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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnderson Cooper confronts John McCain about his Rice hypocrisy
It's not hard hitting journalism, but Anderson had John McCain on his show. He showed clips of McCain endorsing Condi Rice.
John McCain defends himself saying, "Four Americans died in Benghazi".
Anderson replies, "But thousands died in Iraq".
McCain defends himself with mumble-jumble.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)dchill
(38,434 posts)BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)The only aviator in U.S. Naval history to lose five aircraft and still retain his flight status. Of course, his daddy might have had something to do with that...
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)He must have bailed out every time a light came on in the cockpit.
BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)...was not in the air at the time it was destroyed. And it is now clearly impossible to objectively ascertain what amount of fault then-Commander McCain may have had in that. Theories - from those who were there willing to talk about it - range from a childish afterburner prank that almost caused the carrier to sink, to great heroism in the face of an insane inferno with causes completely unrelated to his actions. Who knows? Only McCain knows.
But yeah - I don't believe there's ever been a Naval aviator who lost even two aircraft unrelated to enemy fire, and kept valid flight credentials.
MADem
(135,425 posts)once on the Forest Fire (aka Forrestal) which was a horrible fire at sea that is still shown to new recruits as a cautionary tale regarding what can go wrong and the right/wrong way to fight fires underway, and the third time was when he became a guest of the North Vietnamese.
BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)...I'll confess. One wonders why, and from what direction the disputes arise.
But, from Wikipedia:
"...during the early-to-mid 1960s, the planes he was flying crashed twice and once collided with power lines..."
And he went through the Forest Fire. And was shot down. That's five.
He was a lousy pilot. Or perhaps unlucky. In the military however - especially during wartime - there's no appreciable difference between the two. Results are all that matter.
But really - I don't think that after the first three (the power-line incident is another with conflicting reports... was he buzzing for benefit of companionship? or...? was the aircraft destroyed? or...?) he really should have been in the air. The first two, actually.
YMMV
MADem
(135,425 posts)tales during the last election; perhaps because there was so much Palin fodder about. Those "pre-Forest Fire" accidents, well, two of them, anyway, are news to me!
This article goes into detail: http://articles.latimes.com/print/2008/oct/06/nation/na-aviator6
McCain The Petulant Bully is not unknown to me--he had a somewhat abrasive and abrupt personality on a good day, before he decided he wanted to be the President. I'm guessing that hasn't improved over the years!
Wounded Bear
(58,596 posts)They made her SoS after the biggest fuckup in American history. Nobody seems to remember this.
I hate this shit!
Blue4Texas
(437 posts)Get it out there, besides there's nothing out there, our Rice is Ambassador to UN hardly the Nat'l Security Council, but yes, I hate their shit (best word) too
USMCMustang
(109 posts)They will continue to bet on the short attention span.
dem4ward
(323 posts)he uttered that there is a difference between then and now. I'm like, hell ya there's a difference. Your talking outta yer ass this time!
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)He pushes everyone so I get annoyed when he comes down on my people, but I think he's pretty fair.
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)asshole.
barbtries
(28,766 posts)in republic land you drop the ball that BAD as national security adviser and you get a promotion to SOS. aargh
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)go west young man
(4,856 posts)McCain seemed like a senile old man who was just trumpeting talking points. When he was backed into a corner he just got stubborn and stumbled over his words. Apparently the "Maverick" isn't very bright.
The Wizard
(12,534 posts)has to lay off the vinegar and water lest he doesn't mind exposing his true douche bag self.
http://www.claro-search.com/imageres.php?iu=&ir=http://www.urantiansojourn.com/2008/10/&ig=http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyrerWBj_SbXGlLSnCuXSB274OcDOWBBmATIGa55j0oaLE-yK0UqMl35s&h=2217&w=1450&q=mccrazy&babsrc=HP_ss
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)The Gulf Oil spill was the last time I watched anything on that network, in my opinion they revealed themselves to be about ratings rather than honesty.
Hopefully they can start to right the ship and calling GOP bullshit on their treatment of Susan Rice is a good start!
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)These people are up in arms over 3-4 people dead, but saw nothing wrong with hundreds of thousands being killed in a war that was launched on a blatant lie?
Really?
FreeBC
(403 posts)That should turn things around for the republicans!!!
gateley
(62,683 posts)Cha
(296,790 posts)McCain needs to go down on the junkpile of hypocritical whiny ass history
Dems50State
(147 posts)He called them out by name which is why I was proud Obama did not back down one bit.
dennis4868
(9,774 posts)Did an okay job could have done much better. He could have brought up Condi's 911 mushroom cloud comment to congress. Anderson could have played the tape of what Susan Rice actually said on MTP - that it appears based on the intelligence that it was a spontaneous protest and a militant group took advantage of that. Anderson could have said that Susan Rice was only telling reporters what the CIA told her. So he did okay but could have really let McCain have it if he provided more facts.
Ratty
(2,100 posts)I didn't agree with his positions but he never seemed rabid about them. He's really gone off the deep end since 2004. I think his bitter all-consuming hatred of "that one" pushed him over the edge.