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Front page of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: (Original Post) demmiblue Aug 2023 OP
A thing of beauty is a joy forever EYESORE 9001 Aug 2023 #1
Bravissimi to Fani Willis Abigail_Adams Aug 2023 #45
19 WITCHES caught Traildogbob Aug 2023 #2
Please do not insult witches like that. The 19 have NOTHING to do with the Craft of the Wise. niyad Aug 2023 #3
My wife considers herself a bruja. stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #26
Whoa, thank you for that, and blessings be upon your wife. 1WorldHope Aug 2023 #39
"The devil makes me laugh" stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #48
Indeed. MontanaMama Aug 2023 #36
Exactly. And many are still working. niyad Aug 2023 #38
Also correct. MontanaMama Aug 2023 #40
Yes - cilla4progress Aug 2023 #50
I went through my candle collection MontanaMama Aug 2023 #54
Nice... cilla4progress Aug 2023 #55
People like Stefanik? RSherman Aug 2023 #6
+1 llmart Aug 2023 #15
They need to get to a whole pile of elected officials BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #19
How do you know that they are witches? Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #14
They weigh the same as a duck bluevoter4life Aug 2023 #17
:-) ArkansasDemocrat1 Aug 2023 #64
For all the witch supporters Traildogbob Aug 2023 #20
During the Spanish Inquisition, ... stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #44
One witch and 18 flying monkeys. marble falls Aug 2023 #18
None of these people are witches. NH Ethylene Aug 2023 #66
I would take a witch over a christofascist every time Celerity Aug 2023 #21
19 identified as such Warpy Aug 2023 #34
Witch Hunt implies searching for something nonexistent Mopar151 Aug 2023 #58
I absolutely HOWLED with laughter when Jenna Ellis' name was read. Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #4
Oh good... ucralum Aug 2023 #59
The mental image of her negotiating over the "good" soap and Funyuns Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #60
Beautiful orangecrush Aug 2023 #5
I just wish the list was longer. SalamanderSleeps Aug 2023 #7
But wait..there's more! onetexan Aug 2023 #12
i wish mtg was in that mix or was she AllaN01Bear Aug 2023 #25
Who's smiling now, fascist feckers? You built this. thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #8
Hillary was right years ago... llmart Aug 2023 #16
And these people are renegades with little if any connection Hortensis Aug 2023 #33
About to purchase my first copy ecstatic Aug 2023 #9
I was hoping to see Lindsey Graham up there, too. ECL213 Aug 2023 #10
Yeah. Didn't he call, too? Did he flip? judesedit Aug 2023 #24
IDK if he would flip, or not... ECL213 Aug 2023 #29
Right-on, forgot about that swine. Maybe Grahams' w/Mike Lindell & both of these bottom-feeding 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #47
Post removed Post removed Aug 2023 #11
See salon.com onetexan Aug 2023 #13
30 unindicted co-conspirators! thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #22
There's enough to be mad about without resorting to homophobic name-calling. Iggo Aug 2023 #23
Please stop with the"miss lindsey". niyad Aug 2023 #30
From EarlG on misgendering Graham: Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #46
that . AllaN01Bear Aug 2023 #27
Look at that group BidenRocks Aug 2023 #28
Something about traitor Marthe48 Aug 2023 #31
demmiblue..... Upthevibe Aug 2023 #32
beautiful. William769 Aug 2023 #35
Quick, honey! Help me find the dead fish and some darts! Wonder Why Aug 2023 #37
Yes almost all present & accounted-for but aren't they all going to need pillows to rest their 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #41
YEEEEEEEHAAAAAWWWWW Abigail_Adams Aug 2023 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #52
Don't you enjoy a good news story to start the day? WestMichRad Aug 2023 #43
TFG and his Axis of Evil doers. ffr Aug 2023 #49
With apologies to Alice 3825-87867 Aug 2023 #51
Hopefully a follow up of all mugshots version next week? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #53
Kick! AKwannabe Aug 2023 #56
Yes, yes oh yes! Jenna Ellis and Sydney Powell! BradBo Aug 2023 #57
Nice. Now we do the dance of joy. Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #61
Instead of a Defense Table they're going to have to set up Defense Bleachers! SeattleVet Aug 2023 #62
K&R Blue Owl Aug 2023 #63
Headline could've easily been : "Check Out This Collection of Assholes!" nt Carlitos Brigante Aug 2023 #65
 

Abigail_Adams

(333 posts)
45. Bravissimi to Fani Willis
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:48 AM
Aug 2023

and her entire team. It's hard, hard work. May it pay off in criminal convictions.

niyad

(121,193 posts)
3. Please do not insult witches like that. The 19 have NOTHING to do with the Craft of the Wise.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:27 AM
Aug 2023
 
26. My wife considers herself a bruja.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:43 AM
Aug 2023

It's just a part of her culture.

SON DE CAPELLANIAS - LA BRUJA



CATALINA

 
48. "The devil makes me laugh"
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:29 AM
Aug 2023
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217619196

"Gracias a diós y nuestro señor salvador, fue el diablo el que me enseñó a tocar violin."

"Thanks to God and our Lord savior, it was the devil who taught me how to play the violin."

Felipe Ibarra, violinista

(Page 130)

Las Almas de los Violines 'Negros'

- Paloma Muñoz

http://repositorio.unicauca.edu.co:8080/bitstream/handle/123456789/2222/TESIS%20PALOMA%20MU%C3%91OZ%20FINAL.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Bambuco Patiano - Bambuco Negro

MontanaMama

(24,127 posts)
36. Indeed.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:07 AM
Aug 2023

+1. In fact, many witches worked to bind TFG during his time in office from doing more damage than he did.

MontanaMama

(24,127 posts)
54. I went through my candle collection
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 11:19 AM
Aug 2023

years ago and found an orange pumpkin candle for this purpose!

RSherman

(576 posts)
6. People like Stefanik?
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:30 AM
Aug 2023

I hope that someone can go after people like Elise Stefanik who broke their oaths to honor the Constitution by refusing to certify the election. Such gaul right after they were so violently attacked. And it goes without saying that Ginni Thomas needs to go down too. She was texting Meadows, trying to change the outcome of the election. I'm hoping for an entire house cleaning.

llmart

(16,331 posts)
15. +1
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:03 AM
Aug 2023

My rep, Lisa McClain was another who refused to certify the election on her first week as a GOP Congress critter. She had zero experience in government and was backed by the GOP people in Michigan, some of whom are now indicted as fake electors.

I'm with you on the "cleaning house" scenario.

BumRushDaShow

(145,403 posts)
19. They need to get to a whole pile of elected officials
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:24 AM
Aug 2023

However I know that if you initially bite off more than you can chew, then you'll lose the enjoyment of the fruit of your labor.

I think with the sets of people who have been charged so far across the two J6-cases, it might actually make it easier to go "superseding indictment" if those people can definitively point to the many elected GOP hoods in Congress who were active participants and attempted to pull off any one of the coup options.

Case in point - Scott Perry (R) (PA-10) and IMHO, anyone who attended Ghouliani's Gettysburg super-spreader fiasco.

INDICTED! (both of them - Ghouliani & Ellis)

Traildogbob

(10,329 posts)
20. For all the witch supporters
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:31 AM
Aug 2023

I will forward all complaints to HR at Truth Social. Their dear leader has been claiming he and all his cult co-conspirators are all witches for the past 7+ years. So all those prosecutors from the 4 (so far) indictments are finally catching what they are hunting for, therefore, they must be witches.
Your complaints need to go to all those GQP criminals falsely claiming THEY are impersonating witches.THEY are ruining the reps of witches, not I.

 
44. During the Spanish Inquisition, ...
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:46 AM
Aug 2023

Last edited Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:23 AM - Edit history (1)

...apparently, there were published lists. (My bold.)

How do you know that they are witches?


The Devil and Commodity Fetishism in South America

Michael T. Taussig


https://selforganizedseminar.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/taussig_devil_commodity.pdf

snip---------

Part II: The Plantations of the Cauca Valley in Colombia

CHAPTER 3: Slave Religion and the Rise of the Free Peasantry


(Page 41)

snip--------

Two generalizations are necessary to any discussion of black slave religion in Latin America. First, the whites were apprehensive of the supernatural powers of their subjects, and vice versa. Second, religion was inseparable from magic, and both permeated everyday life—agriculture, mining, economy, healing, marital affairs, and social relations in general. The Inquisition, for instance, regarded the occult arts that were drawn from the three continents not as idle fantasies but as the exercise of supernatural powers, including an explicit or implicit pact with the devil. The African slaves brought their mysteries and sorcery, the Indians their occult powers to cure or kill, and the colonists their own belief in magic (Lea, 1908:462).

The magical lore of the European was joined to that of the despised African and Indian to form a symbiosis, transformation, and adaptation of forms unknown to each group. This process was most obvious in beliefs concerning illness and healing. The Europeans had few efficacious medical resources, and their curing depended heavily on religious and magical faith: masses, prayers to the saints, rosary beads, holy water, and miracles wrought by priests and folk curers. The indoctrination of African slaves by Catholic priests focused on curing, which exploited the miracle-yielding power of the Christian pantheon to the utmost (Sandoval, 1956). Conversely, the Europeans availed themselves of their subjects' magic, which was not distinguished from religion. In fact, the Europeans defined African and Indian religion not merely as magic but as evil magic. "It is in this trance," writes Gustavo Otero, referring to the first days of the conquest, "that the conquerors became the conquered" (1951: 128). That restless dialectic of magical counter attributions persists in popular culture to the present day.

Colonization and enslavement inadvertently delivered a special mystical power to the underdog of colonial society—the power of mystic evil as embodied in the Christians' fear of the devil. The quasi-Manichaean dualistic cosmology of the conquerors coexisted with the polytheistic or animistic monism of the African slaves and Indians, so that the conquerors stood to the conquered as God did to the devil. Thus, the popular religion of Spanish America was stamped with ethnic and class dualisms of this momentous order —ever susceptible to mercurial inversions in accordance with the shifting currents of caste and class power.

The Inquisition was founded in Cartagena in the early seventeenth century for reasons that included the Church Fathers' judgment of the colony as the "most vicious and sinful in the Spanish Dominions, [with] the faith on the point of destruction" (Lea, 1908 :456). Female slaves served as healers to such exalted personages as the bishop of Cartagena and the inquisitors themselves, while others were lashed when their occult powers were defined as evil, especially when epidemics of witchcraft were raging. Male sorcerers (brujos) became important leaders in the runaway slave camps (palenques} which caused the authorities endless concern (Borrego Pla, 1973 :27, 83; Tejado Fernandez, 1954:117-32). As intermediaries for Satan, such leaders supposedly initiated their converts in a ritual that mocked Christian baptism and denied God, the saints, and the Virgin Mary in order to achieve salvation in the afterlife and wealth and power in the here and now. This system of belief expresses the specter of social inversion. Teleologically ordered by the Supreme God, the hierarchy of social forms defined by class, color, and sex engendered its mirror image in the fears or hopes of an underworld allied with Satan.

Blacks were notorious for their militantly anti-Christian outbursts, which were macabrely ritualized in the sine qua non of slavery, flogging; at such times it was not unusual for the victim to cry, "I denounce God!" (Medina, 1889:106; cf., Palmer, 1975). They also destroyed symbols of the church—hardly surprising in a society in which, for example, a woman slave owner might measure the duration of a flogging by the time it took her to recite her rosary (Meiklejohn, 1968:216).

Writing in 1662, the chief inquisitor attributed much of the sorcery and idolatry in the mining districts to the heedless materialism of the mineowners, who "live only for profit. . . and keep watch only that the slaves accomplish their daily labor and care for nothing else" (Medina, 1889:12,0). Ostensibly, this sorcery could not only kill and maim people but also destroy the fruits of the earth—a claim still heard in connection with alleged devil pacts made by plantation laborers in the southern Cauca Valley. The pact will increase their productivity and their wage, but renders the canefield barren. Yet, the same laborers, working as peasants on their own or their neighbors' plots around the plantations or as independent subsistence dwellers in the jungles of the Pacific coast, reputedly spurn such pacts. Zaragoza, the mining area referred to, was the scene of one of Colombia's greatest slave revolts, which, according to observers, attempted to exterminate the whites and destroy the mines, as well (Vazquez de Espinosa, 1948 :34i).

The spasmodic moment that bridged the lash and the cry of renunciation of the master's God epitomizes the slaves' devil. He can become a figure of solace and power in that war of attrition against the African's culture and humanity itself. In their devil worship, the slaves appropriated their enemy's enemy. Ironically, through its very attempts at suppression, the Church indirectly validated devil worship and invested it with power. By acknowledging fear of the slaves' spiritual powers, the credulous Spanish inadvertently delivered a powerful instrument to their bondsmen. The Spaniards believed that the devil had spawned the heathen African and that the slaves were part of his ministry. The sixteenth and seventeenth centuries were, after all, the most intense years of the witch cult in Western Europe, the Counter-Reformation, and the Inquisition—an epoch in which the whole of Christendom trembled before the threat of the diabolic and the magician's manipulation of nature.

Ambiguously but persistently, Europeans equated slave folklore and religion, African identity, with the devil (cf., Genovese, 1974: 159-284). But for the African slave the devil was not necessarily the vengeful spirit of evil. He was also a figure of mirth and a powerful trickster. As Melville J. Herskovits pointed out, West Africans understood the European devil as their divine trickster, and their moral philosophy resisted the sharp dichotomy of good and evil espoused by the missionaries (195 8:2 5 3). Today, along the virtually isolated rivers of the Colombian Pacific coast, where blacks were largely left to fend for themselves after emancipation, they have, not one, but several devils, who tempt rather than threaten. The idea of hell among the blacks of the Raposo River only vaguely corresponds to the Christian idea; some people place it in the sky (Pavy, 1967:2,34). Finding their spirits defined as devils or one in particular defined as the devil, the blacks did not readily attribute evil to the "devil," at least not at first. And even if they did, the attribution could have signified hostility to the new order.

snip------

The scanty accounts of Christianization suggest that conversion and consolidation of belief remained little more than a formality throughout the entire epoch of slavery. Indeed, Sandoval (1956:198) echoed the common observation that the slave owners regarded Christianized slaves as more rebellious and as poorer workers than those not indoctrinated and would pay less for them (Sandoval, 1956:198; cf., Bowser, 1974 9; King, 1939:16-17). Whites were not only disinclined to buy Christianized slaves but tried to prevent their conversion, at times telling them that baptism was bad. According to Jose Toribio Medina, slave owners, reluctant to pay the costs of lengthy inquiries and penalties, encouraged their slaves to disappear if they were on the Inquisition's wanted list (1889). As a result, an underground African or quasi-African religion seems to have flourished, at least during the early years, syncretized with ardent faith in the miracle powers of Christ and the saints—powerful spirits who could be appealed to for earthly succor.

In 1771 the Bishop of Popayan, capital of the Cauca region of southwest Colombia, complained bitterly that his attempts to catechize the slaves and prevent their being worked on Sundays and feast days encountered the firm opposition of the slave owners. He believed that clerical mine speculators were identifying too closely with the exploiters of their slave flocks (King, 1939:217). The right of the slaves to rest on feast days, of which there was at least one a week in addition to Sundays, was hotly disputed by the Cauca mine owners during the eighteenth century. Yet, in a study of the health of slaves in New Granada, David Lee Chandler concludes that for many slaves the Church's insistence on rest days "must have . . . prolonged their lives" (1972:238). On these days they could also earn the wherewithal to buy their freedom, but many Cauca slave owners responded by reducing the food and clothing ration of the slaves. In these circumstances the feast days may have inclined the slaves favorably to ward the Church and added a religious rationale to their opposition to their masters.

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https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Commodity-Fetishism-South-America/dp/0807871338



Warpy

(113,131 posts)
34. 19 identified as such
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:02 AM
Aug 2023

but they'll have to be convicted.

Still, those racketeering charges will tend to stick to them and make them smell bad for the rest of their lives.

Mopar151

(10,194 posts)
58. Witch Hunt implies searching for something nonexistent
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 01:29 PM
Aug 2023

As in Joe McCarthy's "Card carrying Communist" hunts in the '50s. These wimps have fled from any Wise Women they've encountered while gibbering like loons!

Maru Kitteh

(29,324 posts)
4. I absolutely HOWLED with laughter when Jenna Ellis' name was read.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:27 AM
Aug 2023

I don't know why, but I find the idea of her smarmy, smirkey little mug behind bars especially amusing. She'll probably flip like a waffle shooting out of a manic toaster.


Maru Kitteh

(29,324 posts)
60. The mental image of her negotiating over the "good" soap and Funyuns
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 02:23 PM
Aug 2023

while reflecting on the capricious nature of #hashtagGod's plan is all I never knew I needed in this world.







SalamanderSleeps

(689 posts)
7. I just wish the list was longer.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:34 AM
Aug 2023

I'm hoping that as soon as these cretins start circling in the bowl that somehow they suck Ginny Thomas and Steven Miller down with them.

If every traitor in Trump gang were to go down they'd have to put a new wing on Leavenworth.

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
8. Who's smiling now, fascist feckers? You built this.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:37 AM
Aug 2023

Are you ready for your close ups? Mug shots, that is.
Last night the lights did not go out in Georgia.
A giant spotlight now illuminates a conspiracy of criminals,
and the whole world is watching.
🕊thatcrowwoman

llmart

(16,331 posts)
16. Hillary was right years ago...
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:04 AM
Aug 2023

when she said there was a "vast right wing conspiracy" afoot in this country.

That woman knew what she was talking about.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. And these people are renegades with little if any connection
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:00 AM
Aug 2023

to the big RW conspirators Hillary was talking about, who are doing the best they can to maintain some kind of control and bring this to their conclusion.

But as Hillary says, speaking about the trumpists, but also in spite of all they're all doing, the system is still working and our democracy has survived.

ecstatic

(34,573 posts)
9. About to purchase my first copy
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:37 AM
Aug 2023

Or two. I don't recall seeing a physical newspaper for sale anywhere but we'll see.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
47. Right-on, forgot about that swine. Maybe Grahams' w/Mike Lindell & both of these bottom-feeding
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:09 AM
Aug 2023

carp are up in MN. contaminating some of those 10,000-Lakes.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
22. 30 unindicted co-conspirators!
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:40 AM
Aug 2023

Just saying.
Tip of the fecking iceberg, and I’m not talking lettuce.
🕊thatcrowwoman

Ms. Toad

(35,743 posts)
46. From EarlG on misgendering Graham:
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:04 AM
Aug 2023
While I'm on the subject, please knock off the "Lindsey Graham is gay/a woman" jokes. Most of you have figured this out by now, and DU Juries actually have a pretty solid track record of removing these posts, but you know what would be even better? If we didn't have to send such bigoted "jokes" to Juries in the first place.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215969127

Marthe48

(19,623 posts)
31. Something about traitor
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:51 AM
Aug 2023

He doesn't have a problem hiring p.o.c. and women for his schemes. But he sure likes to hate on both in his rallies. He puts it on like a cheap suit. He uses who he can to work for him, and exploits or oppresses those he can't and encourages his base to bully as many people as they want to.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
41. Yes almost all present & accounted-for but aren't they all going to need pillows to rest their
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:37 AM
Aug 2023

crooked little melons upon (wink-wink Mike Lindell you fricken swine mo-fo)?

Response to Abigail_Adams (Reply #42)

ffr

(23,140 posts)
49. TFG and his Axis of Evil doers.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:31 AM
Aug 2023

They may be his allies, but the proper label is EVIL DOERS. These ARE NOT good people. These are the kind of people who will lie, cheat, and steal to get something they want and they'll do it even at the cost of what should be their oath to American democracy.

Justice cannot come quick enough!!

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