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LeftInTX

(25,107 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:27 PM Nov 2012

Anderson Cooper confronts John McCain about his Rice hypocrisy

It's not hard hitting journalism, but Anderson had John McCain on his show. He showed clips of McCain endorsing Condi Rice.
John McCain defends himself saying, "Four Americans died in Benghazi".
Anderson replies, "But thousands died in Iraq".
McCain defends himself with mumble-jumble.

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Anderson Cooper confronts John McCain about his Rice hypocrisy (Original Post) LeftInTX Nov 2012 OP
Excellente! nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #1
John McCain: Bitter, Petty, and UNFIT FOR COMMAND. Dawson Leery Nov 2012 #2
+1, +1000 dchill Nov 2012 #3
Unfit to fly, too. BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #17
Five? Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #21
Well, in fairness, the one on his carrier... BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #23
I thought it was three--one in training, which should have washed him out into a SWO job, MADem Nov 2012 #25
There's some dispute about that... BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #26
No--no dispute--you're quite right. I don't know how I missed these earlier MADem Nov 2012 #29
Condi Rice was head of the Nat'l Security Council on 9/11...3000 dead... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #4
Anderson Cooper did, that's a start Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #5
Some of Us Do USMCMustang Nov 2012 #13
And whistling between his crooked teeth dem4ward Nov 2012 #6
Anderson Cooper does a pretty good job loyalsister Nov 2012 #7
McCain is an Asshole n/t sheshe2 Nov 2012 #8
Ditto... SoapBox Nov 2012 #22
not to mention fucking 911! barbtries Nov 2012 #9
Link to video enclosed Ellipsis Nov 2012 #10
Wow. That vid says it all. go west young man Nov 2012 #15
The gentleman from Arizona The Wizard Nov 2012 #11
CNN needs to go after this with full throated to attempt to earn ANY of my respect back! Firebrand Gary Nov 2012 #12
"But thousands died in Iraq" - exactly. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #14
A battle against an obviously qualified woman of color FreeBC Nov 2012 #16
Good on you, Anderson! gateley Nov 2012 #18
Good For Cooper! Thanks LeftInTX Cha Nov 2012 #19
I was proud of Obama during the Press conf on this Dems50State Nov 2012 #20
Anderson dennis4868 Nov 2012 #24
There was a time when McCain seemed like a reasonable republican Ratty Nov 2012 #27
partisan crap Magoo. And you know it. Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #28

BouzoukiKing

(163 posts)
17. Unfit to fly, too.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:36 AM
Nov 2012

The only aviator in U.S. Naval history to lose five aircraft and still retain his flight status. Of course, his daddy might have had something to do with that...

BouzoukiKing

(163 posts)
23. Well, in fairness, the one on his carrier...
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:07 AM
Nov 2012

...was not in the air at the time it was destroyed. And it is now clearly impossible to objectively ascertain what amount of fault then-Commander McCain may have had in that. Theories - from those who were there willing to talk about it - range from a childish afterburner prank that almost caused the carrier to sink, to great heroism in the face of an insane inferno with causes completely unrelated to his actions. Who knows? Only McCain knows.

But yeah - I don't believe there's ever been a Naval aviator who lost even two aircraft unrelated to enemy fire, and kept valid flight credentials.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
25. I thought it was three--one in training, which should have washed him out into a SWO job,
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:22 AM
Nov 2012

once on the Forest Fire (aka Forrestal) which was a horrible fire at sea that is still shown to new recruits as a cautionary tale regarding what can go wrong and the right/wrong way to fight fires underway, and the third time was when he became a guest of the North Vietnamese.

BouzoukiKing

(163 posts)
26. There's some dispute about that...
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:36 AM
Nov 2012

...I'll confess. One wonders why, and from what direction the disputes arise.

But, from Wikipedia:

"...during the early-to-mid 1960s, the planes he was flying crashed twice and once collided with power lines..."

And he went through the Forest Fire. And was shot down. That's five.

He was a lousy pilot. Or perhaps unlucky. In the military however - especially during wartime - there's no appreciable difference between the two. Results are all that matter.

But really - I don't think that after the first three (the power-line incident is another with conflicting reports... was he buzzing for benefit of companionship? or...? was the aircraft destroyed? or...?) he really should have been in the air. The first two, actually.

YMMV

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. No--no dispute--you're quite right. I don't know how I missed these earlier
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:16 PM
Nov 2012

tales during the last election; perhaps because there was so much Palin fodder about. Those "pre-Forest Fire" accidents, well, two of them, anyway, are news to me!

This article goes into detail: http://articles.latimes.com/print/2008/oct/06/nation/na-aviator6

McCain The Petulant Bully is not unknown to me--he had a somewhat abrasive and abrupt personality on a good day, before he decided he wanted to be the President. I'm guessing that hasn't improved over the years!

Wounded Bear

(58,596 posts)
4. Condi Rice was head of the Nat'l Security Council on 9/11...3000 dead...
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:40 PM
Nov 2012

They made her SoS after the biggest fuckup in American history. Nobody seems to remember this.

I hate this shit!

Blue4Texas

(437 posts)
5. Anderson Cooper did, that's a start
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:49 PM
Nov 2012

Get it out there, besides there's nothing out there, our Rice is Ambassador to UN hardly the Nat'l Security Council, but yes, I hate their shit (best word) too

 

dem4ward

(323 posts)
6. And whistling between his crooked teeth
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:51 PM
Nov 2012

he uttered that there is a difference between then and now. I'm like, hell ya there's a difference. Your talking outta yer ass this time!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
7. Anderson Cooper does a pretty good job
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:07 AM
Nov 2012

He pushes everyone so I get annoyed when he comes down on my people, but I think he's pretty fair.

barbtries

(28,766 posts)
9. not to mention fucking 911!
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:11 AM
Nov 2012

in republic land you drop the ball that BAD as national security adviser and you get a promotion to SOS. aargh

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
15. Wow. That vid says it all.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:26 AM
Nov 2012

McCain seemed like a senile old man who was just trumpeting talking points. When he was backed into a corner he just got stubborn and stumbled over his words. Apparently the "Maverick" isn't very bright.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
12. CNN needs to go after this with full throated to attempt to earn ANY of my respect back!
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:35 AM
Nov 2012

The Gulf Oil spill was the last time I watched anything on that network, in my opinion they revealed themselves to be about ratings rather than honesty.

Hopefully they can start to right the ship and calling GOP bullshit on their treatment of Susan Rice is a good start!

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
14. "But thousands died in Iraq" - exactly.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:48 AM
Nov 2012

These people are up in arms over 3-4 people dead, but saw nothing wrong with hundreds of thousands being killed in a war that was launched on a blatant lie?

Really?

 

FreeBC

(403 posts)
16. A battle against an obviously qualified woman of color
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:27 AM
Nov 2012

That should turn things around for the republicans!!!

Cha

(296,790 posts)
19. Good For Cooper! Thanks LeftInTX
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:48 AM
Nov 2012

McCain needs to go down on the junkpile of hypocritical whiny ass history

 

Dems50State

(147 posts)
20. I was proud of Obama during the Press conf on this
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:48 AM
Nov 2012

He called them out by name which is why I was proud Obama did not back down one bit.

dennis4868

(9,774 posts)
24. Anderson
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:12 AM
Nov 2012

Did an okay job could have done much better. He could have brought up Condi's 911 mushroom cloud comment to congress. Anderson could have played the tape of what Susan Rice actually said on MTP - that it appears based on the intelligence that it was a spontaneous protest and a militant group took advantage of that. Anderson could have said that Susan Rice was only telling reporters what the CIA told her. So he did okay but could have really let McCain have it if he provided more facts.

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
27. There was a time when McCain seemed like a reasonable republican
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:38 AM
Nov 2012

I didn't agree with his positions but he never seemed rabid about them. He's really gone off the deep end since 2004. I think his bitter all-consuming hatred of "that one" pushed him over the edge.

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