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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's easy to be a cheerleader.
It's a little more difficult to hold politicians' feet to the fire and to hold them accountable for campaign promises or insinuations.
It's easy to say, "My Party, Right or Wrong", and pretend it is the positive and right thing to do. It is more right to be critical when you think they are going in the wrong direction. It is not best to wait and see if they do it. Then it is too late.
Yes, we can all be happy that we won the last election and that we kicked Republicans asses. But victory in an election is meaningless unless there are deeds to follow.
We should not deal with hypothetical situations, but if these hypothetical situations have failed us in the past, we have an obligation to be skeptical. It is no longer a hypothetical, it is past history.
So lets keep cheering for our team, pom-poms if you have them, but lets keep our eye on the ball. We want to see different results or there will be a price to pay. We will not be silent. The election is over.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to stand in the corner throwing rocks.
Holding someone "accountable" is fine, so long as you have a realistic idea of what is politically doable.
Just saying!
kentuck
(111,083 posts)"realistic idea". What do you think is "realistic" ?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)starting with the state of things AS THEY ARE; as opposed to how we wish they were. And from there, what can be accomplished in that environment.
kentuck
(111,083 posts)Just curious.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)extremely favorable negotiating position.
And, IMHO, pushing the Senate Bill would place us in a stronger position since we can spend from now until whenever, whatever deal is cut highlighting what the public already knows of the modern gop.
As I see it, we're faced with a strategic choice, whether to pursue a all-in, but short-term tact, or a longer-term tact. The former would be pressing our advantage by forcing a "fiscal-cliff" deal - where the public, might or might not blame the gop when/if a deal isn't cut and everyone's taxes go up; or, the latter, pressing the Senate Bill that has passed the Senate and President Obama has said he is ready to sign, if the gop-controlled House would just act.
Which do you think the public would respond to more favorably, i.e., in 2014 and 2016?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The tougher the issue... or the more likely the issue is to impact congressional/administrations wallets, or big campaign donor wallets, then the harder we need to push and the more numbers we need to push with.
We need to keep calling, keep writing, keep trying to bring our issues and values into the mainstream.
And yes, real change often means dragging our representatives there kicking and screaming.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Obama must have charred stumps by now.
but he keeps on trucking and working hard for us all.
kentuck
(111,083 posts)You sure are quick to defend the President, aren't you?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Unwavering since 2007.
I know you consider that a fault, but I believe Obama has our best interests at heart (contrary to him being a Wall street stooge, a caver, and all those other names he gets called here, oh yeh, spineless, lazy) and he needs moral support to continue on, not snarling and backstabbing.
kentuck
(111,083 posts)Carry on.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)One might even say contor.. err.. flexibility.
And practice, constant and unremitting practice.
Not to mention you have to look good at the same time, no mean feat.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)kentuck
(111,083 posts)You don't like it?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I have a bit of trust for Obama. Did all of us uber lefties get exactly what we wanted with the ACA? No, but THIS President fucking passed it. He might bargain, and of course some will freak the fuck out, but in the end, this man is going to do what is best for this country, and he is going to move us forward. I stand behind him, and already have and will continue to hold his feet to the fire. But it's easy to sit in our chairs in front of our computers and judge while he has to face truly ugly people who want him to fail on a daily basis. Think about that.
kentuck
(111,083 posts)but that the President is doing what he thinks is best for the country.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)What would the alternative be? Doing what people on the internet think he should do instead? Or are you saying, "We didn't elect you to think - that's not your job."
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)No wonder things are so fucked up
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Knowing what's "uber lefty" and what's pragmatic moderate centrism.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The time to act is now before the deal is done.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I have posted their flier around town. I will participate in every action that they initiate.
http://www.aflcio.org/Get-Involved/Protect-Our-Future
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Political-Action-Legislation/We-Have-Eight-Weeks-to-Protect-Social-Security-Medicare-and-Medicaid
I have communicated with my Senators, my Rep, my Governor, and my President, asking specifically where they stand. (I don't expect an honest answer.)
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Sounds like some of the alarmist speculation just took a few days off, and now it's back. Oh noes, he's gonna CAVE!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)institute chained CPI and to cut Medicare and Medicaid. The deal fell through but if he was willing to give in then, why wouldn't he now?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)So what are you suggesting?
Is there someone organizing phone calls, letters, petitions and such?
Are we going to organize to bear pressure on Congress? Democrats and Republicans alike?
If so, I want to be a part of that!