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Whovian

(2,866 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:51 PM Nov 2012

Want to see the real welfare queen?




“The Democratic Staff of the Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that one 200-person Wal-Mart store may result in a cost to federal taxpayers of $420,750 per year – about $2,103 per employee. Specifically, the low wages result in the following additional public costs being passed along to taxpayers:

$36,000 a year for free and reduced lunches for just 50 qualifying Wal-Mart families.
$42,000 a year for Section 8 housing assistance, assuming 3 percent of the store employees qualify for such assistance, at $6,700 per family.
$125,000 a year for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, assuming 50 employees are heads of household with a child and 50 are married with two children.
$100,000 a year for the additional Title I expenses, assuming 50 Wal-Mart families qualify with an average of 2 children.
$108,000 a year for the additional federal health care costs of moving into state children’s health insurance programs (S-CHIP), assuming 30 employees with an average of two children qualify.
$9,750 a year for the additional costs for low income energy assistance.”

from http://underthemountainbunker.com/2012/02/25/walmart-costs-taxpayers-1557000000-the-conservative-circle-of-life/

Also see
http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/2004/Wal-Mart-Labor-Record16feb04.htm

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Want to see the real welfare queen? (Original Post) Whovian Nov 2012 OP
K&R! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #1
K&R Tikki Nov 2012 #2
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #3
Boy Howdy.. ain't it the truth! . . . n/t annabanana Nov 2012 #4
+1 freshwest Nov 2012 #12
They should come with a warning label... littlemissmartypants Nov 2012 #5
the Waltons are living high on the hog Terra Alta Nov 2012 #24
It is sickening that we dotymed Nov 2012 #67
Greedy fucking pigs. tabasco Nov 2012 #6
not destroyed, just unionized, and made to treat their associates fairly. Terra Alta Nov 2012 #25
In other words, tabasco Nov 2012 #39
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #7
I wish the graphic used a photo of a member of the Walton family Matariki Nov 2012 #8
You're right. Isn't my graphic but it's still effective. Whovian Nov 2012 #10
A picture of the Waltons with a title about real corporate welfare provided by taxpayers would be DhhD Nov 2012 #63
K&R 99Forever Nov 2012 #9
Forgot another cost BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #11
From the government? Got a link to show how they get this? freshwest Nov 2012 #13
You would have to read the tax code BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #69
In every community? Is this the case where you live, that you have that figure? freshwest Nov 2012 #71
SCCIALISM mtasselin Nov 2012 #34
scumbag pmdsyr32 Nov 2012 #14
Sure, there's still almost as many Republicons in Congress as before the election. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #15
Spreading these types of messages can only help... Dakota Flint Nov 2012 #20
This is what the union should be blastsing...over and over and over. Put it on picket signs. libdem4life Nov 2012 #16
But, but...they're job creators!? livingonearth Nov 2012 #17
kick Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #18
While the 4 Waltons are worth $110 billion. ErikJ Nov 2012 #19
k+r! TeamPooka Nov 2012 #21
I work for Wal-mart and know of several co-workers who are on some type of government assistance. Terra Alta Nov 2012 #22
K&R - fuck WalMart - buy local. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #23
kickity kick & recity reck n/t calikid Nov 2012 #26
This is a part of corporate welfare the GOP does not want to talk about. Thinkingabout Nov 2012 #27
They are the ultimate cons in our day and age. Whovian Nov 2012 #29
Absofuckinlutely! ReRe Nov 2012 #28
Yup the biggest welfare queens of them all- Walmart and big oil. Initech Nov 2012 #35
Walmart does absolutely NOTHING for its Employees. NOTHING benld74 Nov 2012 #30
FuckinA progressoid Nov 2012 #31
I love how DU puts the truth out there. luv_mykatz Nov 2012 #32
Here in Connecticut... George II Nov 2012 #33
"Associate" Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 #36
Great point! maddiemom Nov 2012 #50
Yeah I 've always hated that particular "customer service" term... Volaris Nov 2012 #57
Kick valerief Nov 2012 #37
I hate Wal-Mart too but $1.5 billion is far less than the US taxes it pays banned from Kos Nov 2012 #38
Don't get upset until it's a TOTAL liability? aquart Nov 2012 #68
fuck walmart mcgarry50 Nov 2012 #40
Conservatives don't understand the term "working poor" mountain grammy Nov 2012 #41
Now *that's* socialism. Brigid Nov 2012 #42
We call Walmart by another title IrishAle Nov 2012 #43
K&R Fumesucker Nov 2012 #44
K&R aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #45
And yet each one of those Walton heirs are worth a couple billion .... LynneSin Nov 2012 #46
A couple billion? Try $26 Billion EACH - Their combined wealth is more than the bottom 40% of the US TexasBushwhacker Nov 2012 #48
The source is a 2004 study, the figure now is $2.66 Billion per year TexasBushwhacker Nov 2012 #47
Thanks a lot, BullyMart! SoapBox Nov 2012 #49
K & R dchill Nov 2012 #51
wow Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #52
My Thanksgiving: A Turkey Sandwich at Walmart Milliesmom Nov 2012 #53
Greed kills amuse bouche Nov 2012 #54
More proof that Walmart's "low prices" cost us all, even those of us that beac Nov 2012 #55
Bastards rks306 Nov 2012 #56
Amazing biz plan: privatize profits, socialize expenses. Beartracks Nov 2012 #58
I'm happy to find this Victor_c3 Nov 2012 #59
And don't forget the elephant in the room: unhappycamper Nov 2012 #60
Learn from a master MichaelMcGuire Nov 2012 #61
beautiful. that's the way to look at these things. tomp Nov 2012 #62
Here is another one, opulently supported by millions of taxpayers Coyotl Nov 2012 #64
K&R UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #65
k and r--thanks for the info, and links--this needs to go on fb, and be spread as far as possible. niyad Nov 2012 #66
Why aren't the Republicans talking about this? Sucking on the government teat! yardwork Nov 2012 #70

littlemissmartypants

(22,572 posts)
5. They should come with a warning label...
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:02 PM
Nov 2012

"We are not your Mama, John Boy." and here is the new picture of Walton's Mountain...

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
24. the Waltons are living high on the hog
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:20 PM
Nov 2012

while many of the people who work for them are struggling to get by. They could all afford to lose a couple billion so their associates can make ends meet.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
67. It is sickening that we
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:42 PM
Nov 2012

subsidize wal-mart employees because their greedy owners are able to get by with paying them shit wages. Actually, we are paying the walton family billion$ to pay people slave wages, just in a round-a-bout way.
The 1% are leeches on society...they get their blood any way they can.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
25. not destroyed, just unionized, and made to treat their associates fairly.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:24 PM
Nov 2012

I'm thankful I work at a pretty good store, with a decent manager who actually cares about his associates. Many Wal-mart associates aren't so lucky, and certainly the people at the very top, such as the Waltons, Mike Duke, etc. need to be knocked down a peg or two.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
8. I wish the graphic used a photo of a member of the Walton family
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:08 PM
Nov 2012

instead of some poor Wal-Mart worker, or stock photo actress.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
63. A picture of the Waltons with a title about real corporate welfare provided by taxpayers would be
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:37 AM
Nov 2012

very good also. Maybe a double tile.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. From the government? Got a link to show how they get this?
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:27 PM
Nov 2012

It seems that $1M per store would be in their own corporate insurance policy, and not involve government at all.

A link to that data will show what a poor citizen WalMart really is.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
71. In every community? Is this the case where you live, that you have that figure?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:14 PM
Nov 2012

If you heard this somewhere that can't be sourced, fine. I just want to use it in arguments on this, and 'every store and a million 'will get me shot down. Some places I post on the net will delete any claims not written as anecdotal, if they are not linked.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
15. Sure, there's still almost as many Republicons in Congress as before the election.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:43 PM
Nov 2012

Hopefully the RepubliCONs will fup even more for 2014.

 

Dakota Flint

(219 posts)
20. Spreading these types of messages can only help...
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:12 PM
Nov 2012

get rid of these greed poisoned obstructionists in both the House and Senate.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
16. This is what the union should be blastsing...over and over and over. Put it on picket signs.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:07 PM
Nov 2012

Facebook. Tweets. "Here's why to celebrate Small Business Saturday." It's not partisan...it's not "labor propaganda"...it's not fair.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
22. I work for Wal-mart and know of several co-workers who are on some type of government assistance.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:17 PM
Nov 2012

I know several others who have tried to get EBT or other types of government assistance but are told they make too much money, at Wal-mart of all places, yet they are still struggling to make ends meet. Wal-mart really needs to pay their associates a living wage. I've been working for them for quite a while and I do well but I worry about some of my co-workers who are struggling, especially the ones with young children.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. This is a part of corporate welfare the GOP does not want to talk about.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:37 PM
Nov 2012

I shop at Walmart and have family members working there. It I'd wrong for corporations to pay so low and then encourage their employees to seek government assistance when they make big profits. WalMart, stop living off of the tax payers.

 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
29. They are the ultimate cons in our day and age.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:01 PM
Nov 2012

They have armies of lawyers to exploit every legal loophole for the advancement of profit and their own gain rather than any concern for their employees.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
28. Absofuckinlutely!
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:56 PM
Nov 2012
K&R

The biggest corporate Welfare Queen of all time. Dayaaaamm! DU... if we could...we would go to DC and kick some proverbial rear-ends and get this country straightened out in one day. Talk about devil-in-the-details.... right there's some serious details!

Initech

(100,038 posts)
35. Yup the biggest welfare queens of them all- Walmart and big oil.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:24 PM
Nov 2012

If we could get rid of their subsidies we could make a huge dent in the budget.

luv_mykatz

(441 posts)
32. I love how DU puts the truth out there.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:08 PM
Nov 2012

Thank you for posting this information.

Am forwarding to my facebook page.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Here in Connecticut...
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

...Walmart actually conducts TRAINING CLASSES for employees on how to get benefits from the state (which they don't give to their employees)

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
36. "Associate"
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:34 PM
Nov 2012

This term that Walmart uses to identify its' employees has always bothered me. If you're an "associate" in a law firm or p.r. firm or newspaper/magazine outlet, or justice or medical office or in sales....you sure as hell ain't making minimum wage with no benefits. An "associate" in any other work place has a say and a stake in the overall business and are traditionally compensated. Walmart workers are either clerks, cashiers, stockers, security, door-greeters or low-level managers, period. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig. Shameful and disgraceful.

K&R

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
50. Great point!
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:57 PM
Nov 2012

Calling underpaid employees "associates" is supposed to lend dignity to their jobs. Just another one of the clever semantic games. (like "job creators&quot that right winger PTB have been using to fool us average suckers. At last, it seems, we're catching on.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
57. Yeah I 've always hated that particular "customer service" term...
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:55 AM
Nov 2012

I guess it reads better on a nametag than "corporate's bitch"...and the only reason ANYONE needs a nametag is so the ALWAYS RIGHT customer knows exactly who to try and get fired if you don't go out of your way to be their bootlicker.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
68. Don't get upset until it's a TOTAL liability?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:44 PM
Nov 2012

Parasite Walmart should not be ANY kind of liability. Nor should any corporation. After all, THEY built it.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
41. Conservatives don't understand the term "working poor"
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:32 PM
Nov 2012

"anyone who wants to work can work, and succeed." The great American lie.. 2 full time minimum wage jobs won't even yeild $2000/month after taxes.. yes, Mittens, you know, taxes! the ones paid by the worthless 47%

IrishAle

(62 posts)
43. We call Walmart by another title
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:20 PM
Nov 2012

We call Walmart - The Local Chinese Trade Embassy here. I've even convinced two of my teabagger ultra conservative brothers to stop trading with them and to support local or at the very least regional retail stores.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
46. And yet each one of those Walton heirs are worth a couple billion ....
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:53 PM
Nov 2012

EACH!!!!!!

Something isn't right that the Walton heirs live high on the hog while hundred of thousand s of their employees struggle.

And it's not like people want to work for Walmart. It's not something we put in our high yearbooks as our dream job. But Walmart has destroyed the middle class in order to sell cheap crap made in china to the masses.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,142 posts)
47. The source is a 2004 study, the figure now is $2.66 Billion per year
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:57 PM
Nov 2012

I don't see food stamps or Medicaid mentioned in the study, plus the cost of uninsured emergency room visits or state and county health programs for low income people. If Walmart was struggling I could understand, maybe, but they aren't. They never have been.

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
53. My Thanksgiving: A Turkey Sandwich at Walmart
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:55 AM
Nov 2012

I did not spend Thanksgiving evening with my wife and my five children. I spent it, instead, handing out turkey sandwiches to workers in Walmart. And showing my support for one brave soul who walked off the job in protest against exploitation.

Walmart "associates" make an average of just more than $10 an hour. That means that if they manage to get a full 40 hours a week -- and many don't -- they get paid $1,700 a month, before taxes. Somehow, that is supposed to pay for their food, shelter, clothing and medical care, and that of their children. Quite a trick.

In state after state, the largest group of Medicaid recipients is Walmart employees. I'm sure that the same thing is true of food stamp recipients. Each Walmart "associate" costs the taxpayers an average of more than $1,000 in public assistance.
Read more at.........

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/walmart-black-friday-_b_2185675.html

beac

(9,992 posts)
55. More proof that Walmart's "low prices" cost us all, even those of us that
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:41 AM
Nov 2012

never set foot in one.

Thanks for the thread and the links.

rks306

(116 posts)
56. Bastards
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:53 AM
Nov 2012

What me cost the government money? Truely the Walmart family could afford to pay their employees better and give them better benefits. If I win the NC lottery $425 million I would not become a republican.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
58. Amazing biz plan: privatize profits, socialize expenses.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 04:00 AM
Nov 2012

And by "amazing" I mean < >amazing</ >

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Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
59. I'm happy to find this
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 05:07 AM
Nov 2012

I was making the argument a few days ago that we subsidize the low wages that Walmart pays its employees with our tax dollars and benefits. Now I actually have some numbers and facts to back that up with.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't want Walmart employees (or other people in need) to get assistance that they need, but I'd rather see them get paid $12 an hour instead of $8.08 (the average pay a Walmart employee receives) and maybe not need as much help.

The difference between two parents working 40 hours a week at $8 an hour and two parents working that same amount at $12 an hour is $32k a year and $48k a year - almost a livable income (You won't make it too far on $48k a year living outside of NYC).

I don't know what it would mean to the prices of cheap goods that we are accustomed to, but I wonder how much a move to increase minimum wage that drastically would impact our economy.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
62. beautiful. that's the way to look at these things.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:16 AM
Nov 2012

so how many billions are they making per year, and what would it cost them to eliminate this unnecessary burden on the system?

niyad

(113,055 posts)
66. k and r--thanks for the info, and links--this needs to go on fb, and be spread as far as possible.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:04 PM
Nov 2012
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