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bigtree

(84,972 posts)
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:01 PM Aug 2023

DA Willis calls Chesebro's bluff

Hugo Lowell @hugolowell · 3m
NEW: Fulton County DA Fani Willis indicates her team is ready to go to trial immediately, on Oct. 23 2023 for all 19 defendants — comes after ex Trump lawyer Ken Chesebro filed for a speedy trial betting that she wouldn’t be ready.

Joyce Alene @JoyceWhiteVance · 1m
Ken Chesebro, the Trump co-defendant who asked for a speedy trial, thought he was calling Willis' bluff on her readiness to go to trial. He was not. Willis is not here to play.



Bradley P. Moss @BradMossEsq · 14m Haha.
Willis sees Chesebro’s gamble and raises him by seeking to try the whole group in two months.

Willis Trial Date Motion
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23926015-willis-trial-date-motion
DA Willis calls Chesebro's bluff (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2023 OP
Game, set, match. Ocelot II Aug 2023 #1
Chesebro: I Want A Speedy Trial? Willis: OK, October 23rd! Chesebro: Whatchu Talking About, Willis? TheBlackAdder Aug 2023 #82
+1 2naSalit Aug 2023 #86
No one will ever say they were smart crooks. C_U_L8R Aug 2023 #2
Really Incompetent Criminal Organization CaptainTruth Aug 2023 #47
SUAVE! Best_man23 Aug 2023 #55
LOVE it!!! calimary Aug 2023 #73
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2023 #3
F*** Around and Find Out with Fani Renaissance Man Aug 2023 #4
Indeed, please proceed! NotHardly Aug 2023 #32
She was SURELY prepared. We're not talking about a gaggle... dchill Aug 2023 #37
When the indictments came down she was ready except for some i-dots and t-crosses. bullimiami Aug 2023 #44
My immense admiration for her grows daily... hlthe2b Aug 2023 #5
Mine, too. I daresay she's even more badass than Smith, though ancianita Aug 2023 #14
I'm in love with her brilliance, acumen, and general competence Jerry2144 Aug 2023 #43
DA Willis, American hero! BadgerMom Aug 2023 #67
You want a speedy trial? I got your speedy trial right here, bub! Novara Aug 2023 #6
He obviously has no idea MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #7
No, she is the one trying to tie the 19 together. former9thward Aug 2023 #8
Not necessarily. Some attorneys are saying Cheesebro's speedy trial request apply to all JohnSJ Aug 2023 #28
That is what I am saying. former9thward Aug 2023 #51
Then I misread. Thanks JohnSJ Aug 2023 #70
Does this mean they all have to be tried together? Bobstandard Aug 2023 #9
Since there was no motion to sever, yes. Novara Aug 2023 #13
it'll be up to the judge bigtree Aug 2023 #16
Not yet, anyway Roland99 Aug 2023 #45
According to yapping jaws...... getagrip_already Aug 2023 #22
Yes. The Willis' apostrophe is correct. No need to add an additional s if possessive noun ends in s. Nanuke Aug 2023 #24
Nouns HighFired49 Aug 2023 #53
Thank you for the correction. Nice job. Nanuke Aug 2023 #69
I read that it can go either way ecstatic Aug 2023 #77
Interesting! ShazzieB Aug 2023 #78
Judge please grant his motion for speedy trial Beachnutt Aug 2023 #10
Hilarious underpants Aug 2023 #11
Your move, Cheez Bro NBachers Aug 2023 #12
Game, Set . . . Cheddar! HuskyOffset Aug 2023 #49
Hahahahahahahahaha not fooled Aug 2023 #15
"Prosecuting a white guy while black" is the offense the Repugs would use LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2023 #58
She took her time before bringing it before a grand jury, so I have no doubt she is well prepared JohnSJ Aug 2023 #17
probably the most thorough so far bigtree Aug 2023 #19
She knows the law- was no doubt prepared for this. If not, she would have waited to bring PortTack Aug 2023 #18
Looks like the 19 are at the "find out phase" of FAFO. NotHardly Aug 2023 #20
Bwahahahahahahaaaa spanone Aug 2023 #21
Let's get it on, MoFo! kentuck Aug 2023 #23
I can hear it now . . . AverageOldGuy Aug 2023 #25
Am I the only one here who thought newdayneeded Aug 2023 #26
Is there a link to a pdf of DA Willis' filing somewhere? Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #27
Here: joshcryer Aug 2023 #33
Thanks, but I already have the original indictment. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #35
Willis Trial Date Motion bigtree Aug 2023 #38
Thanks!! That got it... Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #41
Why do you think it took them 2 years? They wanted an airtight case. joshcryer Aug 2023 #29
She presented evidence to 2 grand juries Sanity Claws Aug 2023 #30
Take A Load Off Fani czarjak Aug 2023 #31
You want 4-d chess? usonian Aug 2023 #34
Hmmmm . . . HuskyOffset Aug 2023 #50
Let's see how fast he changes his mind Owens Aug 2023 #36
That's not an option. Martin68 Aug 2023 #65
These people all thought they were smarter than everyone else. dchill Aug 2023 #39
No. These RepubliQan crooks think because they do "politics" they are... Justice matters. Aug 2023 #60
She even gave time for him to see this lady Oct. 2 BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #40
The judge could rule for Chesebro, which apparently would require Willis to bring HIS trial Hortensis Aug 2023 #42
That is just precious Hekate Aug 2023 #46
Could any of the co-defendants waive their right to a speedy trial to delay their prosecution? Mr. Ected Aug 2023 #48
How do we know that was Chesbro's motivation? nt LAS14 Aug 2023 #52
The KlownKar is in free fall and they are hardly aware. NoMoreRepugs Aug 2023 #54
That is a giant kick to the crotch that will make him see stars. twodogsbarking Aug 2023 #56
I like to know who came up with the idea of filing for a speedy trial? LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #57
Oh she ready. DJ Porkchop Aug 2023 #59
Not sure which of the MSNBC legal beagles said it, Deminpenn Aug 2023 #61
They can't complain now. ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #74
These Trumpers really think they're smarter than everyone else. Chili Pepper Aug 2023 #62
6th grade clever gruffmusic Aug 2023 #85
welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2023 #88
Oh wait! October 23 of THIS year? I thought it was next year! SKKY Aug 2023 #63
Rofl. You go girl! Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #64
You know, her investigation seemed to take FOREVER to us. Goodheart Aug 2023 #66
ROTFLMFAO. n/t malthaussen Aug 2023 #68
The idiot law they passed soldierant Aug 2023 #71
So what about that stupid law? ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #75
That was the intentin, but the way it written it could aply to her. soldierant Aug 2023 #87
Grilled cheese Wild blueberry Aug 2023 #72
Don't you love some of the legalese? "Comes now, the State of Georgia....". Watch out Cheese man. EarnestPutz Aug 2023 #76
I like it republianmushroom Aug 2023 #79
All this and Chesebro hasn't even been arraigned. Sneederbunk Aug 2023 #80
Chesebro in Paradise Blue Owl Aug 2023 #81
Strategy Desert Dog Aug 2023 #83
popcorn is gonna disappear off store shelves like it's 2020 eleny Aug 2023 #84

TheBlackAdder

(27,632 posts)
82. Chesebro: I Want A Speedy Trial? Willis: OK, October 23rd! Chesebro: Whatchu Talking About, Willis?
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 10:12 PM
Aug 2023

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Renaissance Man

(662 posts)
4. F*** Around and Find Out with Fani
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:05 PM
Aug 2023

These folks are underestimating Fani Willis. Chances are that she was prepared for trial before the indictment was handed down by the grand jury.

dchill

(37,506 posts)
37. She was SURELY prepared. We're not talking about a gaggle...
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:48 PM
Aug 2023

... of amateurs like the Trump Troupe. They set out to break the law and expected no one to have a problem with it.

ancianita

(34,672 posts)
14. Mine, too. I daresay she's even more badass than Smith, though
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:17 PM
Aug 2023

the scale of his investigations is greater than hers. Still. She's one badass prosecutor.

Jerry2144

(1,890 posts)
43. I'm in love with her brilliance, acumen, and general competence
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:59 PM
Aug 2023

So refreshing compared to all the Republiklan buffoons in any government position

 

MarineCombatEngineer

(11,324 posts)
7. He obviously has no idea
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:06 PM
Aug 2023

of who he's dealing with here, he thought that he would throw a wrench in her case, he thought wrong.

former9thward

(30,573 posts)
8. No, she is the one trying to tie the 19 together.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:09 PM
Aug 2023

That is not what the GA law says. It says a specific defendant is entitled to a speedy trial. That provision is not dependent on other defendants who are entitled to review evidence and conduct depositions in a reasonable time.

JohnSJ

(90,619 posts)
28. Not necessarily. Some attorneys are saying Cheesebro's speedy trial request apply to all
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:34 PM
Aug 2023

“Atlanta attorney Andrew Fleischman said there is little court precedent examining how Georgia's speedy trial rule and the federal removal statute interact.
"There's no case law," said Fleischman, a former public defender now at Sessions & Fleischman. "It just sounds messy."
A spokeswoman for the DA declined to comment.
Outside attorneys say a speedy trial demand such as Chesebro's would apply to all 19 defendants, so if any of the other 18 defendants would rather have more time to prepare for trial -- Trump's attorneys are expected to ask that any case in Fulton County be delayed until after the 2024 election -- they will have to file motions to sever their cases from Chesebro's. Those motions would have to be decided by Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee, who is overseeing the case.
The DA previously said she plans to try all 19 defendants together.”

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/aug/24/giuliani-is-booked-released-in-atlanta/#:~:text=Outside%20attorneys%20say%20a%20speedy,%2D%2D%20they%20will%20have%20to

I also heard this discussion on MSNBC yesterday

former9thward

(30,573 posts)
51. That is what I am saying.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 01:52 PM
Aug 2023

The judge would sever the cases causing Willis' attempt to tie all 19 together to fail.

Bobstandard

(1,153 posts)
9. Does this mean they all have to be tried together?
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:09 PM
Aug 2023

I don’t even play a lawyer on tv, so I don’t know I assumed each would be tried separately. Perhaps this is DA Willis’ way of telling them all that she’s ready to try any of them immediately if necessary.

School me someone.

(And is that apostrophe used correctly?)

bigtree

(84,972 posts)
16. it'll be up to the judge
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:19 PM
Aug 2023

... but Willis is signaling Chesebro and the 18 others that the state is certainly ready to go.

Roland99

(53,341 posts)
45. Not yet, anyway
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 01:02 PM
Aug 2023

There will be LOTS AND LOTS of motions filed over the next few months

Mostly intended to delay and delay and delay....

getagrip_already

(12,532 posts)
22. According to yapping jaws......
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:29 PM
Aug 2023

It's up to the newly minted judge.........

He can either try them all together by the required date or split them apart.

Willis is just saying she is ready snd able to try them all. It's not her call.

Nanuke

(420 posts)
24. Yes. The Willis' apostrophe is correct. No need to add an additional s if possessive noun ends in s.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:31 PM
Aug 2023

—Former English teacher here

HighFired49

(299 posts)
53. Nouns
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 01:54 PM
Aug 2023

The general rule is that the possessive of a singular noun is formed by adding an apostrophe and s, whether the singular noun ends in s or not. The possessive of a plural noun is formed by adding only an apostrophe when the noun ends in s, and by adding both an apostrophe and s when it ends in a letter other than s.
https://www.thepunctuationguide.com/apostrophe.html#:~:text=The%20general%20rule%20is%20that,ends%20in%20s%20or%20not.&text=The%20possessive%20of%20a%20plural,a%20letter%20other%20than%20s.

Willis is a singular noun, so get an 's.

Geography and Anthropology major.

ShazzieB

(14,478 posts)
78. Interesting!
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 04:56 PM
Aug 2023

English major here, and I wasn't aware of this distinction

Beginning in grade school, I was always taught to add only an apostrophe to any noun ending in an "s." No distinction was made between singular and plural nouns.

I went to college and grad school in the 70s and don't remember this ever coming up. I wonder if this is a relatively recent stylistic change. There are definitely other things I was taught about grammar and punctuation in grade school and high school that are no longer correct. In any case, this one makes sense!

Beachnutt

(6,720 posts)
10. Judge please grant his motion for speedy trial
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:09 PM
Aug 2023

and try all of them in order to not violate his constitutional right.
The other 18 don't have a constitutional right to delay a trial.

HuskyOffset

(867 posts)
49. Game, Set . . . Cheddar!
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 01:28 PM
Aug 2023

Brother Cheese, it is your move. After pondering for a moment, Brother Cheddar opts to go all in, and moves that, in the event he is found guilty, the Death Penalty shall be applied.

not fooled

(5,737 posts)
15. Hahahahahahahahaha
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:19 PM
Aug 2023

And does this development also strengthen Willis' hand re going to trial before GA pukes would try to remove her per their new fascist law?

58. "Prosecuting a white guy while black" is the offense the Repugs would use
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:26 PM
Aug 2023

to show that she's gone rogue and has to be removed from her elected office.

That was the entire point of that hastily drawn, passed and signed bill. The Banana Republicans need to fulfill their constitutional oath, which is to protect Trump at all costs. If they could send in the National Guard and arrest everyone in the DA's office, they would. The Repugs want an autocracy, and given the Orange Tangerine's grasp on the party -- both by the balls and the pussy -- they could get what they want.

January 6 was just a rehearsal for the Main Event -- a coup "like the world has never seen," to use TFG's favorite phrase.

bigtree

(84,972 posts)
19. probably the most thorough so far
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:28 PM
Aug 2023

...because of the way she began with the special grand jury and ended with an entirely new set of citizens in the general.

PortTack

(31,396 posts)
18. She knows the law- was no doubt prepared for this. If not, she would have waited to bring
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:26 PM
Aug 2023

Indictments until she was ready.

AverageOldGuy

(1,252 posts)
25. I can hear it now . . .
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:31 PM
Aug 2023

DA Willis' instructions to her staff: "Take no prisoners and don't put up with any stunts!!"

newdayneeded

(1,881 posts)
26. Am I the only one here who thought
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:33 PM
Aug 2023

I read "cheesebro" and thought it was another clever name for donny the orange skinned man.

lol!

dchill

(37,506 posts)
39. These people all thought they were smarter than everyone else.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:51 PM
Aug 2023

They still can't believe they were wrong.

Justice matters.

(6,676 posts)
60. No. These RepubliQan crooks think because they do "politics" they are...
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:43 PM
Aug 2023

... above the law, in the sense that they expect to break laws and get away scot-free.

BumRushDaShow

(122,126 posts)
40. She even gave time for him to see this lady Oct. 2
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:55 PM
Aug 2023




(ETA I know there was talk about this on MSNBC last night regarding the "speedy trial" and the other defendants - obviously some if not all possibly needing to testify including the ring-leader)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. The judge could rule for Chesebro, which apparently would require Willis to bring HIS trial
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 12:58 PM
Aug 2023

up to presumably December, but oh well. The very public coverage as Willis nailed him for all THEIR crimes would not be good for the rest. And that would include The Big Fat Defendant as the primaries kick off in January.

The AJC points out that some have also filed to move their cases out of GA, and some experts say if that was granted all those charged would follow.

Complications I'm sure Willis and her team have foreseen and plan to deal with as the conspiracists and their advisors look, together and independently, for ways to loosen the jaws of the trap they created for themselves.

Mr. Ected

(9,649 posts)
48. Could any of the co-defendants waive their right to a speedy trial to delay their prosecution?
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 01:15 PM
Aug 2023

That's what's happening in the Brian Kohberger murder trial in Idaho.

LiberalFighter

(48,597 posts)
57. I like to know who came up with the idea of filing for a speedy trial?
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:23 PM
Aug 2023

Chesebro? His attorney? Someone else?

Deminpenn

(15,190 posts)
61. Not sure which of the MSNBC legal beagles said it,
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:44 PM
Aug 2023

but one downside of a speedy trial is that the defense might not have time to thoroughly review discovery and to challenge evidence found during discovery to have that eidence possibly excluded.

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,073 posts)
74. They can't complain now.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 04:40 PM
Aug 2023

They shouldn't have filed for a speedy trial if they weren't ready to adjudicate one.

SKKY

(11,576 posts)
63. Oh wait! October 23 of THIS year? I thought it was next year!
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:46 PM
Aug 2023

Yea, Fani Willis has none to give at this point.

Goodheart

(4,966 posts)
66. You know, her investigation seemed to take FOREVER to us.
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 02:57 PM
Aug 2023

I mean, why wouldn't she be ready to go to trial ASAP?

Suck on it, Cheesebro... you got trumped.

soldierant

(6,096 posts)
71. The idiot law they passed
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 04:09 PM
Aug 2023

allowing them to investigate and remove DAs goes into effect sometime in October. It makes perfect sense for her to want the rrial ended by then. (they may actually be ivestigating while it is going on, but they are unlikely to finish before it does, I suspect.)

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,073 posts)
75. So what about that stupid law?
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 04:43 PM
Aug 2023

The law doesn't apply to her. It's for prosecutors who refuse to punish crimes. You can hardly go after her regarding these traitors for not filing charges against them--when she did.

Desert Dog

(55 posts)
83. Strategy
Thu Aug 24, 2023, 11:13 PM
Aug 2023

If CheeseBro gets his trial split and it goes early, does that give team orange fella a chance to see Fani's cards early? Is there any tactical benefit for the group?

Love that the pardon is off the table. We might see some scrambling as the rats try to scurry from the mess. There is not much reason for politics on this. I think the mugshots of the locals is kinda sad. They got played and no GOP fat cats are gonna help them.

THE Mugshot reminds me of a scowling grinch.

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