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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMormon Church 'earns' 7 Billion per year- Time to Start Taxing the Churches!
Why were they traditionally exempt from paying income and property tax?
Because there was supposed to be a separation of church and state, and they were supposed to stay out of matters of the state.
They crossed the line, and they need to be held accountable.
I have read so many accounts of political bullshit being said in church, being printed in church newsletters...they are not even trying to hide it.
They have no business taking so much tax revenue from us to perpetuate their lies and misdeeds.
Cragun and Reuters estimate that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints brings in some $7 billion annually in tithes and other donations.
It owns about $35 billion worth of temples and meeting houses around the world, and controls farms, ranches, shopping malls and other commercial ventures worth many billions more.
The church has plowed resources into a multi-billion-dollar global network of for-profit enterprises: it is the largest rancher in the United States, a church official told Nebraska's Lincoln Journal Star in 2004, with other ranches and farms in Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Australia and Great Britain, according to financial documents reviewed by Reuters.
Ranching and farm industry sources say they are well-run operations.
It also has a small media empire, an investment fund, and is developing a mall across from its Salt Lake City headquarters, which it calls an attempt to help revitalize the city rather than to make money.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-church-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite
Why is this acceptable?
msongs
(67,394 posts)RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)to cover their asses.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)They helped and funded prop 8 here in Ca.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)The churches have become so arrogant, they need to be held accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Not to mention producing faulty products that endanger life and limb.
byeya
(2,842 posts)has vast legal resources if they would only be allowed by the Sec'y of Treasury and President to enforce the regulations.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)it's bizarre.
And their money crap is even more bizzare.
I want all this religion-gets-tax-breaks garbage stopped.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)I think they have been buying everything they can get their hands on.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)for, then they need to pay to play. My preference is that the separation between church and state be strictly maintained. We are not a theocracy. I want to see us start tossing that word around more because the notion that one's religious practices are being discriminated against cuts more than one way. Your freedom may very well be oppressive to me. Keep those practices in your home and your congregation, whatever form it takes.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)manages so called Charitable Remained Unitrust's for it's wealthy members;i.e. Willard Mitt Romney and Family to the tune off Hundreds of Millions and pay zero taxes. I want a deal like that for all of us and not just the one-half of one per cents. F---en thieves and shilocks.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)Now we need to demand an end to that shit!
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)It doesn't pay real estate taxes or income at the state and federal level on Churches and educational stuff. But all their businesses should be on the tax roll...
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)a huge money laundering and tax avoidance scheme.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)Imagine how much money they make every Sunday with their churches full of hundreds of people.
Why are we allowing all of that money to go tax free.
The people that donate pay less tax because of it, the church pays no tax, the priests pay no tax...WHY!
They are using the money they are collecting to buy politicians, if we don't raise some hell about this, who will?
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)n/t
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)n/t
Shining Jack
(1,559 posts)I'll never forget what they did with Prop. Hate.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)Doesn't this piss people off?
kentuck
(111,076 posts)Under the guise of a "tax shelter"?
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)and there are thousands more like him
km659426
(1 post)Petition to start taxing churches: http://wh.gov/XC6B
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)involved in politics, or just churches?
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)Might do us some good to tax the non-profits for a while.
OUR non-profits aren't laundering millions of dollars, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)social justice and work for the poor. These organizations often take political positions that will help them do their work or benefit those that they serve.
Money laundering is a crime and those committing that crime can and should be prosecuted.
So, I ask again - are you proposing that the tax exempt status be stripped from all non-profit groups or just churches?
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)And the right wing are laundering millions, our organizations are a pittance in comparison, and if taxes were raised to proper levels, our organizations wouldn't be needed nearly as much.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)it's about the money they collect.
Again, do we want this to be the case for all non-profit organizations? I agree that the IRS needs to more closely scrutinize organizations to ascertain if they are truly non-profit and if they are promoting candidates as opposed to causes.
But this is a slippery slope and calls to change the tax status may have serious unintended consequences for those that have the most to lose.
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)The Republicans are seriously gaming the non profits right now, they have a lot more to lose.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Expenses may be deductible to some extent, but they do not make your income go away.
Non-profit means just that - that you do not make a profit off of the money that you bring in. By definition, you spend it all on whatever it is you do. That gives organizations a tax exempt status. The law would have to be changed to tax all non-profits.
While the RW non-profits that you refer to may have more to lose financially, the poor and disadvantaged have the most to lose overall if the law is changed at this time.
You can not change the law for some and not all.
Initech
(100,060 posts)"Tax the churches. And tax the businesses owned by the churches."
Skink
(10,122 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)When they take political sides they shouldn't be exempt from taxes.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)In its 1970 opinion in Walz vs. Tax Commission of the City of New York, the high court stated that a tax exemption for churches "creates only a minimal and remote involvement between church and state and far less than taxation of churches. [An exemption] restricts the fiscal relationship between church and state, and tends to complement and reinforce the desired separation insulating each from the other." The Supreme Court also said that "the power to tax involves the power to destroy." Taxing churches breaks down the healthy separation of church and state and leads to the destruction of the free exercise of religion.
http://www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23,0,4272340.story
RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)I think a line has been crossed and this issue needs to be revisited.