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brewens
(15,359 posts)rifle". We can call them that now and not have to deal with the idiotic NRA babbling points. Before if you said assault rifle, you see people chime in that those weren't assault rifles because they didn't have full-auto and machine guns were already illegal. All that crap.
The main threat is the ammo capacity. Militaries around the world train their guys to almost always use semi-auto with select fire weapons. Someone that picked a good spot and knew what they were doing wouldn't go full-auto even if he had an M-16. It makes very little difference if it's a full-auto weapon or not. In fact, you might have a better chance of getting away if some moron put most of a magazine in the walls and ceiling on full auto. I wouldn't want to try and test that one though.
keithbvadu2
(39,929 posts)Parkland... Trump says he would have rushed in
jmowreader
(51,385 posts)Battle rifle also has a specific meaning: select-fire rifle that uses full power cartridges like 7.62mm NATO. The M-14, FN FAL and G3 are battle rifles.
Kaleva
(38,027 posts)Make the enemy break and retreat or hunker down so others can advance on them
sir pball
(4,940 posts)Per The Wiki:
A battle rifle is a service rifle chambered to fire a fully powered cartridge.[1] The term "battle rifle" is a retronym created largely out of a need to better differentiate the intermediate-powered assault rifles (e.g. the StG-44, AK-47, M16, AUG) from full-powered rifles (e.g. the FG-42, AVS-36, FN FAL, and M14, as well as the H&K G3 outside of sniping uses) as both classes of modern firearms have a similar appearance and share many of the same features such as detachable magazines, pistol grips, separate upper and lower receivers etc.[2] Battle rifles were most prominent from the 1940s to the 1970s, when they were used as service rifles. While modern battle rifles largely resemble modern assault rifle designs, which replaced battle rifles in most roles, the term may also describe older military full-powered semi-automatic rifles such as the M1 Garand, SVT-40, Gewehr 41, Gewehr 43, Type 4, FN Model 1949, and MAS-49.
The nuts will claim that since an AR (or AK, SKS, Mini-14, or or or) doesn't fire a full-power cartridge, it's not by definition a "battle rifle"; they'll say the cops in Uvalde were using incorrect terminology and we all know that's like catnip to them "It's not a CLIP it's a MAGAZINE!"
poli-junkie
(1,129 posts)madville
(7,450 posts)The problem with the previous federal assault weapons ban is that it mostly just addressed cosmetic features, not the actual function of the weapon itself. Unless a new law bans the actual semi-automatic operation itself, its not going to be very effective.
Irish_Dem
(56,133 posts)Courage to stand up to the gun lovers?
Courage to stand up to the GOP.
Courage to stand up to corrupt judges and politicians?
Courage to protect our school children.
Courage is the virtue that makes all other virtues possible.
Deuxcents
(19,566 posts)Irish_Dem
(56,133 posts)We The People own the power of the United States.
The government and legislators derive their power from American citizens.
Nothing will ever change until We The People step up to the plate and do our damn
jobs as citizens of what was once the greatest democracy in the history of the world.
Deuxcents
(19,566 posts)Irish_Dem
(56,133 posts)The American people will have to step up to the plate and do the right thing.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,564 posts)My single shot .22 is not a weapon of war or for mass shootings; neither is my 3 shot shotgun. People could make a reasonable argument that my 6 shot, single action revolver should be regulated by license or insurance or both.
Anything capable of a mass shooting should have appropriate restrictions and regulations, whether it's powered by gunpowder, air pressure, springs, or batteries.
roamer65
(37,100 posts)Allow hunting rifles, shotguns and revolvers larger than .22 with appropriate background checks and licensing.
Thats it.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)actually is?
There's sales bans (further broken down to commercial vs. private) and there's open carry bans and concealed carry bans and 'can you shoot it at the gun range ban' to outright possession bans (which invites the question of active confiscation) and probably some types I don't even know about.
When someone just says 'ban' without making distinctions, it's a VERY nebulous term.
And the other 'side' takes advantage of this in so many ways.
I don't think we should even make posts talking about 'bans' w/o clarifying ... what would this 'ban' actually limit from happening?
Which also means that polls about the subject are practically useless when they just say 'do you support banning XYZ gun type/style?'.
Johonny
(21,929 posts)need to see the obvious
For the vast majority it is zero more. Yet our politicians are cowards.
Rafi
(203 posts)If you can't hit a deer within ten shots you need to spend time at the range. Actually five shot capacity would be better.