Nov 2012 #1
yes, a "responsible gun owner" who fled the scene, and even the county. niyad Nov 2012 #3
Yeah... bride of trollzilla Nov 2012 #11
I suppose cranking up the window or leftynyc Nov 2012 #23
Those interested in this may want to check out the multiple prior posts ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #2
as one who has missed those previous posts, I thank the OP niyad Nov 2012 #4
Despite your chagrin, it needs to be posted multiple times. Hoyt Nov 2012 #5
Chagrin? Hardly...many duplicate posts get this kind of response from me ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #7
well, the ones in GD got locked Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #9
Much better media blackout on this case ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #13
There's been a good amount of detail out Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #15
It will be interesting to see their statements and the results of the searches... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #20
along with the shooter's blood test for drugs/alcohol... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #22
I would put that under searches technically... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #27
This case will be MUCH faster and easier to handle Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #28
Hopefully true ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #29
Yeah, Davis' parents will sleep well knowing this law "works" Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #31
The law that works would be those against murder ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #32
The few times I've dared to ask people to turn down their "music" LeftinOH Nov 2012 #6
Where is my copy of the the 1812 Overture when I need it ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #8
Gundude should have put his range earplugs in rather than shooting unarmed kids. Hoyt Nov 2012 #17
Illegal to drive with earplugs or earphones ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #18
His car would have been parked at the time, so it would be perfectly legal Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #21
There is a whole lot of the story missing ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #25
You guys always have an excuse for shooting someone. You are kidding, right? Hoyt Nov 2012 #34
Yeah, it's not like Dunn couldn't have just dealt with it Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #12
Self Defense? when the victim was in the back seat of one car... WI_DEM Nov 2012 #10
stand-your-ground means he has no responsibility to flee if he feels threatened. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #30
SYG also requires that the threshold required for self defense be met ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #33
Makes little difference to the dead kid and his family. Hoyt Nov 2012 #35
Nothing every brings closure to the parents when a child is murdered ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #36
My Bad Mr Dixon Nov 2012 #14
Don't worry, more people need to see it Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #16
I find it unfriendly to fragment the discussion ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #19
Important to note the guy was arrested and 'currently' JCMach1 Nov 2012 #24
The other difference from the Martin case is Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #26
Locking REP Nov 2012 #37
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. So-called "responsible gun owner" tragically kills unarmed teen who is sitting down. Jeez.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:27 PM
Nov 2012

I guess we'll need to wait for all the "facts" before reaching a conclusion.

niyad

(112,424 posts)
3. yes, a "responsible gun owner" who fled the scene, and even the county.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:33 PM
Nov 2012
 
11. Yeah...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:14 PM
Nov 2012

Like..um...if we are allowed to tell anyone anything anymore. From most comments, people think he was looking for a confrontation when he had the audacity to ask the young man to turn down that horrific noise. I have been there. I used to live where subwoofers would rattle our windows! Total ignorance. But a car full of four young men might have posed a risk. We don't know if they were strapped, now do we? And he wanted to make sure that he got out of there alive!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. I suppose cranking up the window or
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:06 PM
Nov 2012

simply driving away was too much to ask of this responsible rocket scientist. He'll be lucky if he doesn't get the death penalty which he deserves.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
2. Those interested in this may want to check out the multiple prior posts
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:32 PM
Nov 2012

in multiple groups.

niyad

(112,424 posts)
4. as one who has missed those previous posts, I thank the OP
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:34 PM
Nov 2012
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. Despite your chagrin, it needs to be posted multiple times.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:36 PM
Nov 2012

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
7. Chagrin? Hardly...many duplicate posts get this kind of response from me
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:05 PM
Nov 2012

Still a'hurtin I see

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. well, the ones in GD got locked
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:08 PM
Nov 2012

the ones in LBN and RBKA are active...

but i'm pretty sure the case is cut-and-dried, barring some mystical shotgun magically appearing in the victim's truck after the police searched it...

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
13. Much better media blackout on this case
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nov 2012

Police/AG are saying nothing of substance and the shooter is in jail.

I don't have a problem with FL SYG, since I understand what it is and is not legally. Most of the detractors are at a variety of levels of cluelessness.

Given this was a bad shooting and self defense is rejected, what will the detractors say? That it is a bad law even though the shooter was convicted.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. There's been a good amount of detail out
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:22 PM
Nov 2012

in the Florida Times-Union and the local ABC affiliate...This guy's attorney is a hoot...

I personally DO have a problem with the SYG and similar laws, since too many assclowns try to hide behind it when they do something stupid in a blind rage (and it's no coincidence that the victim turns out to be unarmed in so many cases)...Yeah, their defense eventually fails and they'll get convicted, but that won't bring the victim back, will it?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
20. It will be interesting to see their statements and the results of the searches...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:49 PM
Nov 2012

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. along with the shooter's blood test for drugs/alcohol...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:02 PM
Nov 2012

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
27. I would put that under searches technically...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:19 PM
Nov 2012

Be interesting to see how this case is handled by the PD vs Zimmerman. How fast were lessons learned and propagated. While I understand that the officers may not see any signs, taking blood blood sample is cheap and can prevent questions later.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. This case will be MUCH faster and easier to handle
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:26 PM
Nov 2012

since there are numerous witnesses...

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
29. Hopefully true
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:28 PM
Nov 2012

If a bad shooting gets handled well, it should limit the noise being made about SYG when it is shown that it is not the "blood in the street" law that some have called it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
31. Yeah, Davis' parents will sleep well knowing this law "works"
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:39 PM
Nov 2012

and I have no doubt they will drop all their protests to the contrary...

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
32. The law that works would be those against murder
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:48 PM
Nov 2012

and given that violence is an integral part of the human condition, that is the best we can do.

LeftinOH

(5,341 posts)
6. The few times I've dared to ask people to turn down their "music"
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:53 PM
Nov 2012

has resulted in me being told to "f*ck off". Generally, people who are unconcerned about how much noise they make aren't going to respond positively to requests to lower the volume. As much as I've fantasized about blasting their ass to kingdom-come, I wouldn't do it (nor do I have the means to do so). There is an ongoing trend regarding young people and their loud music.. wherein requests to lower the volume end in violence - on the part of one or both parties involved.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
8. Where is my copy of the the 1812 Overture when I need it
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:07 PM
Nov 2012
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. Gundude should have put his range earplugs in rather than shooting unarmed kids.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:43 PM
Nov 2012

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
18. Illegal to drive with earplugs or earphones
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:46 PM
Nov 2012

Not that it doesn't happen every day.

Long time ago I once responded to a rude neighbor with bagpipe music. He kept it up late, and I started it early. Eventually he got the message.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. His car would have been parked at the time, so it would be perfectly legal
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nov 2012

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
25. There is a whole lot of the story missing
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:15 PM
Nov 2012

It certainly does not sound like self defense at this point, the required precursor to SYG.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
34. You guys always have an excuse for shooting someone. You are kidding, right?
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:51 PM
Nov 2012

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
12. Yeah, it's not like Dunn couldn't have just dealt with it
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:15 PM
Nov 2012

for the 3 minutes it took for his girl to run in and get a bottle of wine...It's not like he wasn't a teenager who liked to crank up the volume at some time in his life...

And based on what I've read of Dunn so far, I highly doubt he asked in a polite, respectful manner, too...I'm also betting Dunn wouldn't have said jack shit about the volume if he wasn't carrying...

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
10. Self Defense? when the victim was in the back seat of one car...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:10 PM
Nov 2012

and the murderer was in the front seat of his? If he was so 'threatened' why didn't he drive off?

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
30. stand-your-ground means he has no responsibility to flee if he feels threatened.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:32 PM
Nov 2012


great law, huh?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
33. SYG also requires that the threshold required for self defense be met
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:49 PM
Nov 2012

which it does not look like it was

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. Makes little difference to the dead kid and his family.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:52 PM
Nov 2012

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
36. Nothing every brings closure to the parents when a child is murdered
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:03 PM
Nov 2012

Using it as a false front to attack things you disagree with is disgusting

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
14. My Bad
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:22 PM
Nov 2012

Didn't know this was already posted.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
16. Don't worry, more people need to see it
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:30 PM
Nov 2012

Pay ProgressiveProfessor no mind...If the mods need to lock or merge it, they will...

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
19. I find it unfriendly to fragment the discussion
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:48 PM
Nov 2012

It would be better if hosts could transfer threads and then combine but they cannot

JCMach1

(27,544 posts)
24. Important to note the guy was arrested and 'currently'
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:15 PM
Nov 2012

being charged with 2nd degree murder according to local JAX stations...

That part is different from the Martin case at least.

Idiot with a gun, just the same.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
26. The other difference from the Martin case is
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:18 PM
Nov 2012

There are plenty of witnesses who saw the whole thing...

REP

(21,691 posts)
37. Locking
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:04 PM
Nov 2012

This does not meet the SoP of this Forum. Locking.

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