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Thu May 25, 2023, 05:56 AM

If justice is permitted to die, then democracy dies.

The Preamble to the Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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Reply If justice is permitted to die, then democracy dies. (Original post)
kentuck Thursday OP
bucolic_frolic Thursday #1
2naSalit Thursday #2
kentuck Thursday #3
OldBaldy1701E Thursday #4
kentuck Thursday #6
Magoo48 Thursday #8
kentuck Thursday #9
2naSalit Thursday #10
Hortensis Thursday #15
Ohioboy Thursday #5
kentuck Thursday #7
jaxexpat Thursday #13
2naSalit Thursday #11
OldBaldy1701E Thursday #12
Hortensis Thursday #14

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 06:35 AM

1. "domestic Tranquility" should not be overlooked either

With a capital 'T' no less. Preamble being foundational to original intent. Need some lawyers to dust off the US Constitution and argue some 2A "well-regulated militia" cases before the Right Wing-owned SCOTUS.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #1)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:16 AM

2. Also...

Promote the general welfare.
And the word welfare in this context is different from what many now perceive.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:52 AM

3. I can imagine the debates the Founders must have had over which to put first?

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:56 AM

4. That is the one part of the Preamble that those rethugs always skim quickly past.

They loudly declare that 'WE THE PEOPLE...' and so on, but when they get to that line, they tend to mumble and rush past it. Because they do not believe in that part for one second. And, as soon as these idiots under the rethug spell see the damage firsthand (because they will not believe anything or do anything until it affects them personally), they will see just what that phrase means and why it is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE ENTIRE PREAMBLE.

mini rant over.

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Response to OldBaldy1701E (Reply #4)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:03 AM

6. That's true.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:05 AM

8. Yes, our common welfare is now morphed into justice and welfare for the morbidly rich.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #8)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:06 AM

9. Amen!

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #8)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:07 AM

10. It has...

And they want to make sure they control everything so it stays that way.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #2)

Thu May 25, 2023, 09:14 AM

15. Absolutely. Liberal interpretation of the general welfare clause

is a huge part of the foundation for all our federal social programs.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:01 AM

5. "Provide for the common defense" gets forgotten all too often as well

The 2nd Amendment is about "common defense" and not a license for insurrection as the NRA has brainwashed many to think.

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Response to Ohioboy (Reply #5)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:05 AM

7. Great point!

And it is supposed to be well-regulated?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #7)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:36 AM

13. The contemporary 2nd amendment discussion is so convoluted it could only exist....

in an arena of intentional misunderstanding. If unlimited concealed carry is a citizen's right and corporations deserve the recognition of actual human beings the constitution is beyond vulnerable.

Is it too late to trust your own eyes when it's safer to close them tightly?

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Response to Ohioboy (Reply #5)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:07 AM

11. +1

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Response to Ohioboy (Reply #5)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:31 AM

12. All the rethugs read that one as "We need more military!" (n/t)

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 09:13 AM

14. If democracy dies, justice dies. Justice is a product of government

of, by and for the people.

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