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. (Original Post) ItsjustMe Aug 2023 OP
Thank you! 2naSalit Aug 2023 #1
Good Dump! SouthernDem4ever Aug 2023 #2
I love the cowboy sign. I am going to have to change my saying on my account. Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #3
"the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously" William Seger Aug 2023 #4
Industrialists do NOT support fascists. Yet another BIG Lie. Hortensis Aug 2023 #10
I take it as historical fact, some of "today's industrialists" notwithstanding William Seger Aug 2023 #15
Well, that is what Mussolini's board of advisors thought, or hoped. Hortensis Aug 2023 #17
Thank you. murielm99 Aug 2023 #5
More good repostable stuff. marble falls Aug 2023 #6
Thanks everso. planetc Aug 2023 #7
If you don't prosecute sedition, it becomes strategy. Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #8
The last one has already happened. Dustlawyer Aug 2023 #9
Thank you for this excellent collection. Pity the Donner party hasn't niyad Aug 2023 #11
just waiting for NJCher Aug 2023 #24
Henry Wallace spoke the truth! Martin Eden Aug 2023 #12
K&R burrowowl Aug 2023 #13
Thank you for this excellent collection! It's outstanding. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2023 #14
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2023 #16
Thank you Wild blueberry Aug 2023 #18
Thank you I enjoyed them republianmushroom Aug 2023 #19
Always delightful when you take a dump! Permanut Aug 2023 #20
Henry Wallace is right again! raging moderate Aug 2023 #21
Brings a whole new meaning to the term "baby shower" GreenWave Aug 2023 #22
Wow... "If you don't prosecute sedition it becomes strategy"l Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2023 #23
I think DENVERPOPS Aug 2023 #25
Sometimes, even Joe Dirt can get it right. keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #26

William Seger

(11,348 posts)
4. "the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously"
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 06:55 AM
Aug 2023

That's why Mussolini called his brand of fascism "corporatism," and why industrialists have always supported fascists.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Industrialists do NOT support fascists. Yet another BIG Lie.
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 08:18 AM
Aug 2023

One guess who's been pushing that as if it's a second law of gravity for over a century now.

Seriously, how many of today's industrialists do you really think long to overthrow their own freedoms to obey and serve "the state"? Fascism was a whole new thing this time last century, some industrialists thought they could make what was happening anyway work for them. But huge lessons ensued.

Reality is, fascism is incompatible with the wealth and power accumulation, creativity, and freedom of action that actually motivate businessmen, and also a dangerously dysfunctional and unreliable platform for wealth production. Where's a wealthy fascist state, outside of, technically, a few oil-rich Muslim kingdoms/dictatorships? Strictly for extremists.

William Seger

(11,348 posts)
15. I take it as historical fact, some of "today's industrialists" notwithstanding
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 10:08 AM
Aug 2023

The industrialists who intend to control the fascist state, past and present, don't intend that THEY will be the ones who will be required to obey and serve the state -- they intend to be the obeyed and served.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Well, that is what Mussolini's board of advisors thought, or hoped.
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 10:38 AM
Aug 2023

As I said, big lessons learned.

Fascism is strictly for far-right extremist ideologues who are much more interested in controlling and abusing others than making money. Think of what investment of time and wealth would be required to make 330M people used to democracy instead believe in the virtues of obedience and serving the state, and continue to into the future. Investment that could be turned to creating profits instead -- that already is.

A hundred years and more ago, socialist and fascist movements were competing heavily for followers. (Their leaders were drawn to both and incorporated elements of both in their new authoritarian ideologies.)

Socialism's need for an argument to persuade people to reject already embedded capitalism, with its comforts and even opportunity for riches, is where the claim that capitalism is a first step to fascism originated. Couched in long, dense, mostly pseudointellectual prose, but it's still the standard "be very afraid" tactic -- fascism's coming and going to eat you if you don't kill capitalism first.

It helps enormously, of course, that most people have no idea what fascism is -- don't need to know more than that it's very baad...

Lonestarblue

(12,234 posts)
8. If you don't prosecute sedition, it becomes strategy.
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 08:04 AM
Aug 2023

Truer words have never been spoken. And yet we are prosecuting Trump and his cabal of lawyers who pushed sedition for this crime. The crime of election interference is serious, but it sounds almost benign, as in Trump tried to interfere with your vote but it got counted anyway, so what’s the problem! I understand the reasons not to charge his with sedition, but I sure wish the case were being described as something more than election interference. We all read and know that itnis, but for casual observers of the news it doesn’t sound all that bad.

Dustlawyer

(10,519 posts)
9. The last one has already happened.
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 08:07 AM
Aug 2023

Campaign finance (legal bribes) and advertising dollars leveraging MSM to spew propaganda gives the PTB control of politicians and media. That allows manipulation of the electorate and gives us MAGATS who will not listen to reason and facts.

Martin Eden

(13,805 posts)
12. Henry Wallace spoke the truth!
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 08:22 AM
Aug 2023

So did Winston Churchill.

Several other good ones here, including the longer table instead of a taller fence.

raging moderate

(4,543 posts)
21. Henry Wallace is right again!
Fri Aug 11, 2023, 02:57 PM
Aug 2023

Does anybody know what happened to Henry Wallace after he left public life? How did his life go after that?

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