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Joinfortmill

(14,389 posts)
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 12:18 PM Jun 2023

Yup. The Money Leads Back to the Saudis...

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-saudis-2661186735/

'Former Trump lawyer gives DOJ a tip: Follow 'unholy relationships' with the Saudis'

'That is the opinion of former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen who visited with MSNBC host Katie Phang early Saturday morning to discuss the groundbreaking indictment of a former president...Claiming such an inquiry could already be in the process of being pursued, Cohen told the host that Trump as well as son-in-law Jared Kushner appear to have an "unholy" relationship with the Saudis.

"I mean, this whole two plus billion dollars to an unqualified hedge funder makes no sense to me, and in light of the information that came out, that there was military information on Iran, and we all know what that Saudi Arabia has had with Iranian aggression on their mind for a long time -- who knows what was shown to them? Who knows what was discussed? Who knows what was sold? None of us."'




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Yup. The Money Leads Back to the Saudis... (Original Post) Joinfortmill Jun 2023 OP
If We Had A Functioning Press modrepub Jun 2023 #1
MSM is Wall Street. Marcus IM Jun 2023 #2
Republicans own the media. They're not going to do any heavy lifting. live love laugh Jun 2023 #3
"Who knows what was sold?" LudwigPastorius Jun 2023 #4
As it so often does. peppertree Jun 2023 #5
Petrodollars Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #6
+1 2naSalit Jun 2023 #15
6 nations hatched a plot to elect Trump. The nations involved were Saudi Arabia, Russia, Israel, UAE Celerity Jun 2023 #7
What a great post, Celerity. There's so much information there - it'll take a while to digest. erronis Jun 2023 #8
here is the only link in the tweets I did not post directly Celerity Jun 2023 #11
here are snapshots of the tweets Celerity Jun 2023 #17
Thank you again for this. A technical question about getting those images erronis Jun 2023 #18
I just took snapshots with Gyazo from my reply on DU, super simple. Celerity Jun 2023 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jun 2023 #20
Wow, Thanks! 2naSalit Jun 2023 #16
Nuclear? moondust Jun 2023 #9
The grift/treason goes back to Kushner in the White House SayItLoud Jun 2023 #10
Yes have read this theory before. Not sure if timing right Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2023 #12
Remember the orange menace MOMFUDSKI Jun 2023 #13
Did you know... mgardener Jun 2023 #14

modrepub

(3,491 posts)
1. If We Had A Functioning Press
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 12:38 PM
Jun 2023

we would have known what TFG was doing with classified information almost immediately. TFG is sloppy, lazy and works right out in the open. The M$M only seems to be interested in playing "both siderism" so that they get hits on their articles. Keep the masses sniping at one another to feed their coffers. To hell with actually figuring out what's going on and who the hell is out of their minds.

live love laugh

(13,079 posts)
3. Republicans own the media. They're not going to do any heavy lifting.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:23 PM
Jun 2023

Usually they broadcast things that are inevitable and unavoidable—like the indictment. Even when they do, their coverage is shallow and full of false equivalency or contextual failures.

LudwigPastorius

(9,104 posts)
4. "Who knows what was sold?"
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:25 PM
Jun 2023

Well, it's starting to look like the "Iran attack plan" document that Trump crowed about was sold. Investigators can't find it.

The Saudis would surely love to have that, along with who-knows-what-else that Trump had in his possession.

Trump, his cronies, and Kushner all need to be thrown in Guantanamo until they talk.

Kid Berwyn

(14,795 posts)
6. Petrodollars
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:37 PM
Jun 2023

Big pot of gold there to buy, use and corrupt both the great and the small.

As a sidenote: The Saudis showered money on their American satraps, including the Bush family. They returned the favor with a couple of wars -- the first to keep Iraq's -- and by extension the world's -- hands off SA's oil; the second served to jack up prices and the worth of the holdings, five-fold.

Celerity

(43,107 posts)
7. 6 nations hatched a plot to elect Trump. The nations involved were Saudi Arabia, Russia, Israel, UAE
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:47 PM
Jun 2023
Bahrain, and Egypt. The leaders of these countries were all involved.

Three of these six nations—Russia, Israel, the UAE—had infiltrated deep into the Trump campaign by March 2016: Russia through Dimitri Simes; the UAE through Yousef al-Otaiba; Israel through Kushner, Groner, and Birnbaum. The campaign understood the plan these nations had.




























EXCLUSIVE: The secret yacht summit that realigned the Middle East

Arab leaders from UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Jordan plotted to counter Turkey and Iran, and replace the GCC and Arab League

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-secret-yacht-summit-realigned-middle-east



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How Trump was key to plans

The secret summit on the Red Sea took place towards the end of King Salman’s first year in power, when his son MBS was only deputy crown prince. His chief obstacle to the Saudi throne lay in the form of his elder cousin Mohammed bin Nayef, who was crown prince and a favourite of Washington’s security establishment. MBS would become crown prince in June 2017, only after his father deposed Bin Nayef. Trump had only announced his candidacy months before in June 2015 when the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton was leading in all the polls. She was thought by the Saudis and Emiratis to be more likely to ring fence the nuclear deal Barack Obama made with Iran, and to be generally more sceptical of their plans for a push back in the region.

Significantly, these Arab leaders decided in late 2015 that a wildcard presidential candidate in the shape of Trump could be the key to their plans to become the new regional hegemons. Months later, in January 2016, King Abdullah of Jordan briefed US Congressional leaders that Turkey presented the main threat to regional security. As MEE reported, the king told US congressmen in a closed meeting that Turkey exported terrorists to Europe, comments he was to deny publicly later. But Jordan then fell out dramatically with the group which had gathered on the yacht: Saudi Arabia decided that Amman did not go far enough in enforcing the blockade against Qatar, which was imposed in June last year. The split between Saudi and Jordan widened further when Jordan voted against Trump’s move to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which threatens Jordan’s role as custodian of the Holy Places in the city.

Nader the go-between

Nader has recently emerged as a key back channel between Bin Zayed and Trump. The New York Times has reported that Mueller is actively chasing financial links in order to establish whether the Emiratis illegally contributed funds to Trump’s presidential campaign. It reported that in recent weeks Mueller’s investigators have questioned Nader and pressed witnesses about any possible attempts by the Emiratis to buy political influence by directing money to Trump’s presidential campaign. On Friday, reports emerged of a slew of convictions that Nader had on charges of sexually abusing underage boys and possessing child pornography. Newsweek reported that Nader had been sentenced to six months on child pornography charges in Virginia. According to federal court records seen by Newsweek, Nader was convicted of bringing child pornography into the US from Germany. This was in addition to a conviction on 10 counts of sexually abusing underage boys in the Czech Republic for which he served one year in prison in 2003.



Despite this criminal history, Nader was actively used by Trump. He attended a meeting with Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, and Steve Bannon, his chief political strategists at Trump Tower in New York in December 2016. A month later Nader, Erik Prince, the former head of Blackwater, and a Russian banker all attended a meeting in the Seychelles with Bin Zayed. Nader has long-standing connections with Israel. During the presidential elections bin Zayed sent Nader to meet Israeli officials to discuss how the two states can co-operate, a source told MEE. Nader established ties with Israel through an American Jewish fundraiser, Elliott Broidy, who is close to the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

According to the NYT, Broidy owns a private security company with hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts with the UAE. Broidy was removed as chairman of the Tel Aviv-based Markstone Capital Partners after admitting paying nearly $1m in bribes to pension fund managers in New York State. Broidy became deputy chairman of Trump’s fundraising campaign. Citing a memorandum made by Broidy, and passed to the newspaper by “someone critical of the Emirati influence in Washington”, the NYT reported that Broidy lobbied Trump to meet Bin Zayed “in an informal setting”, to back the UAE’s policies, and to push him to fire his secretary of state, Rex Tillerson. In response to the leaking of his memorandum, Broidy accused “registered and unregistered agents of Qatar” for the hacking. Broidy made the accusation through his press spokesman and in a letter to the Qatari ambassador in Washington.

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Israeli, Saudi, and Emirati Officials Privately Pushed For Trump To Strike A Grand Bargain With Putin

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/israeli-saudi-and-emirati-officials-privately-pushed-for-trump-to-strike-a-grand-bargain-with-putin



https://archive.ph/QPfJW

During a private meeting shortly before the November, 2016, election, Mohammed bin Zayed, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, floated to a longtime American interlocutor what sounded, at the time, like an unlikely grand bargain. The Emirati leader told the American that Vladimir Putin, the Russian President, might be interested in resolving the conflict in Syria in exchange for the lifting of sanctions imposed in response to Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

Current and former U.S. officials said that bin Zayed, known as M.B.Z., was not the only leader in the region who favored rapprochement between the former Cold War adversaries. While America’s closest allies in Europe viewed with a sense of dread Trump’s interest in partnering with Putin, three countries that enjoyed unparallelled influence with the incoming Administration—Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the U.A.E.—privately embraced the goal. Officials from the three countries have repeatedly encouraged their American counterparts to consider ending the Ukraine-related sanctions in return for Putin’s help in removing Iranian forces from Syria.

Experts say that such a deal would be unworkable, even if Trump were interested. They say Putin has neither the interest nor the ability to pressure Iranian forces to leave Syria. Administration officials have said that Syria and Ukraine will be among the topics that Trump and Putin will discuss at their summit in Helsinki on July 16th. White House officials did not respond to a request for comment.

The special counsel, Robert Mueller, and his F.B.I. team, tasked with probing Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, have been investigating whether the U.A.E. facilitated contacts between Trump’s team and Russian officials and sought to influence U.S. politics. Nine days before Trump’s Inauguration, Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater and a confidant of Steve Bannon, met at M.B.Z.’s resort in the Seychelles with Kirill Dmitriev, the head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund, whom the Emiratis used as a go-between with Putin. (An April, 2017, Washington Post story that I co-wrote revealed the Indian Ocean encounter and stated that “the UAE agreed to broker the meeting in part to explore whether Russia could be persuaded to curtail its relationship with Iran, including in Syria, a Trump administration objective that would be likely to require major concessions to Moscow on U.S. sanctions.”)

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Exclusive: Jeffrey Epstein’s investment in an Israeli start-up reveals a myriad of links to Donald Trump and Israeli spies.

https://narativ.org/2019/07/27/building-big-brother/

It’s been thirty-two years since the “Pollard Affair” pierced the seemingly impenetrable facade of U.S.-Israeli relations. Now, two suspected Israeli agents are in jail – indicted on separate charges of sex trafficking of minors. Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein was arrested on July 6 and charged with trafficking minors across state lines. George Nader – a key witness for Robert Mueller – was arrested last month for possession of child porn and transporting a minor for sex from Europe.

Epstein and Nader share a personal network that includes Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, Erik Prince, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and his UAE counterpart, Mohamed Bin Zayed. But their association goes further than powerful friends and proclivities for teenage boys and girls. Epstein and Nader are believed to be agents for Israeli Intelligence. Narativ has independently confirmed with two separate sources who were in a position to know that Epstein worked for Israeli military intelligence.

Both men also have ties to a burgeoning Israeli tech sector which is bringing Mossad-style military intelligence to the private sector and endangering the global balance of power. The Haaretz newspaper has previously reported that Epstein, who was Donald Trump’s friend through the ’80s and ’90s, partnered in an Israeli start-up alongside former Israel Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

Barak is seeking to unseat Benjamin Netanyahu as Israeli Prime Minister in the upcoming re-run elections scheduled for September. Since 2015, he has been the front-man for Carbyne, an Israeli start-up which purports to be a high-tech solution for 911 emergency call centers, but the platform’s architecture and investors raise serious privacy concerns. Narativ undertook an extensive investigation into Carbyne, and can now reveal a myriad of troubling connections between the start-up and people connected to Donald Trump.

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Ukrainian-born Viktor Vekselberg is close to Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen. He’s been in business with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak for 5 years.



Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak (center) with the three co-founders of Carbyne (formerly Reporty). Alex Dizengof, Amir Elichai and Lital Leshem. All four are tied to Israeli military intelligence or cybersecurity.



A rare photo of Joel Zamel obtained by Narativ (center), Erik Prince of Frontier Resource Group (left) and George Nader (right). All three men attended a meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. on August 3 2016 to discuss a social media manipulation plan by Zamel’s Psy Group.




erronis

(15,181 posts)
8. What a great post, Celerity. There's so much information there - it'll take a while to digest.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:57 PM
Jun 2023

Thank you for including the reference links.

Since I don't allow twitter content on my systems, those links are less helpful (unless I open in private windows.)

Celerity

(43,107 posts)
11. here is the only link in the tweets I did not post directly
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:37 PM
Jun 2023
The Most Powerful Arab Ruler Isn’t M.B.S. It’s M.B.Z.

Prince Mohammed bin Zayed expanded the U.A.E.’s power by following America’s lead. He now has an increasingly bellicose agenda of his own. And President Trump seems to be following him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/world/middleeast/crown-prince-mohammed-bin-zayed.html

https://archive.is/OlWeX


erronis

(15,181 posts)
18. Thank you again for this. A technical question about getting those images
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:47 PM
Jun 2023

Did you have to get each from twitter, snapshot it and copy to an image storage service, and then paste into DU?

If so, or in any case, that's a helluva job.

Seth Abramson has been a good source for this material although he has had detractors. He now seems extremely prescient. I don't see much of him cited recently here.

Celerity

(43,107 posts)
19. I just took snapshots with Gyazo from my reply on DU, super simple.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:54 PM
Jun 2023

As for the tweets, I posted the articles backing it all up. It has all been a matter of public record for years.

here is Gyazo:

https://gyazo.com/en

Response to erronis (Reply #18)

moondust

(19,958 posts)
9. Nuclear?
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:05 PM
Jun 2023
Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister said after meeting with the visiting U.S. secretary of state on Thursday that while the kingdom would welcome U.S. aid in building its civilian nuclear program, “there are others that are bidding.”
~
Amid Blinken visit, top Saudi diplomat says kingdom seeks U.S. nuclear aid

Civilian? And how difficult is it to convert "civilian" to "military"?

SayItLoud

(1,701 posts)
10. The grift/treason goes back to Kushner in the White House
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:20 PM
Jun 2023

The Kushner company was going to be bankrupt due to their failing investment in what I call the devil building 666 Park Ave, NYC. They were months away from this fate because no one or companies would lease in the building which was old and needed a lot of upgrading. Then after meetings in Saudi Arabia with Kushner and team, tRUMP giving MBS a "he's an OK guy"....suddenly someone in the middle east leased that building for 1 Billion dollars. This prevented the bankruptcy.

No banks will load to tRUMP Org. but Saudis make him part of LIV Golf. Kushner gets 2 Billion.

IT's WHAT WE DON'T KNOW that we should be concerned about.

Follow the money anytime and every time one of the dirty rotten tRUMPS or Kushners get an infusion of cash.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. Yes have read this theory before. Not sure if timing right
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:48 PM
Jun 2023

since Jared got the $$ quote a while ago. That doesn't mean he didn't share info back then tho. I mean really, what would be the difference between then and non-president now?

mgardener

(1,812 posts)
14. Did you know...
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:04 PM
Jun 2023

But days later the full board of the $620 billion Public Investment Fund — led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler and a beneficiary of Mr. Kushner’s support when he worked as a White House adviser — overruled the panel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html#:~:text=Six%20months%20after%20leaving%20the,the%20merits%20of%20the%20deal.

Jared Kushner got his money from the same people that are buying the PGA?
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/06/pga-tour-agrees-to-merge-with-saudi-backed-rival-liv-golf.html

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