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2naSalit
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SouthernDem4ever
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Ray Bruns
(4,942 posts)William Seger
(11,348 posts)That's why Mussolini called his brand of fascism "corporatism," and why industrialists have always supported fascists.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)One guess who's been pushing that as if it's a second law of gravity for over a century now.
Seriously, how many of today's industrialists do you really think long to overthrow their own freedoms to obey and serve "the state"? Fascism was a whole new thing this time last century, some industrialists thought they could make what was happening anyway work for them. But huge lessons ensued.
Reality is, fascism is incompatible with the wealth and power accumulation, creativity, and freedom of action that actually motivate businessmen, and also a dangerously dysfunctional and unreliable platform for wealth production. Where's a wealthy fascist state, outside of, technically, a few oil-rich Muslim kingdoms/dictatorships? Strictly for extremists.
William Seger
(11,348 posts)The industrialists who intend to control the fascist state, past and present, don't intend that THEY will be the ones who will be required to obey and serve the state -- they intend to be the obeyed and served.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)As I said, big lessons learned.
Fascism is strictly for far-right extremist ideologues who are much more interested in controlling and abusing others than making money. Think of what investment of time and wealth would be required to make 330M people used to democracy instead believe in the virtues of obedience and serving the state, and continue to into the future. Investment that could be turned to creating profits instead -- that already is.
A hundred years and more ago, socialist and fascist movements were competing heavily for followers. (Their leaders were drawn to both and incorporated elements of both in their new authoritarian ideologies.)
Socialism's need for an argument to persuade people to reject already embedded capitalism, with its comforts and even opportunity for riches, is where the claim that capitalism is a first step to fascism originated. Couched in long, dense, mostly pseudointellectual prose, but it's still the standard "be very afraid" tactic -- fascism's coming and going to eat you if you don't kill capitalism first.
It helps enormously, of course, that most people have no idea what fascism is -- don't need to know more than that it's very baad...
murielm99
(31,662 posts)marble falls
(63,204 posts)planetc
(8,413 posts)Lonestarblue
(12,234 posts)Truer words have never been spoken. And yet we are prosecuting Trump and his cabal of lawyers who pushed sedition for this crime. The crime of election interference is serious, but it sounds almost benign, as in Trump tried to interfere with your vote but it got counted anyway, so whats the problem! I understand the reasons not to charge his with sedition, but I sure wish the case were being described as something more than election interference. We all read and know that itnis, but for casual observers of the news it doesnt sound all that bad.
Dustlawyer
(10,519 posts)Campaign finance (legal bribes) and advertising dollars leveraging MSM to spew propaganda gives the PTB control of politicians and media. That allows manipulation of the electorate and gives us MAGATS who will not listen to reason and facts.
niyad
(122,093 posts)actually done it yet.
NJCher
(38,817 posts)a little Chianti.....
Martin Eden
(13,805 posts)So did Winston Churchill.
Several other good ones here, including the longer table instead of a taller fence.
burrowowl
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Wounded Bear
(61,272 posts)Wild blueberry
(7,386 posts)Churchill is correct.
republianmushroom
(18,708 posts)Permanut
(6,813 posts)Wait, maybe I should rephrase that.
raging moderate
(4,543 posts)Does anybody know what happened to Henry Wallace after he left public life? How did his life go after that?
GreenWave
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Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,769 posts)it should be the "DONOR" party............