Deep, Dark Water

[H2O Man]

The defendent is floundering in the deep dark waters of his mind. It is not to be mistaken for "the hero's journey," the common template of mythology, and perhaps best explained ny Joseph Campbell. No, this is an old man in the sea of his own making, fearing a shark, about to go under.

This trial will almost certainly take place before the scheduled May date for the stolen documents, for there does not appear to be any classified materials. The claim that he was following lawyers' advice is weak for three reasons. The lawyers you listened to are currently unindicted co-conspirators. More, that claim would allow the DoJ access to their communications ...... though it appearsthey have some. And third, this includes John Eastman's saying the fake electors plan might not be legal.

It is likely that most, if not all, of the unindicted co-conspirators will be indicted fairly soon. There is the possibility that one or more of these may have been given a pardon by the defendent in the final days of his presidency. If so, that would be a delighful thing to bring out in the defendent's trial. Keep in mind that it woul preclude an unindicted conspirator from claiming the 5th.

If several (or all) are indicted, they will look to protect their own individual behinds. It will be interesting to see how many, if any, accept legal representation paid for with a promise from the defendent. Reports suggest legal fees from the other cases have draine financial resources from the defendent's PAC. The defendent and co-conspirators in Florida have not had an easy time finding adequate representation.

Would even Sidney Powell think that a defendent sponsired lawyer would have her best interests at heart? Would any independent law firm willing to represent these people say that they should stick with the ex-president? Point fingers at one another? Be confident that Jack Smith is bringing a weak case that they can easily win? Or might they be more likely to recommend being the first one on the chopping block to try to make a dea?

Only time will tell.

[kentuck]

1. kick!

This day has exhausted me.

[H2O Man]

2. Thanks!

Same here! My oldest son will be here when he gets out of work at midnight, and I make a meal for us. Otherwise, I'd be sleeping. But I will enjoy watching the news with him while we eat.

[MerryBlooms]

3. Horrible soon to be indicted lawyers, hired Horrible lawyers...

Which, may also face challenges... Beaut! 😂

[H2O Man]

7. It has been reported

that the Smith Team may be looking in to how the defendent is financing the legal defenses. I assume that is speculation, though it may be informed speculation. I'm wishing for a rising tide in his ocean of legal troubles

[Martin Eden]

4. Loyalty is not a 2-way street with the defendant

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He demands it unconditionally from those who may think they are his allies but are only servants to the sociopathic defendant. It is all transactional in his lizard brain, and under the bus they go when servant becomes liability.

What are the Vegas odds that none of them perceive this and will continue to put the defendant's interests ahead of their own?

First among many applicable words come to mind in how the defendant has placed himself in Deep Dark Water:

Hubris.

This malignant narcissist has come to believe, not entirely without reason, that he can do whatever he wants without any serious consequences to himself.

Ultimately, belief in carte blanche immunity is a fatal delusion. The ocean is far greater than any megalomaniac. Therein swim deadly Jaws in many guises. Jack Smith is a merciless predator in the cause of Justice.

[H2O Man]

9. Late last night,

I communicated with the wife of a gentleman who has long provided me with solid information. She said that while the defendent will continue to pretend this doesn't bother him -- and to use it to raise money -- those around him say that the new indictments have him extremely upset.

Robert Mueller is someone I respect. But the investigation he headed took an extreme toll on him, which showed when he eventually testified. That is one reason that having Mr. Smith heading this is so good. He is a young man -- at least compared to me -- and has the energy to be on top of things all the way through.

[Hekate]

5. Kickety kick

[H2O Man]

10. Thank you!

[wnylib]

6. Lesson to Trump lawyers.

If you swim with a shark, don't be surprised when you get eaten.

[H2O Man]

11. Right.

I know every defendent deserves a fair trial, including good defense representation. Prosecutors prefer to face capable defense lawyers who make them prove their case, to reduce potential issues for an appeal. But I have to wonder who would want to represent this guy now? Maybe the answer lies in the identity of the unindicted co-conspirators.

[malaise]

8. A great OP

Make a deal or head to prison.

I mentioned you on another thread this morning - you always knew that the institutions would hold.

[H2O Man]

12. Thanks!

I find myself thinking back to our conversations from months ago -- some were quite a few months ago! -- as current events unfold. And I like how the new indictments include something that the J6 Committee focused on, including in their criminal referral to the DoJ: the attempted theft from the American voters. Everyone here really needs to focus on the implications for today and tomorrow, right up to the 2024 elections. We need to put forth our best efforts, for nothing short of that is required.

[malaise]

13. Agree with you 100% and although I was hoping for

criminal sedition as well, these charges are very very serious

[H2O Man]

14. I have full confidence

in Mr. Smith and his team to pick the exact charges with the highest chances for conviction. Yet I agree fully with you that sedition seems an obvious charge here.

I've been catching up on the morning news, and talking with a few people coast to coast. As a result, I am attempting a brief, focused essay to post this afternoon -- and I am not known for brief, docused OPs! Ha!

[malaise]

15. Looking forward to your essay