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Could Texas go blue in 2024? Trend is state is becoming purple. (Original Post) Willis88 Jun 2023 OP
I really hope so TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #1
Even Texas doesn't want to be Florida Man Willis88 Jun 2023 #9
Why? ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #48
Abbott and his crew are doing their best... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2023 #2
Well, you keep thinking that if you want to ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #47
Nope. Freethinker65 Jun 2023 #3
Unlikely. TwilightZone Jun 2023 #4
Any estimates as to when? Willis88 Jun 2023 #7
Why do you assume that people moving from blue states are liberal? ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #45
I've been on DU 20 years and heard it was possible since 2008. Ilsa Jun 2023 #5
Hoping there is karma - law of unintended consequences. Galvanize people to vote in greater numbers Willis88 Jun 2023 #8
But it does get more purple with each cycle. Elessar Zappa Jun 2023 #23
Even longer than that. I am still waiting. scarletlib Jun 2023 #32
Next year? No. dalton99a Jun 2023 #6
Ha Ha Ha..... 617Blue Jun 2023 #10
According to this guy, already is... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #11
Love Beau but he left out Texas having the lowest voter access in the union. That has nothing to do uponit7771 Jun 2023 #18
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Willis88 Jun 2023 #35
No, too much voter suppression going on JCMach1 Jun 2023 #12
Great minds, Texas has the lowest voter access in the union (link) uponit7771 Jun 2023 #16
Texas has ID law, it currently takes 4+ months for and IF, or DL appointment JCMach1 Jun 2023 #50
No. Raftergirl Jun 2023 #13
Texas has the lowest voter "**ACCESS** in the union, it's technically an autocracy uponit7771 Jun 2023 #14
Nope. obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2023 #15
Not when they don't count the votes edhopper Jun 2023 #17
I doubt it In It to Win It Jun 2023 #19
Could Texas go blue in 2020? brooklynite Jun 2023 #20
No. That myth has been going around since 08. Autumn Jun 2023 #21
Biden's not winning Texas Polybius Jun 2023 #22
I never say never...I do believe the 24 election will favor us a great deal. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #24
Still do the 50 state strategy Polybius Jun 2023 #28
Texas was the third weakest red state in 2020, behind NC and Florida. dawg Jun 2023 #26
An incredibly unpopular (with Covid still freshly on our minds) Trump won by 6 points in 2020 Polybius Jun 2023 #29
After the former moronic secretary of state confessing to stealing the election for tRUMP, SWBTATTReg Jun 2023 #25
We hear this every election. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #27
If actual voter preference mattered, perhaps Silent3 Jun 2023 #30
They've been saying this the last 4 elections. Initech Jun 2023 #31
Supporters of this idea cited the growing population of Hispanic and Latino voters in Texas. Aristus Jun 2023 #38
and we have a winner Celerity Jun 2023 #39
Texas will turn blue LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2023 #33
This. :) The demographic progression is only one of the Hortensis Jun 2023 #36
We have family in Texas TexasDem69 Jun 2023 #34
Democrats poured millions into Florida f_townsend Jun 2023 #37
No. nt Celerity Jun 2023 #40
No. Maybe never will. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2023 #41
Not any time soon pinkstarburst Jun 2023 #42
Every 4 year I hear Texas and Florida are going blue Johonny Jun 2023 #43
Obama won twice in Florida ITAL Jun 2023 #46
Good point Willis88 Jun 2023 #52
LOL No. That won't happen ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #44
Never underestimate the Underclass Subservience in an Apartheid locale UTUSN Jun 2023 #49
Yes. I suppose it could. Captain Stern Jun 2023 #51

TexasDem69

(1,679 posts)
1. I really hope so
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:03 AM
Jun 2023

But I really doubt it. 2020 wasn’t particularly close—as unpopular as Trump was he still won by roughly 3.5%. And Abbott hammered Beto in 2022.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
48. Why?
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 10:09 PM
Jun 2023

Where do you get evidence for this assertion?

Because nothing I've seen from the state indicates they're getting significantly less red by 2024.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,728 posts)
2. Abbott and his crew are doing their best...
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:04 AM
Jun 2023

To control what happens in Harris County.

In retrospect, that could backfire as more voters in Texas become more aware, they will be even more determined to turn out to vote and fight the forces to suppress them.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
47. Well, you keep thinking that if you want to
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 10:07 PM
Jun 2023

But, honestly, that's not how it will work.

You're assuming facts not in evidence.

Few people pay attention to political inside baseball like the Harris County election theft. I bet if you asked Harris County residents about it, you wouldn't get a majority who know about it. And a whole bunch of those who do think it's a great idea.

I strongly suspect that the numbers of those who know about it, never mind disagree with it, does not improve in the way you think it would when you get outside of Harris County.

There is no reason to think that an overwhelming number cares about or opposes the issue at all. No survey has shown it, so you'll need to explain where you get the idea that they would.

TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
4. Unlikely.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:11 AM
Jun 2023

There are still roughly one million more Republican voters than Democrats in the state. It's trending purple, but it's likely going to take longer than many anticipate until we have the numbers to win statewide races.

Willis88

(109 posts)
7. Any estimates as to when?
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:49 AM
Jun 2023

Texas is rapidly growing, and a lot of that growth is from blue states. A fact that repubs in Texas are well aware, hence the unconstitutional attempt to disenfranchise Harris voters.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
5. I've been on DU 20 years and heard it was possible since 2008.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:26 AM
Jun 2023

Furthermore, Abbott's Legislature can disqualify Harris County (Houston) any time the results go Blue.

Willis88

(109 posts)
8. Hoping there is karma - law of unintended consequences. Galvanize people to vote in greater numbers
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:50 AM
Jun 2023

Elessar Zappa

(13,911 posts)
23. But it does get more purple with each cycle.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:05 PM
Jun 2023

If that trend continues, then Texas will go blue at some point. It may be 2032 or 2036 but I strongly believe it’ll happen.

2naSalit

(86,332 posts)
11. According to this guy, already is...
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:03 AM
Jun 2023

I think he's right. And I think that a quieter, more sophisticated version is going on in my state because it was purple until 2016. (4:08)





JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
50. Texas has ID law, it currently takes 4+ months for and IF, or DL appointment
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 05:30 AM
Jun 2023

Where the document requirements are off the chain burdensome.

They also created a system (including their websites) that always seem to give incomplete, or incorrect information.

Took months and months for my 77yo mom WITH all proper documentation to get her ID and voter registration.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
14. Texas has the lowest voter "**ACCESS** in the union, it's technically an autocracy
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:53 AM
Jun 2023

Texas is already blue, it's just repressed... Lower voter turnout In the last election than before

Voter suppression works and MAGA 8s going to put it into overdrive

brooklynite

(94,359 posts)
20. Could Texas go blue in 2020?
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jun 2023

Could Texas go blue in 2018?

No.

When people point out that "Beto O'Rourke only lost by 2 pts", they fail to realize that the size of the Texas electorate is so big that 2 pts equals a quarter of a million votes. That's a huge margin to cover, and I see no sign the Democrats are able to cover it today.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
24. I never say never...I do believe the 24 election will favor us a great deal.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jun 2023

Time will tell. Certainly, every state deserves to have folks campaign there...without a 50-state strategy, we will have no chance at winning the majorities that we need in Congress to accomplish what needs to be done.

Polybius

(15,336 posts)
28. Still do the 50 state strategy
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:37 PM
Jun 2023

Or as I like to say, the 47 state strategy, since 3 are hopeless. But sure, campaign in Texas. We won't win the Presidency there, but may make local gains (although I doubt it in a Presidential year, but we can try).

dawg

(10,621 posts)
26. Texas was the third weakest red state in 2020, behind NC and Florida.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:22 PM
Jun 2023

It's way more purple now than places like Iowa and Indiana.

Polybius

(15,336 posts)
29. An incredibly unpopular (with Covid still freshly on our minds) Trump won by 6 points in 2020
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:40 PM
Jun 2023

I don't see how we do better, but feel free to bookmark.

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
25. After the former moronic secretary of state confessing to stealing the election for tRUMP,
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:19 PM
Jun 2023

Texans I think are mad and bound to vote massively in numbers to make it up.

Silent3

(15,148 posts)
30. If actual voter preference mattered, perhaps
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:48 PM
Jun 2023

But Republicans are using their current power to suppress Democratic votes, even setting themselves up to override elections where Democrats win.

Texas probably can't go blue until the voters are so overwhelmingly blue that Republican corruption is overpowered. That probably won't happen anytime soon.

Initech

(100,040 posts)
31. They've been saying this the last 4 elections.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 01:34 PM
Jun 2023

Until it actually happens, I will believe it. Fox News has an iron grip on that state. We need to start loosening it now.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
38. Supporters of this idea cited the growing population of Hispanic and Latino voters in Texas.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 06:47 PM
Jun 2023

But it looks like the trend is toward more Hispanic voters supporting the GOP due to cultural conservatism. Texas turning Blue is going to have to wait.

Celerity

(43,120 posts)
39. and we have a winner
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 06:56 PM
Jun 2023
But it looks like the trend is toward more Hispanic voters supporting the GOP due to cultural conservatism.




plus a huge amount (nationwide) switching from Catholicism to RW fundie evangelicalism

I have posted on this for years

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,936 posts)
33. Texas will turn blue
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 01:45 PM
Jun 2023

There are a good number of die hard Democrats working to turn Texas blue. Greg Abbot and the Texas GOP are working hard to stop this process. There are some demographic trends that make me smile. Texas is becoming less rural and more urban/suburban. The GOP strenght is in rural areas. Texas is becoming younger and more liberal as older GOP voters are dying off.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. This. :) The demographic progression is only one of the
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 05:59 PM
Jun 2023

inexorable writings on the wall. When, not if what the Republicans have become is rejected by most.

TexasDem69

(1,679 posts)
34. We have family in Texas
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 02:22 PM
Jun 2023

Who are lifelong Republicans and voted for Biden in 2020. I’m sure that happened all over the state and Trump still won comfortably. Abbott beat Beto by 10 points in 2022. I wonder if McConaughey would have a chance against Abbott or as a senate candidate but someone incredibly popular as a person is the only hope I see. Sort of a reverse Schwarzenegger.

 

f_townsend

(260 posts)
37. Democrats poured millions into Florida
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 06:42 PM
Jun 2023

and got nothing. Meanwhile, states that should have never have turned GOP, like Wisconsin, got neglected and didn't get campaign money, and Democrats lost their grip there, too.

Unless a genius Democratic strategist emerges, I don't see Texas turning blue anytime soon.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,486 posts)
41. No. Maybe never will.
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 07:01 PM
Jun 2023

With the amount of suppression and the fact that Hispanic voters are more conservative than conventional wisdom expects, it may never go blue.

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
42. Not any time soon
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:29 PM
Jun 2023

Makes me sad to say this, as a Texan. Beto was our best hope. We have absolutely no one who can come close to winning a statewide election like he almost did against Ted Cruz, and I don't see Biden/Harris having a shot, sorry.

ITAL

(626 posts)
46. Obama won twice in Florida
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 10:07 PM
Jun 2023

It hasn't been that long.

Texas hasn't voted for a Democrat since Jimmy Carter.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
44. LOL No. That won't happen
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 09:55 PM
Jun 2023

The rural areas are deep-fried red, and enough of the MAGAts live in burbs and cities to overtake the liberal strongholds. As Latinos become less "otherized" in the state--and more of them join evangelical churches, they're becoming more MAGAt, too.

I hope it will go red, but hope counts for bugger all in politics. I expect it to stay red until I die, because the odds say that is the more likely scenario.

Lots of hate in Texas. Always has been.

Captain Stern

(2,199 posts)
51. Yes. I suppose it could.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 07:56 AM
Jun 2023

Anything is possible, I guess.

But when the 'trend' is that the state is 'becoming' 'purple"...that's not looking good for 2024.

I'd say more like 2044.

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