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In It to Win It

(7,627 posts)
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 03:04 PM Oct 1

Pregnant with no OB-GYNs around: Maternity care became a casualty of Idaho's abortion ban

Pregnant with no OB-GYNs around: Maternity care became a casualty of Idaho's abortion ban


If you’re pregnant in Bonner County, Idaho, you’ll likely spend a lot of time on Route 95.

Bonner General Health, a 25-bed hospital, discontinued obstetrics, labor and delivery services this year. So for residents, Route 95 is the way to the closest in-state hospital with obstetrics care, which is at least an hour’s drive south — or longer in the snowy winter.

The hospital, which staffed the county’s only OB-GYNs, cited the state’s “legal and political climate” as one of the reasons it shuttered the department. Abortion has been banned in Idaho, with few exceptions, since August 2022.

Laura Olin, 32, lives in the city of Sandpoint, where Bonner General is, and gave birth to her twin boys at the hospital in 2020. When she became pregnant again, she opted to deliver her daughter in Spokane, Washington — 90 minutes away — in August.

As the reality of doing the drive while in labor set in, she said, “it was very scary those last few weeks of pregnancy.”

It made her think differently about her previous birth experience, Olin added. “To go into labor at home and arrive at the hospital five minutes later was a blessing that I didn’t know was a blessing,” she said.

The four OB-GYNs who previously worked at Bonner General, meanwhile, have left Idaho to practice in states where abortion is legal. All four told NBC News that the state’s ban contributed to their decisions to move.

As a whole, the situation has left mothers-to-be in Bonner County to contend with an unexpected consequence of their state’s abortion policy: reduced access to medical care for women whose pregnancies are very much wanted.
Pregnant with no OB-GYNs around: Maternity care became a casualty of Idaho's abortion ban (Original Post) In It to Win It Oct 1 OP
I feel sorry for the women... Happy Hoosier Oct 1 #1
Me too. Demobrat Oct 1 #7
.... Diamond_Dog Oct 1 #2
They thought only the sluts would be affected. Demobrat Oct 1 #5
LMAO! pandr32 Oct 1 #14
sex is for pleasure and has nothing to do with a gawd kiri Oct 1 #8
Yes. They are sickos. Diamond_Dog Oct 1 #9
Most people who are opposed to abortion don't bother to inform themselves of the facts. ShazzieB Oct 1 #22
They just wanted to "save the babies" Iris Oct 1 #31
I had an unexpectedly quick labor with my second child. ALBliberal Oct 1 #3
Women in Idaho are left without maternal care because the state's abortion ban LetMyPeopleVote Oct 1 #4
The Farce News effect peppertree Oct 1 #16
I've been predicting this. And other medical professions will abandon these states. erronis Oct 1 #6
How many of them supported these laws or politicians who passed the laws. onecaliberal Oct 1 #10
Womenfolk better get the hell out of idaho Marthe48 Oct 1 #11
Women owe them a living and they owe them sex. Demobrat Oct 1 #23
They can kiss my horse Marthe48 Oct 1 #24
Guess they forgot they were women. Thinking of themselves as somehow "special". Different. Solly Mack Oct 1 #12
Dear Republican-Voting Women of Idaho: Sky Jewels Oct 1 #13
Dear Idaho newlyweds: Give up on the idea of a baby - or move out of state. peppertree Oct 1 #15
The corner of KY I come from has similar issues KentuckyWoman Oct 1 #17
How any woman can vote for a Republican boggles the mind. How any Republican with a wife, LoisB Oct 1 #18
Not really. Demobrat Oct 1 #25
"...for women whose pregnancies are very much wanted." Tansy_Gold Oct 1 #19
Women at Bonner have become a casualty of Idaho woman controllers and haters. ancianita Oct 1 #20
I'm done feeling sorry for them and the situation they find themselves in. Raftergirl Oct 1 #21
FAFO. roamer65 Oct 1 #26
If I were a married man, had a couple of kids and lived in Idaho. roamer65 Oct 1 #27
You would. Demobrat Oct 1 #30
Very true. roamer65 Oct 1 #32
And those fleeing OB-GYNs take their knowledge regarding other medical issues with them Demovictory9 Oct 1 #28
She will drive to a blue state for birth care..irony Demovictory9 Oct 1 #29
So women should leave Idaho. I sure as F would have. Husband could come along or not, I Maru Kitteh Oct 1 #33

Demobrat

(8,678 posts)
7. Me too.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 04:40 PM
Oct 1

The ones who did, well, lie down with dogs etc. But the ones who didn’t are paying a heavy price.

Diamond_Dog

(30,092 posts)
2. ....
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 03:28 PM
Oct 1

“I definitely have patients that I know would’ve been in support of these laws and now are very surprised at the downstream effects,” she said.

Just what in the hell did they expect? Did they think about the ill and dangerous effects of this law at all? Mind blowing.

kiri

(754 posts)
8. sex is for pleasure and has nothing to do with a gawd
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 04:49 PM
Oct 1

I am eternally dismayed that the anti-abortion cult has this mind-set: "It's your fault for having sex." They simply cannot abide that a woman might enjoy sex and enjoy pleasure with a partner. Getting pregnant makes you a 'slut'.

I used to walk or bicyle past a PP clinic every day on my way to work, in New Hampshire. Occasionally I would pause to listen to the antis. There was no real concern about the fetus. Their whole shtick was "You played, now you pay." Totally ugly and hateful towards females.
.

Diamond_Dog

(30,092 posts)
9. Yes. They are sickos.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 04:54 PM
Oct 1

In their fevered brains, becoming pregnant is punishment for the sin the woman committed and it must be carried out at all costs. It’s all about punishment and humiliation, not about the baby at all.

ShazzieB

(14,506 posts)
22. Most people who are opposed to abortion don't bother to inform themselves of the facts.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 06:16 PM
Oct 1

Their thinking runs as follows: Abortion BAD --> must get rid of bad things --> must ban abortion.

These people firmly believe that abortion = "killing babies," and they don't think beyond that. Furthermore, they believe that the only women who get abortions are "sluts" who get pregnant through "illicit" (i.e., out of wedlock) sex, so an abortion ban will only affect those sluts, who obviously deserve whatever happens to them. /s

Based on these simplistic and poorly informed assumptions, they enthusiastically support and vote for politicians who think the same way. The possible "downstream effects" never occur to them, because they have no idea there could be any, much less what those effects might be.They can't see anything beyond "saving the babies." Such things as tubal pregnancies, incomplete miscarriages, and prenatal diagnosis of catastrophic, incompatible with life, birth defects are all beyond their knowledge or imaginings, as are the ramifications of being a practicing OB/GYN in a state where abortion is banned or even criminalized and any exceptions are so poorly defined that they might as well not exist.

TL/dr: They don't know about the ill and dangerous effects of these laws, and they're dumb to know that they don't know.

ALBliberal

(2,228 posts)
3. I had an unexpectedly quick labor with my second child.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 04:07 PM
Oct 1

Half hour drive felt way too far. And an hour might have had me giving birth in the car. And can you imagine the panic driving on icy roads. This whole thing is a horrible affront to women, babies, and good doctors that want to provide standard of care.

erronis

(14,191 posts)
6. I've been predicting this. And other medical professions will abandon these states.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 04:39 PM
Oct 1

The birth-to-death cycle includes many practitioners and specialists.

Losing gynecologists, obstetricians - you're going to lose pediatricians and others that specialize in early child care.

Family doctors or "primary care practitioners" (PCP) won't be able to pick up the burden. And in the 15 minute corporate-dictated world, they can't do a good job.

Basically we're going to end up with huge swaths of the US without any care whatsoever.

I think this is the (r)epuglicon wet dream.

Why?

onecaliberal

(31,615 posts)
10. How many of them supported these laws or politicians who passed the laws.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:05 PM
Oct 1

Maybe people will start to pay attention to individuals who mean to do harm instead of serve the public.

Marthe48

(15,570 posts)
11. Womenfolk better get the hell out of idaho
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:16 PM
Oct 1

tx, al, ar, ky, la, mo, ok, sd, tn, all states that have total bans on abortions, with no exceptions for rape and incest, or health. And some of the states listed also allow for imprisonment of anyone who performs an abortion. Why do they hate women? Their mothers, aunts, sisters, cousins?

Solly Mack

(90,639 posts)
12. Guess they forgot they were women. Thinking of themselves as somehow "special". Different.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:20 PM
Oct 1
“I definitely have patients that I know would’ve been in support of these laws and now are very surprised at the downstream effects,” she said.



Anti-woman means anti-all women.

Believing that because you're carrying a pregnancy to term means the hate against women can't touch you is just plain stupid.

Pregnancy is a medical condition - with everything that comes with having a medical condition. Good outcomes, bad outcomes, and all the dangers in between.





Sky Jewels

(6,263 posts)
13. Dear Republican-Voting Women of Idaho:
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:20 PM
Oct 1

Welcome to your Christian Taliban paradise! You are truly reaping the glorious consequences of godly life in Gilead. Good luck out there!

P.S.: You'd better remember to pray to that merciful All-Powerful Male Sky Wizard of yours, God, that you survive all your pregnancies and don't leave any existing children motherless. I'm sure God will listen! He's a real peach and never causes or allows any horrors or cruelty whatsoever ... well, except for famines, wars, natural disasters, diseases, fatal accidents, genocides, slaveries, etc., etc.

peppertree

(21,114 posts)
15. Dear Idaho newlyweds: Give up on the idea of a baby - or move out of state.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:35 PM
Oct 1

For your own sakes - and your baby's.

KentuckyWoman

(6,598 posts)
17. The corner of KY I come from has similar issues
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:42 PM
Oct 1

Pikeville Medical Center does still have OB services but good luck getting an appointment. Doctors are fleeing the state and finding one willing to go all the way out there is getting far more difficult.

As a result young couples and families are also leaving the area in search of greener pastures.

LoisB

(6,508 posts)
18. How any woman can vote for a Republican boggles the mind. How any Republican with a wife,
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:47 PM
Oct 1

mother, sister, or daughter can vote for such vile anti-woman policies also boggles the mind.

Demobrat

(8,678 posts)
25. Not really.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 06:43 PM
Oct 1

They don’t want their wimmen gettin’ uppity. Anything that keeps the females in their place is a good thing.

Tansy_Gold

(17,687 posts)
19. "...for women whose pregnancies are very much wanted."
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 05:48 PM
Oct 1

I hate this statement.

It relegates abortion and abortion care to "unwanted" pregnancies or "unwanted" babies. There are women who very much want their babies who still need abortion services and care.

Raftergirl

(1,241 posts)
21. I'm done feeling sorry for them and the situation they find themselves in.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 06:15 PM
Oct 1

This was predictable. Voting for certain people have consequences.

If they want things to change it is up to them to change them.

roamer65

(36,626 posts)
27. If I were a married man, had a couple of kids and lived in Idaho.
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 06:47 PM
Oct 1

I would get a vasectomy stat.

Snip, snip and no more worry.

Maru Kitteh

(28,117 posts)
33. So women should leave Idaho. I sure as F would have. Husband could come along or not, I
Sun Oct 1, 2023, 09:08 PM
Oct 1

would never have accepted staying as a younger mother of two girls in a state where our bodies were property, breed stock to the state. Hell fucking no. All other matters would be secondary to their lives, physical and emotional.








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