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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:43 PM

Krugman: Organization


James Fallows says something I’ve been thinking, too:


Indeed. It actually started during primary season, when — as too many have forgotten — the GOP field seemed (and was) dominated by ridiculous figures. Obama almost rehabilitated the thing with his bobble in the first debate, but he and his party pulled it back together; the Democratic campaign seemed professional, while the Republicans seemed like the Keystone Kops. Karl Rove’s image has gone from terrifying master of politics to overpaid crybaby.

But I’d go even further: the Democrats now look like the natural party of government. Bush had already established a reputation for being unable to get anything right in the actual business of governing; all that was supposedly left was political prowess, and now that’s gone too. And even the news media have, I think, begun to notice that we aren’t the “center-right” country of fantasy, we’re a diverse nation, ethnically and otherwise, in which a lot of liberal ideas have become perfectly mainstream.

Still, hubris and all that: this newly effective coalition could be shattered if taken for granted. And you know what could really produce the kind of dispirited base that was supposed to doom Obama in 2012? A sellout on key Democratic values as part of a Grand Bargain. If, say, Obama raises the retirement age in return for vague promises on revenue (promises that would be betrayed at the first opportunity); if he appoints a deficit scold to a major economic post; it could all fall apart.


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iemitsu Nov 2012 #1
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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:54 PM

1. Krugman is right. I have already been rialed up about Obama

suggesting he would compromise on Social Security. That is not acceptable.
Working Americans had their retirement savings stolen when the economy crashed. We have not seen a real wage increase in the last 35 years. We paid for Social Security and Obama has no business bargaining it away or even reducing payments or pushing back the retirement age. None.
Because irresponsible rich people gambled away our wealth does not mean we should compromise with those same people so they don't have to contribute their share.
If Obama wants to be the most hated president in American history he will tamper with Social Security. If not, he will leave it alone or strengthen it (larger payments and earlier retirement).

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Response to iemitsu (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:06 PM

2. I'm feeling pretty good.

This is a conversation made possible by President Obama's re-election.

A mandate on ending tax cuts for the rich

Patty Murray: If GOP Refuses All Tax Hikes, We’ll Let Them Go Up And Start Over

SPINE! President Obama Will Let ALL the Bush Tax Cuts Expire......if he doesn't get what he wants.

I'm not going to do that!!!!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:37 AM

5. Thanks for the links.

I, of course, am very happy the election turned out as it did and I will try to be optimistic about the next few years.
Please don't think I don't support President Obama, because I do. I think highly of his character, work ethic, humor and diligence. He inherited a mess and congress has not worked well with him. For that he deserves praise, not blame. He has been treated, by some, in the most unbelievable and disrespectful ways. For putting up with that he has earned my respect and admiration.
I believe he is a good man. He tries hard to appease his enemies, a quality I find admirable in his personal life and as a diplomatic tool but I don't want him appeasing the republicans with my earned benefits.
Our debt is the result of the republicans, and their uber-rich allies spending our money as fast as they can, on wars and tax breaks for themselves, whenever they are in power. They do this for two reasons, so democratic administrations have no money to spend and to force the dissolution of the social safety net (which they have been trying to destroy since it was created).
We would have no debt if they paid their share of the bills. Instead they borrow (against our labor) for their share while we pay more than we can afford.
There should be no compromise on Social Security or Medicare, period.

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Response to iemitsu (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:22 PM

3. I'm


hoping those three Debates taught our President something. The other side tries to demean the people that actually has given him the power he has. You don't throw the people who gave the power to you under the bus for the other side that wants to bring you down. You deal from a position of strength. As soom as he won the Election, that was the chorus you heard coming from the other side, including these so called arrogant pundits, that wasn't elected to hold any office. I and many others voted for this President, and it offends me when these pundits, refer to me as some fringe element. His power comes from us.

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Response to John2 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:59 PM

4. Wonderful grasp of reality

As long as Democrats remain firmly rooted in reality, we'll have progress.

Leave bubbles, delusions and straw men to the right wing.

We won. The President can deal on his own terms. We gave him a mandate.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:49 AM

6. Yeah, Obama gave us a mandate and we gave him one

I think it's only a matter of time before Senator Clinton's comment about showing proof of insurance at the job interview will prove prophetic indeed.

Mandate is a sore spot with me.

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