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2021: The Russian military is second strongest in the world.
2022: The Russian military is second strongest in Ukraine
2023: The Russian military is second strongest in Russia

LoisB
(10,753 posts)Your friend sounds like real MAGAT tump apostle.gawd damn drooling fools.
LoisB
(10,753 posts)friends 4. I assume your snit was aimed at the wrong poster 5. You don't know me, I don't know you but I don't appreciate ANYONE saying FU to me.
I see now what happened. Definitely no offence was meant. Failing eyes. I- pad +- being held 3 or 5 inchs from face. Hunt and peck finger typing.. I find spell check maddening at times. Very frustrating. Still think the original was. Funny.
LoisB
(10,753 posts)JHB
(37,731 posts)tblue37
(66,619 posts)NJCher
(40,331 posts)eom
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)China and US are strongest in 2021. Putin's Russia was a troubling regional power.
ProfessorGAC
(73,078 posts)...this is a bit. The accuracy is less relevant.
But, we agree on their strength.
Like when Iraq had the 4th strongest military in world just before Desert Storm, and then the allied nation took 15 minutes to rout them.
If Russia didn't have leftover nukes, nobody would pay any attention to their military "power".
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)In 1979 when 3 'crack' divisions invaded Vietnam as a reaction to Vietnam's lightning strike and defeat of the Khmer Rouge the Vietnamese handed them their ass.
During the one month battle China suffered 30,000 fatalities compared to the US 65,000 over a decade.
Despite having massive numerical advantage and a sizeable armored presence of 500 tanks the Chinese were humiliated by Vietnam's second team as their best divisions were in Cambodia.
China had the advantages of numbers, equipment and a surprise attack and suffered massive loses from a defensive army that was made up 50% full time soldiers and 50% home guard part time soldiers.
China hasn't had much real time combat experience (unless you count attacking unarmed civilians at Tiananmen Square).
China may have the second best parade army but is not considered very effective as a military force. If you put China, Vietnam and North Korea into one on one battles China would be lucky to rank second out of these three.
Brookings Institute
Chinas military is simply not very good. The majority of its members serve in the ground forces, but so lack in transport and mobile logistics assets that they are more aptly described as internal security personnel. Their training ranges from spotty to poor. Moreover, the armed forces remain plagued by poor pay, nepotism and party favoritism, and attract few of Chinas brightest citizens.
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)evidence that their army would perform at elite levels on a battlefield.
Here is an article from March of this year:
The Myth of China's military might
https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-myth-of-chinas-military-might/
They have some of the same problems Russia has with corruption and nepotism.
Here is another article from the Journal of Foreign Affairs from last year
The Weakness behind China's Strong Facade.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/weakness-behind-china-strong-facade
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The fact is that China's battlefield capabilities are 100% untested and as Putin found out all of those beautiful numbers on papers doesn't translate to actual capability on the battlefield.
China's battlefield capabilities are highly suspect. They have had exactly one conflict in forty years and dramatically under performed in that conflict when they had vastly superior numbers, better equipment and launched a surprise attack. Any military that has not had actual battlefield experience is to a degree suspect but in no way could they be considered the second best army. Even comparing their nuclear capability is somewhat unclear because while they have the third highest number of nuclear weapons all are kept in reserve and not deployed.
relayerbob
(7,211 posts)The Russian army is the second strongest in Moscow.
IrishAfricanAmerican
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irisblue
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Before I put this on twitter, how do you want me to credit you?
IrishAfricanAmerican
(4,255 posts)Beastly Boy
(12,674 posts)I will send it to my friend. He will get a kick out of it!
Earth Bound Misfit
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liberalla
(10,536 posts)iluvtennis
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COL Mustard
(7,422 posts)Would they use them on Wagner? Who knows anymore?
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)but I doubt Russia will nuke itself
Beastly Boy
(12,674 posts)Wonder Why
(5,848 posts)1-6-2021 - Maggots are the second strongest army in DC
6-14-23 - Maggots are the second strongest army in the federal pens.
Bluethroughu
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