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usonian

(16,621 posts)
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:51 AM May 2023

India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks -- experts are baffled

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01770-y
In India, children under 16 returning to school this month at the start of the school year will no longer be taught about evolution, the periodic table of elements, or sources of energy.



The news that evolution would be cut from the curriculum for students aged 15–16 was widely reported last month, when thousands of people signed a petition in protest. But official guidance has revealed that a chapter on the periodic table will be cut, too, along with other foundational topics such as sources of energy and environmental sustainability. Younger learners will no longer be taught certain pollution- and climate-related topics, and there are cuts to biology, chemistry, geography, mathematics and physics subjects for older school students.

Mythili Ramchand, a science-teacher trainer at the Tata Institute of Social Sciences in Mumbai, India, says that “everything related to water, air pollution, resource management has been removed. “I don’t see how conservation of water, and air [pollution], is not relevant for us. It’s all the more so currently,” she adds. A chapter on different sources of energy — from fossil fuels to renewables — has also been removed. “That’s a bit strange, quite honestly, given the relevance in today’s world,” says Osborne. ...

Aditya Mukherjee, a historian at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Dehli, says that changes to the curriculum are being driven by Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a mass-membership volunteer organization that has close ties to India’s governing Bharatiya Janata Party. The RSS feels that Hinduism is under threat from India’s other religions and cultures.

“There is a movement away from rational thinking, against the enlightenment and Western ideas” in India, adds Sucheta Mahajan, a historian at Jawaharlal Nehru University who collaborates with Mukherjee on studies of RSS influence on school texts. Evolution conflicts with creation stories, adds Mukherjee. History is the main target, but “science is one of the victims”, she adds.


Lots more at the Nature URL above.
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India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks -- experts are baffled (Original Post) usonian May 2023 OP
Welcome To The Wonderful World Of Hindu Fundamentalism, Sir The Magistrate May 2023 #1
THIS malaise May 2023 #9
Anti-intellectual anti-science religions will be the death of our world civilization. hunter May 2023 #15
India has produced some excellent engineers and other scientists. Ocelot II May 2023 #2
Religious idiocy is linked to most religions malaise May 2023 #10
:) Truth. Demonizing science and religion has never defeated either, Hortensis May 2023 #14
I don't "demonize" all religion... hunter May 2023 #16
i'm with you most of the way but don't feel I have Hortensis May 2023 #18
"There is a movement away from rational thinking" ...... anciano May 2023 #3
Good grief, the whole f'ing world is going crazy. Biophilic May 2023 #4
Well yoga is allowed in Al Abama schools after a 30 year ban underpants May 2023 #5
Everyone is so dang worried about everyone else's. Biophilic May 2023 #13
How in the hell Jilly_in_VA May 2023 #6
As I've said before... Archae May 2023 #7
Religion is always problematic it seems ismnotwasm May 2023 #8
Most likely, they will learn how to pray successfully for getting free stuff. (Steal the stuff NCjack May 2023 #11
Anti-intellectualism is common in many human societies... hunter May 2023 #17
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some schools in the US that wanted to do this sakabatou May 2023 #12
So will they have a new periodic table? Fritz67 May 2023 #19

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
1. Welcome To The Wonderful World Of Hindu Fundamentalism, Sir
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:56 AM
May 2023

The wildest dreams of our 'young earth' fundamentalists are as molehills to its mountains....

malaise

(282,072 posts)
9. THIS
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:29 PM
May 2023

This is what follows the surge in ignorance

An Indian official has been suspended from his job for wasting hundreds of thousands of gallons of water after ordering a reservoir drained in a bid to find his cellphone.



hunter

(39,414 posts)
15. Anti-intellectual anti-science religions will be the death of our world civilization.
Wed May 31, 2023, 02:03 PM
May 2023

They do not deserve our "tolerance."

Ocelot II

(123,747 posts)
2. India has produced some excellent engineers and other scientists.
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:58 AM
May 2023

Not any more?

Religious idiocy is not limited to evangelical Christianity.

hunter

(39,414 posts)
16. I don't "demonize" all religion...
Wed May 31, 2023, 02:19 PM
May 2023

... only the anti-intellectual religions.

If you believe in gods or other sorts of creators then they must have given us brains expecting we'd use them.

If you don't believe in gods or creators it's still your obligation, by any standard of ethical humanity, to use whatever brains you've got.

Bloody hell yes, there are religions and ideologies I will not tolerate.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. i'm with you most of the way but don't feel I have
Wed May 31, 2023, 02:49 PM
May 2023

a right to not "tolerate" genuine religious beliefs or ideologies in themselves. For me that needs an explanation that hurting others with them is where continued tolerance needs to be enabled by protections of others.

"Our rights end where another man's nose begins." But until then!

Not sure obliging people to use whatever brains we had would fit that principle, but the use itself sounds good. Like to think we'd have a better world for it... For sure it'd be different.



anciano

(1,724 posts)
3. "There is a movement away from rational thinking" ......
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:58 AM
May 2023

Spot on! That one phrase speaks volumes, not only for the situation there, but for here as well.

Biophilic

(5,391 posts)
4. Good grief, the whole f'ing world is going crazy.
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:02 PM
May 2023

And this was done under the supervision of "experts"?

underpants

(189,418 posts)
5. Well yoga is allowed in Al Abama schools after a 30 year ban
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:11 PM
May 2023

Alabama Will Now Allow Yoga In Its Public Schools (But Students Can't Say 'Namaste')


https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999020140/its-now-legal-to-practice-yoga-in-alabamas-public-schools


Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey has signed a bill to allow public schools to offer yoga, ending a ban that stood for nearly 30 years. Christian conservatives who back the ban said yoga would open the door for people to be converted to Hinduism.

The new law allows yoga to be offered as an elective for grades K-12. While it erases a ban that, over the years, some schools had not realized existed, it also imposes restrictions on how yoga should be taught. Students won't be allowed to say, "Namaste," for instance. Meditation is not allowed.

"Chanting, mantras, mudras, use of mandalas, induction of hypnotic states, guided imagery, and namaste greetings shall be expressly prohibited," the bill states. It also requires English names be used for all poses and exercises. And before any students try a tree pose, they'll need a parent's permission slip.

Biophilic

(5,391 posts)
13. Everyone is so dang worried about everyone else's.
Wed May 31, 2023, 01:39 PM
May 2023

It’s really creepy and getting more and more dangerous. Who’s going to be the first asshole to break in to a school in Alabama to save the poor little Christian children?

Jilly_in_VA

(11,706 posts)
6. How in the hell
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:13 PM
May 2023

do they expect to have doctors in India if the kids don't learn the periodic table? I ask you.

Archae

(47,060 posts)
7. As I've said before...
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:22 PM
May 2023

Wherever fundys pop up, they cause havoc.

And fundys *HATE* science.

ismnotwasm

(42,617 posts)
8. Religion is always problematic it seems
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:26 PM
May 2023

Also, how do you get into the sciences without foundational knowledge? What do they want this kids to learn?

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
11. Most likely, they will learn how to pray successfully for getting free stuff. (Steal the stuff
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:38 PM
May 2023

and pray for forgiveness.)

hunter

(39,414 posts)
17. Anti-intellectualism is common in many human societies...
Wed May 31, 2023, 02:42 PM
May 2023

... especially here in the U.S.A., even among the irreligious.

I can't even tell you how many atheists I've met who've abandoned the religions of their youth but kept all the anti-intellectual baggage of those religions.

Every child is naturally born an artist and a scientist. Certain religions and ideologies survive by beating these inborn traits out of their own children.

The answer to your question is that there is much they don't want their children to learn. The greatest threat to their beliefs is the natural curiosity of children.

sakabatou

(44,324 posts)
12. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some schools in the US that wanted to do this
Wed May 31, 2023, 01:09 PM
May 2023

Or at least, people in power.

Fritz67

(364 posts)
19. So will they have a new periodic table?
Wed May 31, 2023, 04:00 PM
May 2023

One that will only have air, fire, earth, and water on it?

Sheesh...

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