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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:02 AM Nov 2012

KARL ROVE Under Attack By His Own Party, being thrown under the bus in a blame game.

Karl Rove was ambitious this past election. He spent hundreds of millions of dollars in an attempt to sway people into thinking Mitt Romney was going to win. He was so confident in his ability he even threw a tantrum on air. And now he is under attack by his own party, being thrown under the bus in a blame game. And now it turns out, Karl may have broken the law in his eagerness.



Think Progress has uncovered that Rove’s Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies (GPS) is, for lack of a better term, not-legal. Not saying that they’re illegal, but they failed to file the necessary legal paperwork to even exist in the first place.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/14/1188771/exclusive-karl-roves-crossroads-gps-never-filed-legally-required-registration/




Crossroads GPS was filed with the IRS as a 501(c)(4) “social welfare organization” located in Virginia. This kind of corporate structure is commonly called a dark money group due to its design to shield donors from any fallout associated with the donations. However, when you check with the state of Virginia, no such organization exists in their database.http://www.vdacs.virginia.gov/consumers/cgi-bin/char_search.cgi
Per the law in Virginia, any such organization which is to collect $1 million or more in donations must file the proper paperwork and fees before starting operation with the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Office of Charitable and Regulatory Programs. Crossroads GPS did neither.




As a result, the shield which Crossroads GPS was to provide their donors may not apply at all. Failure by Karl Rove to cross his Ts and dot his Is might open him, and all of his donors, up to a legal nightmare scenario. He may have to return all of the money, and even then all the donors would become public knowledge, and he may be facing jail time for illegal solicitation of millions of dollars of donor money. People have gone to jail for far less severe a crime.




Karl Rove appears to have been so assured of victory that trivialities like legal paperwork appear to have not registered with him. Without a Romney presidency, Rove now may be facing an IRS auditor in his future, along with numerous complaints and other legal filings. The story of Karl Rove may make a good movie one day, discussing the hubris of greed and the failings of Objectivism.

For now, it is clear that Rove is finished.




http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/15/karl-rove-may-be-guilty-of-fraud/
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KARL ROVE Under Attack By His Own Party, being thrown under the bus in a blame game. (Original Post) Segami Nov 2012 OP
Couldn't happen to a nicer person. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #1
Poetic Justice for Karl Rove and Citizens United! ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #17
You're right brush Nov 2012 #50
Hmm... kenfrequed Nov 2012 #23
THAT was my first thought as well! FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #26
I like this picture better. RC Nov 2012 #68
Me, too. teamster633 Nov 2012 #74
Will we finally get to see the Karl Rove frog march? Champion Jack Nov 2012 #2
actually, Rove has opened the door for the family he works for to come back in 16 graham4anything Nov 2012 #3
ITA. Jeb, and his Mexican (AKA: LATINO VOTE) wife. ALWAYS the LONG GAME. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #7
You may be correct in pointing out Rove's family loyalties but.. Segami Nov 2012 #9
the corporation will close it doors, and that will end the investigation. Rove will never be jailed. graham4anything Nov 2012 #11
Well, thats so optimistic of you to think that... Segami Nov 2012 #16
It's why I would rather go forward then have investigations that won't work graham4anything Nov 2012 #18
Yea well, every once in a while the dragnet catches a few BIG fish. Segami Nov 2012 #19
Sorry, but to me it's that kind of thinking (ignore the crooks) that got us in this mess. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #20
Buy one of the jurors? bongbong Nov 2012 #32
People with that kind of money are scary. stubtoe Nov 2012 #57
Rust never sleeps..... AnneD Nov 2012 #45
Oops! Grover is next! malaise Nov 2012 #4
Is this one of those things... dchill Nov 2012 #5
Yes. There will be a lot of whoopty-do now, but in the end he will skate rhett o rick Nov 2012 #21
Call it ... bongbong Nov 2012 #33
Oh. Now that's kind of a Debbie Downer thing to say. dchill Nov 2012 #66
The true name should be Rove's DoubleCrossRoads (R) Berlum Nov 2012 #6
I beg your pardon, but the GOP doesn't 'do' buses. tanyev Nov 2012 #8
Haha. Well deserved! City Lights Nov 2012 #10
Music I tells ya madokie Nov 2012 #12
Couldn't happen to a nicer pig. Iggo Nov 2012 #13
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #75
k&r n/t RainDog Nov 2012 #14
Silly Rabbit--don't you know? IOKIYAR! nt tblue37 Nov 2012 #15
+1 ...no +2....no, no...+10000 n/t ejbr Nov 2012 #22
Rove and other such GOP operatives are like the undead. You can never count on their tblue37 Nov 2012 #69
It sounds like Karl Rove will finally be getting his earned stripes - Jail MyOpinion-2 Nov 2012 #24
possible reason? Locrian Nov 2012 #25
Publish it anyway. aquart Nov 2012 #34
Thanks! Interesting post. Segami Nov 2012 #41
WOW. THIS SO DESERVES IT'S OWN THREAD!! cyberpj Nov 2012 #42
That might be a reason why Rove has been so involved ... AnneD Nov 2012 #60
He deserves all the blame they can pass on to him liberal N proud Nov 2012 #27
Today is a great day. MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #28
Rove was also the bus driver! aintitfunny Nov 2012 #29
Well, of course if he's the one responsible for the potholes rock Nov 2012 #30
Promise? aquart Nov 2012 #31
The fact that he has never had the book thrown at him yet... ailsagirl Nov 2012 #35
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Segami Nov 2012 #40
Your post gives me hope ailsagirl Nov 2012 #51
Hope is a good thing. Patience is also a virtue! Segami Nov 2012 #55
Popcorn? Don't mind if I do ailsagirl Nov 2012 #64
"Hundreds of crack lawyers"? LOL! randome Nov 2012 #47
I can see why, lol!! ailsagirl Nov 2012 #53
LOLOL!! Segami Nov 2012 #58
All I want for Christmas is a Rove frog march meow2u3 Nov 2012 #36
"he may be facing jail time"? Not if Holder has anything to say about it. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #37
If we want him in jail, do it the American way! SCVDem Nov 2012 #38
The IRS finally got Al Capone; he was jailed not for murder but tax evasion Hekate Nov 2012 #77
Yes! liberalmuse Nov 2012 #39
Hmmmm....I'm thinking of another douche whose reach exceeded his grasp..... BlueManFan Nov 2012 #43
And ridiculous dancer!! Segami Nov 2012 #44
Despicable Tom Delay ailsagirl Nov 2012 #49
But let's consider what he accomplished. He got a shrub appointed twice who killed HopeHoops Nov 2012 #46
Don't forget the WMDs & totally unnecessary Invasion/War on Iraq We People Nov 2012 #63
Right. I used to say they weren't "failures," they were quite successful. catzies Nov 2012 #70
Oh, no. Dick Gregory will have to find a new dance partner now. valerief Nov 2012 #48
re: KARL ROVE Under Attack By His Own Party, being thrown under the bus in a blame game. allan01 Nov 2012 #52
Think of the money we could raise if we sold tickets for people to have a turn driving the bus LynneSin Nov 2012 #54
I'm bringing my OWN BUS!! Segami Nov 2012 #59
Got mine! LynneSin Nov 2012 #62
The next election he can help with is President of the Cell Block Auggie Nov 2012 #56
Not Legal marions ghost Nov 2012 #61
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Dubster Nov 2012 #65
what's the phone number of the IRS tip line? grasswire Nov 2012 #67
Karl will never go to jail. joeunderdog Nov 2012 #71
Sadly, I think you are right. progressoid Nov 2012 #72
rove's been digging his own political grave.. who knew Cha Nov 2012 #73
Finished? Rove? I won't believe it until someone drives a stake through his heart Hekate Nov 2012 #76
I want to see all the names of the parties in this illegal group... Historic NY Nov 2012 #78

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. Couldn't happen to a nicer person.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:05 AM
Nov 2012

the wheel of karmic justice grinds slowly but it grinds exceedingly fine.

brush

(58,662 posts)
50. You're right
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:00 AM
Nov 2012

Poetic justice. Yes. Karma also, which oft times isn't immediate but works in roundabout ways. It's just getting around to Rove after all the dirty dealings and damage he caused during the W Bush years. There are tons of instances of this happening to high-profile individuals. One recently that comes to mind is OJ Simpson. Some say he got away with killing his wife, but he's now serving a long sentence in jail for another, non-related matter. It's a bitch when it gets you in the end, huh, Karl?

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
23. Hmm...
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:37 AM
Nov 2012

Would it be mixing the metaphor of the bus to suggest that they will have trouble running him over without damaging the bus, or will it actually extend the metaphor?

FailureToCommunicate

(14,377 posts)
26. THAT was my first thought as well!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:49 AM
Nov 2012

Karl...you look good. You been working out (in the prison gym)?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
3. actually, Rove has opened the door for the family he works for to come back in 16
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:08 AM
Nov 2012

I would not applaud his demise yet, as everything he has done, he did for Jeb

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
9. You may be correct in pointing out Rove's family loyalties but..
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:20 AM
Nov 2012

Others see it differently.

2016 is four years away with many unforeseen changes popping up along the way.



Nov 15, 2012

CREW Files FEC Complaint Against Crossroads GPS For Failing To Disclose Donors



Washington, D.C. — Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) against Crossroads GPS for violating federal election law by failing to disclose the identities of contributors who — according to Karl Rove — donated $6 million specifically to fund independent expenditures in the Ohio Senate race. Additionally, Crossroads GPS also broke the law by soliciting donations to be spent on the Virginia, Montana, and Nevada Senate races, but failed to disclose the donors.


CREW Executive Director Melanie Sloan stated, “Karl Rove and Crossroads GPS didn’t just skirt around the edges of the law; this time it appears they jumped headlong into a criminal conspiracy.”


Federal law requires any outside group that makes an independent expenditure to disclose the donors who contributed to pay for such ads. Groups like Crossroads GPS normally evade this law by claiming none of their contributions were earmarked for a specific purpose. At an August 2012 fundraiser, however, Rove said an anonymous donor gave Crossroads GPS $3 million specifically for the Ohio Senate race, and told Rove it was a “matching challenge” dependent on the group raising another $3 million for the race. Crossroads GPS ended up spending $6.36 million on independent expenditures in the Ohio race, but did not disclose any donors in nine reports the group filed with the FEC.


- Crossroads GPS told the FEC in a 2011 letter it understood the law, and promised to identify all donors who made contributions for independent expenditures in specific races. Because the violations were deliberate, they are subject to criminal as well as civil penalties.


http://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-filings/entry/crew-files-fec-complaint-crossroads-gps-failing-to-disclose-donors
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
11. the corporation will close it doors, and that will end the investigation. Rove will never be jailed.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:28 AM
Nov 2012

If (ha ha ha) he is as bad as all that, don't you think he would buy one of the jurors and get out of jail free like JG did for many years?

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
16. Well, thats so optimistic of you to think that...
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:48 AM
Nov 2012

...And I guess someone should tap CREW's Executive Director Melanie Sloan on the shoulder and tell her that she's wasting her time and effort by filing such nonsense against Rove since ultimately, he will buy his way out.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
18. It's why I would rather go forward then have investigations that won't work
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:56 AM
Nov 2012

Bush41 got out of Iran/Contra due to what most likely was intentionally setting a trap to later get Ollie off on the technicallity by the same ACLU that Bush41 always derided.

I am convinced (no proof of course) that they did it going in to have it end that way.

I would rather President Obama and his staff keep his eye on the betterment of America, and as we all know, Karl Rove is NOT part of that

(and btw, if there is a trial and Rove gets off on a technicality, it then makes him an even bigger hero to the right, same way Ollie and Liddy are.(though Liddy served his time.)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. Sorry, but to me it's that kind of thinking (ignore the crooks) that got us in this mess.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:25 AM
Nov 2012

Most of GWBush "the special son" guys should have been in prison for past crimes.

Leave Karl alone and he will continue to conspire. Sure he is getting attention now, but it will blow over. There is always someone willing to pay him for his specialty. IMO his reaction on Faux indicated that the fix was in but someone blew it and it wasnt his fault.

If Ohio would have gone Rmoney, so would Flordia.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
32. Buy one of the jurors?
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:14 AM
Nov 2012

That's waaaaaayyyyy too expensive for repigs, who would sell their children & mother for a penny.

Instead, they'll blackmail a juror(s), and if that doesn't work, murder one of the jurors' family members.

Seriously.

When you're dealing with millions of dollars, and billionaire donors, and the (possible) loss of trillions in juicy no-bid gov't contracts because Obama won, don't think they wouldn't do it in a microsecond.

stubtoe

(1,862 posts)
57. People with that kind of money are scary.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
Nov 2012

They can eliminate almost anyone and never get caught.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
45. Rust never sleeps.....
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:49 AM
Nov 2012

Rove has been around since Segretti in the Nixon Admin. He skirted the law then just as he and BFEE have always done. I will be pleasantly surprised if I see him face justice in my lifetime...and I mean justice that doesn't get a presidential pardon.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. Yes. There will be a lot of whoopty-do now, but in the end he will skate
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:28 AM
Nov 2012

and be around to conspire again. Even though it looks like the oligarchs are mad at him, remember they only lost money and that's easy to replace. Karl is the best at what he does. The failure in Ohio, IMO, wasnt his fault. His reaction on FAux indicated to me that something went wrong. And most likely he did his part but someone didnt execute.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
6. The true name should be Rove's DoubleCrossRoads (R)
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:13 AM
Nov 2012

Since as they have so often demonstrated,
truth distortion and double-crossing are core Republican 'values.'

Rove is just another slick embodiment of those
same degenerate hypocritical so-called 'values' that the
Republicans love to wrap themselves in
so smarmily & sanctimoniously.

tblue37

(66,127 posts)
69. Rove and other such GOP operatives are like the undead. You can never count on their
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 04:57 PM
Nov 2012

staying down, no matter how many times they are "killed."

He is like Michael in Friday the 13th.

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
25. possible reason?
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:49 AM
Nov 2012

On November 12th, we received a letter from “The Protectors,” apparently a group of white hat cyber sleuths, mentioning our reward and stating that two months ago, they began monitoring the “digital traffic of one Karl Rove, a disrespecter of the Rule of Law, knowing that he claimed to be Kingmaker while grifting vast wealth from barons who gladly handed him gold to anoint another King while looking the other way.”

“The Protectors” said that they had identified the digital structure of Rove’s operation and of ORCA, a Republican get out the vote software application. After finding open “doors” in the systems, they created a “password protected firewall” called “The Great Oz,” and installed it on servers that Rove planned to use on election night to re-route and change election results “from three states.”

The letter indicated that “ORCA Killer” was launched at 10am EST and “The Great Oz” at 8pm EST on November 6th. “The Protectors” watched as ORCA crashed and failed throughout Election Day. They watched as Rove’s computer techs tried 105 times to penetrate “The Great Oz” using different means and passwords.

Finally, they issued the following warning to Mr. Rove: don’t do it again or they would turn over the evidence to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.


http://occupyforaccountability.org/index.php?q=node%2F1075
 

cyberpj

(10,794 posts)
42. WOW. THIS SO DESERVES IT'S OWN THREAD!!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:40 AM
Nov 2012

Please re-post as a Thread Topic like Anti-Rove hackers save the election or something like that to get attention.

This is GREAT!

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
60. That might be a reason why Rove has been so involved ...
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nov 2012

in Assanges case in Sweden.

liberal N proud

(61,020 posts)
27. He deserves all the blame they can pass on to him
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nov 2012

If he didn't do it, he has in the past and was involved this round.

rock

(13,218 posts)
30. Well, of course if he's the one responsible for the potholes
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:52 AM
Nov 2012

he should be the one to fill them (I mean that literally)!

ailsagirl

(23,993 posts)
35. The fact that he has never had the book thrown at him yet...
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:18 AM
Nov 2012

tells me he never will. I'm sure he's got hundreds of crack lawyers lined up in case he's ever indicted and that, since he's a slippery SOB, nothing will ever stick. I hope I'm wrong because he is, truly, a despicable piece of garbage.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
40. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:35 AM
Nov 2012

Even Capone had an army of " crack lawyers " yet, the outcome did NOT fair too well for Al.

Its NOT Karl that will do himself in,....its the snitches who sell Karl out and cut a deal to save their own a$$es from threat of criminal prosecution.

Impossible task to silence everyone in-the-know when you don't know who the person is and where the info is coming from....

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
55. Hope is a good thing. Patience is also a virtue!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
Nov 2012

Lets wait and see what the future unfolds. I made some fresh popcorn....have some!


This movie is just about to begin.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
47. "Hundreds of crack lawyers"? LOL!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:53 AM
Nov 2012

Sorry, the image of hundreds of lawyers in one room doing crack just...um, cracked me up!

meow2u3

(24,996 posts)
36. All I want for Christmas is a Rove frog march
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:19 AM
Nov 2012

A Rove frog march, a Rove frog march
All I want for Christmas is a Rove frog march
so we can shout, "Merry Christmas"!

♫♫

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
38. If we want him in jail, do it the American way!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:24 AM
Nov 2012

Plant a small amount of rock coke in his pocket.

Oh yeah, that only works for poor (smaller majorities) minorities. Sorry!

Hekate

(95,959 posts)
77. The IRS finally got Al Capone; he was jailed not for murder but tax evasion
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:13 AM
Nov 2012

That's how you get the "untouchable" crooks in the US.

liberalmuse

(18,876 posts)
39. Yes!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:27 AM
Nov 2012

I'm having sweet, sweet schadenfreude for breakfast again.

How can someone be "assured" of victory unless they were doing something shady behind the scenes. Hmmmm. I wonder if the paperwork was "lost".

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
43. Hmmmm....I'm thinking of another douche whose reach exceeded his grasp.....
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:42 AM
Nov 2012

...if memory serves he was a former bug killer from Sugar Land Texas.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
46. But let's consider what he accomplished. He got a shrub appointed twice who killed
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:49 AM
Nov 2012

the economy and our respect as nation abroad. He took a surplus into a deficit. He did his best to contain the damage from McGrumpy and the Palinoid, convinced enough morons in 2010 to regain control of the house because the shrub's work was all Obama's fault, and he just rid us, probably permanently, of the entire GOP clown car from the primary wasting countless millions from people who are too rich to notice it anymore than I'd look in my wallet and ask, "Wait, didn't I have a fiver in here yesterday?"

Personally, his most recent work is pretty impressive.

We People

(619 posts)
63. Don't forget the WMDs & totally unnecessary Invasion/War on Iraq
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:34 AM
Nov 2012

That killed and disabled thousands upon thousands on both sides for years.

How many people have suffered and died as at least an indirect result of his actions? Millions.

The sooner he is incarcerated and finally begins to suffer for his actions, the better.

catzies

(8,093 posts)
70. Right. I used to say they weren't "failures," they were quite successful.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:59 PM
Nov 2012

Evil is hard work.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
52. re: KARL ROVE Under Attack By His Own Party, being thrown under the bus in a blame game.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:02 AM
Nov 2012

"hey failed to file the necessary legal paperwork to even exist in the first place"


LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
54. Think of the money we could raise if we sold tickets for people to have a turn driving the bus
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:05 AM
Nov 2012

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
67. what's the phone number of the IRS tip line?
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:49 PM
Nov 2012

I think this might warrant a little help from members of the public.

joeunderdog

(2,563 posts)
71. Karl will never go to jail.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:04 PM
Nov 2012

Karl will never be charged, will never pay what he owes, will never face the music.

Period.

Cha

(306,795 posts)
73. rove's been digging his own political grave.. who knew
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:22 AM
Nov 2012

this would be the result with all that Bluster he was spewing from his fox hole?

Hekate

(95,959 posts)
76. Finished? Rove? I won't believe it until someone drives a stake through his heart
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:11 AM
Nov 2012

The man has a certain ... resilience ... rather the way Dick Nixon had. Also powerful, powerful friends.

Although, there's always the possibility that even he may have gone too far. It would be so sweet to see the IRS go after him the way it went after Al Capone. It would be poetry if some bright progressive researcher dug up all the names of those donors whose money got insufficiently laundered -- and published them. And music to my ears to hear someone like Rachel describe his haggard shaken appearance after a quiet yet eventful dinner with the Koch Brothers.

A girl can dream.

Hekate

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