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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWent to Home Depot this weekend to return an incorrectly purchased item.
While I was waiting as the next person in the return line, I could hear the female cashier say to the customer:
"As long as Obama is President, he's going to audit everyone's tax return".
Within 30 seconds, she yelled "NEXT".
I walk up to her register, and tell her "You're wrong about Obama."
She replied "In what way".
I said "Obama never mentioned in his campaign or debates that the IRS was going to audit everyone's tax return".
She then said "Well, he's going to take our guns as well."
I repeated "Obama never mentioned in his campaign or debates that the he was going after your guns".
I then finished the conversation by telling her
"You might want to listen to something other than Fox or Limbaugh. You might learn something."
I will not allow stupid people to make blanket statements without calling them on their facts.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)It is really sad that people believe this stuff and the store should teach employees to not discuss politics.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)dchill
(38,433 posts)Businesses don't want to alienate half (or even 47%) of their customers. Not good business at all.
savannah43
(575 posts)The Home Depot Man Who Wants to Demolish Obama | Mother Jones
www.motherjones.com/politics/.../ken-langone-home-depot...
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I was at a truck stop getting gas, and a truck driver was in front of me in line ranting on and on about Obama. The clerk just let him rant and didn't respond at all. When he left the counter, I couldn't help myself and put my thumb to my nose and gave a wave at his back. The clerk laughed and did the same thing, but she said that she will not get into any discussion with a customer. I told her that I didn't blame her. But I think it was funny that she showed her disgust with what he had said.
raccoon
(31,105 posts)onethatcares
(16,161 posts)to return two hose bibs that weren't need on a job I was doing. I presented the receipt,
the hose bibs and the cashier asked me for a "government issued ID, like a drivers licence"
I balked and asked why, she told me it was new policy.So, to get my 12.00 back I had to show it.
I have been avoiding buying anything from there due to the way they treat their employees and that
just sealed the case.
Never did like that store very much anyway.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)It was for a larger item, though. I assumed it was a loss prevention measure. They wouldn't want people buying items and then stealing one of the same item to return it with the receipt. If the same person is constantly returning large ticket item, that could indicate theft. Doing it for $12 does seem a little silly.
LiberalFighter
(50,767 posts)You would think people would know what the difference is between stupidity and common sense. A red flag should be raised or considered when an item reaches a general level in cost. If I was a merchant and a customer was buying items that were on expensive side with a credit card I would exercise more due diligence in making sure the cc wasn't stolen per the cc's agreement.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They look for dropped cash reciepts from customers outside stores or go through garbage, steal the item and then come back to return it for cash. The amount didn't matter, they did enough to get what they wanted from many reciepts. Stores said that was why they cahnged their policy to insist on giving credits to buy merchandise, because the addicts didn't want that, they only wanted cash. They are also involved in ID theft in both crude and sophisticated ways. The store doesn't know who is doing what, so they treated everyone the same.
Tunkamerica
(4,444 posts)chillfactor
(7,572 posts)so if I have to jump through a hoop to get my money back..I jump through the loop...
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)I just heard a report the other day that more retailers will be requiring ID when you want to return something. I completely forget the companies they mentioned, except for Children's Place (clothing store for kids). They said one of the reasons is to track people who are repeatedly returning items.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)Lightbulb_on
(315 posts)Told em to skip it... Odd...
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)John Menard is an asshole of long standing. A billionaire, he got busted for sneaking toxic ash from treated lumber home to put into his home trash cans to be disposed of illegally in the landfill.
True story, well-known in his home base of Eau Claire.
chillfactor
(7,572 posts)I live in New Mexico now but I am a native Minnesotan. When my husband died, Menards cheated me out of his bonus check even though he had completed all of the paper work for the bonus he was entilted to but he died unexpectedly before the bonus checks were passed out. I truly HATE Menards.
hockeynut57
(230 posts)meynards made doing business very hard. my signficant other worked in outside sales for them and the jacked her badly. i'll drive 20 miiles out of my way not to shop at meynards
marybourg
(12,584 posts)so never heard of them, but while researching an item I wanted to buy, I found they were the only store who carried just what I wanted. In fact I found they actually manufactured the item. I didn't buy it, however because the reviews for them as a seller were so unremittingly bad that I can't imagine anyone ignoring such reviews and actually buying from them on line. You can fool all of the people. . . just so long.
MADem
(135,425 posts)In San Juan, the "returns" section cannot be accessed from inside the store. You have to go in a separate door OUTSIDE the store--makes it harder to sneak something that will set off the door alarms out to go "return" it after stealing it.
I returned something in SJ to a Home Depot a year or so ago--I did not have to show an ID, but I purchased the item with a credit card, so that may have made the difference.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There are a number of species of refund fraud.
Kookaburra
(2,649 posts)And it was a faulty hose that had a big crack in it when I bought it from them. I had the receipt that showed I had just purchased the dang thing about 2 hours previous to returning it, and you could clearly see the weak spot in the hose (not noticeable in the original packaging), and all I wanted was my money back so I could go somewhere else and get a new one, but they still made me show an i.d.
I don't like them, and only shop there if I have absolutely no other options.
demwing
(16,916 posts)then it shouldn't be required to reverse the same.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)a Big Box Retailer who's CEO spent millions on a Obama hate video the week before the elections. Geez,this Company has some of the worst customer service out there. Home Depot=TeaBilliy Home Center.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)They're not much better, but at least they know to shut up.
If Lowes open their mouth, it's bye bye Lowes, hello Ace Hardware.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Unlike a corporation, people who are part of a co-op actually OWN it, and make decisions about how it's run, and such. It's a totally different business model. The corporate model is dictatorial, and the cooperative model is democratic, and some might even say a bit socialist, only because co-ops aim for a consensus when making decisions.
Co-ops are much fairer to the consumer, and the employee/owner. I am quite surprised that they have not caught on in our great democracy more.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)Problem is we don't have credit with them, so it's either HD or Lowe's until my credit rating improves.
Then once it improves, I'm going to close both of those accounts and open Ace's credit.
renate
(13,776 posts)I love going to our local Ace. The people there are super helpful and friendly (although I'll admit that I've gotten very good advice when I've had to go to Home Depot, too). It's a zillionth the size of Home Depot but they have EVERYTHING.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)They pulled their advertising from a Muslim reality show that aired on TLC after being pressured from right wing groups.
JI7
(89,239 posts)than where they advertise.
lowes is republican also but they aren't as bad as home depot. i think home depot use to be better but they seemed to have gone down. at least from what i remember when i was younger.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Lowe's is Mormon owned.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)The person you are talking about is the co founder. The other co founder is Arthur Blank who also owns the Atlanta Falcons. He's also a big donor to Democrats.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)One is an anti-union libertarian type and the other is a liberal Democrat.
Cha
(296,775 posts)going on in our country, from fox, limbaugh, etc, etc etc!
aggiesal
(8,907 posts)I will continue to do this whenever I hear anyone bad mouthing
that good Irish boy O'Bama
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in my evening drive-time commute, I'm finding that the most wrong-headed talking points are not from fox (that at times pretends to be a news outlet, tied to facts - twisted as they may be) or rush (as he rarely makes specific, and therefore, verifiable statements); rather what we are hearing comes straight from the mouth of beck.
That said ... beck does a segment where he takes callers and asks them 4 questions, like: "Complete this phrase: 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of ... what?'" From my observation, approximately 60% of his listener get it wrong. Or, my favorite (for the responses): "Define Socialism." I have yet to hear any of his listeners come close to the actual definition.
I am becoming more and more convinced that beck listeners are, happily, ignorant and therefore, largely unreachable.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)The less they think, the better they feel. Upset their apple cart by dissecting their views logically, and they become indignant like an angry sullen drunk.
Recently during a conversation with my rightward turning friend, he began spouting ignorant talking points bashing Obama about the economy, raising his taxes, trying to cut social security and medicare blah blah; Not just half truths, but blatant falsehoods. Despite my irritation, I kept my cool and corrected him in a tactful way. ( He knows I'm much much more well read than he is ) I would think he'd be relieved to hear such things but he got really angry and defensive and almost spitted as he snarled "We'll he's gonna take your guns away, you just watch!". Like the clerk in the OP, the gun thing is their last refuge when they know they're wrong.
Interesting post script: This same person recently told me he was angry with his high school age son because his son says he's a bigot ( and he is ) and he snarled, "he's just a kid, he don't know dick about the world". I dryly asked him that would he be of the mindset that if his son was more worldly he would dislike black people as much as his father? We're drifting apart anyway, so I figured why just bottle it all up inside?
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)I don't know anything and you can't make me know anything. So there. you over-educated, over-informed, smart person.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)They'd rather drown with a good feeling than swim with an uncomfortable one.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)but I can tell without a doubt that there's as many that are devotees of FOX as anybody. IF you bother to try and correct some of these blithering dolts, they aren't gonna run to the computer to fact check you - they just conclude you're too stupid to tune to FOX.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Home Depot is dead to us.
Baitball Blogger
(46,676 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)performed by Gay OBGYNs from France.
After he takes the guns, obviously.
Sadiedog
(353 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)You cannot change their mind. What's the point? If someone actually believes that "Obama" is going to have the army go door to door to take their guns they obviously have no grasp of reality.
The only thing that can convince a person like that is TIME. And even that doesn't always work..
When Obama was elected in 08' a friend of mine ran out and maxed out his credit cards on guns and ammo because Obama was going to "make it illegal to sell guns". When this election started he brought up the whole gun thing again, when I mentioned he was still paying for the guns he bought 4 years ago and the fact that Obama didn't ban any sales or come and take his guns his reply was, "yeah but this time he doesn't need to get re-elected".
You cannot win.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Who actually believes that Obama's army is coming door to door to take your guns the chance is not "low" it's not existent. Even worse if you actually convince them that no one is coming to get their guns they will tell you that Republicans saved them in some back door deal. (Yeah I have heard this one a couple times).. There is no way to convince these people of anything other than "President Blackenstein is destroying America". This isn't just about political ideology, it's also about race.
Here's the thing, another DU'er posted today about getting their tire slashed by a panhandler who was ranting about Obama. And this person did nothing but tell them they had no change to spare, he wasn't inviting a confrontation.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I don't think it's a good idea to casually toss people aside.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Obviously we are talking about 2 different kinds of people here. Not everyone who voted for Romney is a fucking looney but hey if thats what you think then be my guest and confront the girl working the counter at Home Depot.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And according to you, it's not worth bothering increasing the size of our coalition. So we get to have relatively close elections from here on out. Great plan.
I've yet to be provided with an example otherwise.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Because you can't change their mind in that instant does not mean it's not worth it. If people called her on the BS every time she said it, she's start to realize it's BS.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Matter of fact it's been my experience that when you back them into a corner with facts they double down on the lunacy.
Funny, but since the election I have yet to see one far right lunatic actually admit that it's their policies that lost the election.
Rep Peter King actually said the Republicans have a MANDATE since they didn't lose the house.
I have seen Grover Norquist claim that they lost because Obama said Romney was a "poopyhead".
I have seen pundits and tea baggers claim that if they want to win more elections they need to move further to the right.
I saw this, said today by Ruben Navarrette a conservative latino columnist:
"When the media talk about the imminent arrival of comprehensive-immigration reform, this is what is generally assumed: Supposedly, the tuneup to our immigration system that President George W. Bush first talked about at the White House with Mexican President Vicente Fox in September 2001 is a done deal. Were told: Democrats want it, and Republicans need it.
The assessment is half right. The Republicans need it. But the Democrats dont really want it. Theyve never really wanted it. They only say they want it to trick Latinos and immigration-reform advocates into voting for them again and again.
Which is why reform probably wont happen. Well have a debate but no solution will emerge from it.
So why dont Democrats want comprehensive-immigration reform? For the same five reasons that Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid teamed up in 2006 and 2007 with the nativist wing of the Republican Party to kill bipartisan bills and, in 2010, helped scuttle the DREAM Act a mini-legalization program for college students and military."
Yes according to this nutcase Harry Reid killed immigration reform (while claiming to be for it so he could trick the latino voters) while the poor poor powerless Republicans couldn't do anything about it.
Go ahead, convince him of "reality".
The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)quakerboy
(13,915 posts)Maybe one of them hears that its not just USA VS Obama. Probably she doesn't follow the topic of the conversation at all, but she hears that there are two sides to the discussion, both held by people she has seen as a part of everyday life.
And maybe the clerk learns its not appropriate to start that conversation with customers, and is ever so slightly much less likely to spread the lie at work tomorrow.
And because there is no reason to shrink from confronting a lie. Why let it go unchallenged? What does that benefit anyone?
patrice
(47,992 posts)true, then, the cashier must have spoken out of a PRIVILEGE for him/herself to speak alone and no one else to speak. There is no such privilege. A right is not a right unless it applies to everyone. If the employees of Home Depot have privileges that the rest of us don't have, perhaps they should publish that fact so we can make appropriate shopping decisions accordingly.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)started this year's version of the "He's gonna take your guns!!1!1" story. They made a fortune off these suckers after the 2008 election because they all thought that (and how stupid do you have to be anyway, to run out and spend a bunch of money on guns if you really believe they're just going to be confiscated soon?). They would know the same damn fools would fall for it again even though the President hasn't made a single move to take anyone's guns from them.
LeftinOH
(5,351 posts)on their employees spouting political beliefs in front of customers. She's probably going to get in trouble doing that, if she hasn't already. Actually, that goes for any business where there is extensive client conact.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)nolaboy
(29 posts)vehicles 2005 or older. I asked them where they heard it. They told me someone told it to them. I told them before you believe everything you hear you need to do your research.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)that would be created if every single person's tax return were audited?
I bet the unemployment rate would drop to 3%.
Really, people never think through idiocy like this. I cannot actually make a sensible estimate of the number of new IRS employees that would be needed to audit everyone's tax returns, but the IRS would have to hire an awful lot of people.
Same with actually taking away everyone's guns. Now, I'm one of those who thinks we need to have much stricter gun laws, but to go out and take away all the guns? In some kind of fantasy world everyone would cheerfully turn in their guns -- wait! That's an excellent conspiracy idea -- they'll put something into the water that will make everyone want to turn in their guns. Yeah, that's it! Now why didn't we realize that before?
we can do it
(12,166 posts)Home Depot Founder Virulently Anti-Obama Could Race Be To Blame?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/15/home-depot-founder-virulently-anti-obama-could-race-be-to-blame/
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)always call people on their BS.
avebury
(10,951 posts)I was a victim of identity theft a couple of years ago. The person opened up a Lowe's card on line and picked up their items later on in the day and got away with it because I don't think that Lowe's adequately checked out their ID. I had no idea that it happened until I got the bill.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)avebury
(10,951 posts)up dealing with identity theft. It was a pain in the ass for months, even impacting me with Telecheck. I ended up even changing my driver license's number (which ended up helping me with Telecheck) since I could prove 100% that I didn't have that driver license number on the day the identity thief wrote a fraudulent check in my name.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)you email the HD corporate office. Explain the situation and that you found the cashier's comments objectionable. I would indicate that you intend to move your business to other Retailers. HD may be run by a Right Wing leaning whatever, but that said you are still the customer and you have a right to shop in peace in their store. If they choose to not provide you with the atmosphere you desire, you can go elsewhere and vote with your dollars. There is absolutely no reason that you as a customer need to be subjected to the political or other opinions of their employees. The cashier should be pleasant, competent and efficient any opinions should be kept to themselves.
Rider3
(919 posts)Good work!
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)She is doing the service desk at Home Depot for the same reason the person at Walmart is working there and getting the same treatment. Yet she is not smart enough to realize the reason she is there is partially because of the people who she supports politically.
There is no excuse for ignorance!
elleng
(130,714 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Very common among drug-users! Fish around in the trash for a receipt someone has thrown away, go into the store, find the identical item, then "return" it for cash. My neighbor the LAPD cop and another attorney friend tell me the tales. When I'm asked for ID if using a credit card, I always say, "Thank you." But agree about not shopping at Home Depot or any other big box store...especially Walmart.
NICO9000
(970 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I have a friend who is certifiably poor and works long hours at a shitty job. What's bizarre to me is that he has an extraordinarily parochial pro-business and anti-labor view though. Not just a "fellow traveler" but a categoric supporter of the 1 percent.
zwyziec
(173 posts)When we moved to Oregon we were looking for a TV. Went to Costco where a nice man in the TV department spent time with us. Finally he told us that we can trust him because he is "christian". We just about flipped out. We immediately went to the General Manager and told him that he had people evangelizing on the corporate sales floor and we were offended by his comment. We asked him if we could trust a man in the jewelry department because he was Jewish. Or how about a Muslim selling carpets.
He was quite irritated in hearing this and assured us that this is not Costco policy and that he will schedule an all employees meeting the next day before opening to review their corporate policy against this sort of religious promotion.
The guy didn't lost his job but I bet he never said that again to any customers.
I recommend to all that when they hear politics or religion spoken by employees of any corporation while at work, that you take it directly to the highest level in that organization and put your foot down so that can put their foot of that employees ass.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I suppose a "christian" selling televisions is equally stereotypical...in a postmodern sort of way...?
Getchyer "Hour of Power" right here~! "700 Club for EVERYone!!"
wisteria
(19,581 posts)No offense, but she seems to want to believe the worst about the President. These things weren't even up for discussion during the campaign.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)I have these kinds of confrontations frequently. I know I am not changing the minds of anyone who is rabidly anti-Obama. What it does accomplish is:
1) making them hesitate before spouting off in public the next time, &
2) gives courage to other people in earshot who are more timid than I am about expressing viewpoints.
I don't think letting things like this go unchallenged does anything to move us forward.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...their CEO came out against Obama before POs first election. I remember it well, as we had recently purchased a generator from there as we had a power outage the winter before. Haven't shopped there since. Isn't it against the law to ask for people's ID? I seem to remember being told by consumer groups to never give out that kind of info. Maybe it just referred to old folks who are scammed by phone?
Ace is the place....
brewens
(13,536 posts)makes me laugh. Okay, may be it's Newsmax or any one of the hate radio perverts she gets her information from. You can always tell when you've got a live one. My girlfriend is kind of a radical libertarian. She's told me on a number of occasions, "you have more conservative views than you think." I come back and ask her just how she thinks that happens? It's because I pay attention to numerous news sources, not just my favorite left-wing programs. Plus, I'm a working guy and can go along with actual legitimate small business type conservative views.
No Vested Interest
(5,163 posts)that many of these people get their political information and orders from their pastors.
They are low-information people who don't even likely listen to political pap or TV or radio.
They just get preached to on Sundays, Weds., and perhaps a few more days.
brewens
(13,536 posts)Of course the studies That show FOX viewers to be the most uninformed are just more librul lies to him. You're right about some of the evangelicals, and there are also those that only listen to family members that dominate them. We have no way to get through to those people.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)but I've yet to run into a working person who was that obtuse.
I do have an old school chum who is what most would regard as "middle class" who has overdosed on the koolaid, but I think that's down to being a resident of TX, in Tom Delay's former district, for the last three or four decades.
Brain rot owing to incessant propaganda, I'm thinking...
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)cordelia
(2,174 posts)The Wizard
(12,532 posts)like the ones mentioned here I ask if they've ever tried any of the wonderful Fleet products.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)And I have to very gently prod her to go check her facts
I love her dearly
But I can't take it...
TrueBlueinCO
(86 posts)I never heard him say that everyone's tax returns would be audited, but he most certainly did say that he supported an "assault weapon" ban, which is most certainly going after guns.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)I hope he goes after guns.
TrueBlueinCO
(86 posts)but you were wrong when you told that woman that he never said he would go after guns.
markmac
(12 posts)Do these "Obama is Comin' Fer Yer Guns" jackasses realize that under Bush one could not bring a firearm into a national park, but since Obama's been in, you CAN?? They all got suckered by the NRA into buying a bunch of ammo and guns they didn't need when in fact, if the big bad Gov DOES want to pry your guns from your cold dead hands, they will do EXACTLY that!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)aggiesal
(8,907 posts)If you think Obama is coming after your guns, tell me who is the only
president to actually take guns from you in the past 100 years?
It was George W. Idiot
He had Homeland Security hire Blackwater to patrol the streets of New Orleans
after Hurricane Katrina. Whenever they came across a citizen with any weapons
(including GUNS), the Blackwater personnel representing the government would
confiscate the weapons.
Why didn't we hear from these RW nuts jobs back then, when the village idiot
was in charge?
Because it's a racial thing!!!
Beartracks
(12,795 posts)What a stupid canard. They said that when he got elected the FIRST time, and they still have their guns now.
Stupid. Stupid. Rightwingers.
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HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)but I've walked out of a local chain store when the sales person presented his company card with a christian "fish" on it. I called management and told them that I was offended that the company was using religious symbolism as a sales tool. I then went to a locally-owned independent store and bought my new stove there. I also avoid businesses with the "fish" in the window.
sigmasix
(794 posts)I'm going to use this the next time I buy the wrong thing.
"I want to return this box of hostess cup cakes; they were incorrectly purchased"
Thank you for this.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)aggiesal
(8,907 posts)but I didn't realize it until I got home.
When I returned it, is when all the fun began.
If I had incorrectly purchased a box of hostess cup cakes, I'd
find a way to eat them, and not return them at all!!!
murielm99
(30,712 posts)I just had a run-in with one in the grocery store.
Good for you for correcting her. We all need to do that.
bucolic_frolic
(43,027 posts)Should alert the manager. Politics is bad for business because you alienate
about half the customers.
bayareaboy
(793 posts)Walk into a Harbor Freight store and see what happens. It seems like about 90% of the folks shopping there are rejects from some new cable program like "I am a Tea Party guy and don't give a shit". They seem to be really vociferous when there more of them. So they buy tools from China then try to bring them back when they don't perform like U S tools.
Up here in Placer County Ca, most of the progressives go to Home Depot or Loews enjoy the banter of the wing-nuts, either customer or staff and go back home to work on our homes.
spedtr90
(719 posts)When a friend on the insurance program for military retirees was shocked to pay a huge amount for a prescription, he was told "You can thank Obamacare". Friend strongly dislikes Obama and had something new to grumble about.
Suggested he look it up. Turns out Tricare is not affected by the ACA. Turned out the pharmacist made a mistake and my friend got some money back.
He'll still grumble, but reality has a tiny foothold...
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)that many on the right have been indoctrinated into a republican induced coma of ignorance. The right wing has had years of mis-information to feed to their sheep. They have went too far in made up land that now there is a problem with getting people back to reality in the USA. Now when they want their people to get along they can't. they have had years of lies to wipe out of their brains. And if you have centered everything you know on falsehoods, then how are you to make a sound rational judgment when in your irrational world being reasonable doesn't exist. For years the right wing has been feeding into the fears of innocent Americans. Americans who have been no further than their community church. Americans who when they have the friendly barbecue the only people that are there look like them. They don't have any friends who are of another cultural background. they rely on Faux,Beck,Hannity, O'Reily to give them the world views. Instead of learning the world for themselves.
Correcting someone about being mis-informed, is cool with me. I always ask questions like where did you get your information from. this is usually after I find out their profession. Had a teacher once in the doctor's office talking about killing grandma and death panels back during the health care debates. I laughed in her face when she told me she was a teacher. She got red and tried to cop an attitude because she couldn't see anything funny. When she asked what was so funny, I asked her another question. Did you fact check? she said no she heard it on the news. I asked did you fact check them? I just kept laughing. Then I told her that it was the funniest thing that she was an educator. An educator who obviously doesn't take her own advice she probably gives to students about researching information for reports and classroom presentations. I continued laughing and said "Girl you crack me up! Killing Grandma, death Panels, Funniest shit I ever heard." Left out the office bellowing laughter and holding my stomach. And kept repeating what she said. and kept it up until the elevator doors closed.
aggiesal
(8,907 posts)Left her with a genuine sense of insecurity.
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)satisfaction of knowing where she got her information from. I knew it was Faux News. I knew it was better for her to think that I thought she was joking than to tell Ms. Educator she wasn't so educated. Funny we as americans have some of the most ignorant people that have been chosen as leaders. From ridiculous Presidents to teachers. Just promise me one thing, If I ever suddenly cross over to Right wing Imagination Land, SLAP ME!!!!!!!!!!!
sickwidit
(19 posts)placed all my items on her counter and said "you know what, since Obama is going to audit my tax returns, I better get home and check them before he does. Here, you can put all of these items back." I would have then found the nearest manager and told them that their employee warned me about Obama and my tax return, and could he/she point me to the nearest Lowes/Ace Hardware.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Also faith & hope that one more "small" rational voice matters.
THANK! you, most sincerely, aggiesal. You made a good start to my day!
Carolina
(6,960 posts)accept facts that confront their view of reality.
Though I applaud your efforts, I think I would have requested that a manager come to the check-out. Then, in dumb clerk's presence, I would have alerted on her behavior, saying that the election proved that there is intelligent majority in the nation -- perhaps cowed and silent in some areas (red states) -- and because of her rude interjection of ignorance and hate into my transaction, I would be taking my MONEY elsewhere.
I would then have left the store and all the intended purchases cluttering the counter!
harun
(11,348 posts)hasn't done anything to audit more tax returns or take away people guns.
That would be the reality though, and they don't do so good with reality.
What really get's me worked up about their kind of thinking and world view is the lack of any, I mean ANY critical thought. Politicians are people just like everyone else. If they don't have anything to gain from doing something, you know what? They probably aren't going to do it. They kind of have plenty of other things to do.
There are no shortage of examples of B*sh not doing things for the same reason. It's how the system works. If they want to actually talk about real issues this country would do so much better. But instead they are stuck on fairy tales and non-truths.
*sigh*
i am thee modren man
(10 posts)Paubot (LOL--now THAT'S a mouthful!), let me 'splain something to you: according to infowars (yeah, it's Alex Jones, but he links legit news articles with this stuff), the Social Security Admin. and other agencies have ordered hundreds of thousands of HOLLOW BULLETS. There are other indications that the government is preparing for civil unrest.
So before you look down on others with a smug glance, keep that mind of yours open. 2012 ain't done with us yet. A psychic predicted a major Left Coast earthquake in the near future. Who knows how long the Internets will be up? All the iZombies will totally, like, freak if they can't glue their eyes to those tiny screens 24/7...
aggiesal
(8,907 posts)Did you read the linked articles?
What people like Alex Jones like to do, is take some fact with a modicum of truth
and then paint everything with that. And since society is too lazy to fact check
anything he writes, we just take it as gospel truth.
So, in these linked articles, when were the Hollow Bullets purchased?
Where they purchased 50 years ago, or last week.
I'm sure you've heard of the concentration camps that have been erected
all over the US. These were built to house all those civil unruly citizens, yet
these were built over a decade ago, when GW Idiot was in charge. And
they're still standing empty.
jalAbi
(36 posts)must be in such distress at the thought! If only they bothered to be informed.
liberalmuse
(18,671 posts)Thank you!