"I'm not a feminist, I'm a humanist."

[CTyankee]

I have heard that and I wonder why someone would say it.

What is your response?

[gratuitous]

1. My response

"How very clever. Let's go a little further: Do you consider women to be human?"

[Scrivener7]

4. Oh, but you have to be more specific: Do you consider women to be AS human as men?

[BeerBarrelPolka]

2. I've

I've learned some people self proclaim a lot of things. Doesn't mean it's accurate.

[Act_of_Reparation]

3. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[CTyankee]

6. well I ge pushback on that. They think "humanist" covers both sexes. What I argue

is that for too long "humanist" only meant "man." So the word "feminist" was coined to mean "equal rights for women as well as men."

[markie]

5. similiar to

"Black Lives Matter" no, "all lives matter" makes no sense and obviously the person doesn't understand

[eShirl]

7. I'm a feminist humanist

so there

[CTyankee]

8. But to me a feminist is already a humanist, really. You can't NOT be...

[SKKY]

9. Don't satanists basically consider themselves humanists?

https://bigthink.com/thinking/satanism/

[LostOne4Ever]

10. Probably because of people like Julie Bindel and JK Rowling

Gender Critical/ Trans exclusionary radical feminist have done lasting damage to the label of feminist. ESPECIALLY in the UK.


https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/what-im-not-a-feminist-means/

[Coventina]

11. It's the same as saying "All lives matter"

They are trying to be cute.

Don't buy it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. I think I'd direct them to a Humanist organization in their country, and show a typical person

who is both feminist and humanist - and ask if they really think they can be a humanist without also being a feminist.

https://americanhumanist.org/socialjustice/
https://humanists.international/blog/sikivu-hutchinson-an-unapologetically-black-feminist-and-heretical-humanist-a-review/

[Freethinker65]

13. Do they know humanism is a religion?

Do they understand that Humanists are not Christian?

[LostOne4Ever]

15. Humanism, by itself, is not a religion. (Nt)

[Freethinker65]

16. Actually that is actively debated.

I suppose, personally, I am more accurately a secular humanist.

https://religionnews.com/2017/04/21/defense-department-expands-its-list-of-recognized-religions/

[LostOne4Ever]

17. It is debated by anti-atheists

Ie people who hate the irreligious and want to make humanism to look like it is no different than their religious belief.

It isn’t debated by humanists themselves. It is only religious if connected to a religion. Christian humanism for example. Humanism by itself, and secular humanism specifically, is not a religion:

https://secularhumanism.org/what-is-secular-humanism/

Secular humanism is nonreligious, espousing no belief in a realm or beings imagined to transcend ordinary experience.

Those who disagree or are trying to debate this are the type of websites DU opposed: conservative right wing fundamentalists.

[Freethinker65]

19. To be declared a religion in the US comes with certain rights.

That is why the belief of Humanism being designated a religion (though one without a "God" directing human behavior) is important. But I have a feeling you know that already.

Every time I take an assessment of my beliefs and behaviors I align with Humanism. Universal Unitarianism is the next closet to my particular beliefs. I am not going to debate religion vs philosophy, or semantics, in a virtual chat room.

The question was what would you say to someone who declared they were a humanist, but NOT a feminist. My point was that they most likely don't know what Humanists believe, so most likely are neither.

[LizBeth]

14. I am a feminist. That is how I respond. They can say whatever they want.

That is theirs to do. But I do make it clear I have not an iota qualm calling myself a feminist

[Demsrule86]

18. It is just bullshit and a way to excuse their misogyny.