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NEW:@cbsnews polling shows majority of respondents supporting a nationwide ban on AR-15 semi-auto (Original Post) BeckyDem Apr 2023 OP
I saw one thing we should take advantage of. Those Uvalde cops were saying the shooter had a "battle brewens Apr 2023 #1
Those Uvalde cops were the 'good guys with a gun'. keithbvadu2 Apr 2023 #7
It will get worse jmowreader Apr 2023 #9
Auto is used for suppression fire Kaleva Apr 2023 #14
Nah, "battle rifle" is also a long-standing term that gunners would nitpick at. sir pball Apr 2023 #15
Renew the Assault Weapons Ban!!! poli-junkie Apr 2023 #2
The AR-15 was still legal under that ban madville Apr 2023 #8
Are we actually beginning to see some true courage from the American people? Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #3
The American people, yes. Unfortunately, those elected to actually do something, no Deuxcents Apr 2023 #4
***The courage of the American people is the only courage that matters.*** Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #5
I so agree. Our power is our vote and we all need to do our duty as a citizen Deuxcents Apr 2023 #6
Yes it will require courage and ability to be good citizens to fight this fight. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #13
Limit firepower, rate of fire, and capacity before reload, instead of marketing names Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2023 #10
All semi-automatics larger than .22 need to go. roamer65 Apr 2023 #11
One thing I rarely see discussed is what is the definition of a 'ban' Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2023 #12
How many more mass shootings does a person Johonny Apr 2023 #16
Limiting magazine capacity would be a good start. Rafi Apr 2023 #17
The "shall not be infringed" dipshits will be weighing in in 3... .2... 1... Initech Apr 2023 #18
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
1. I saw one thing we should take advantage of. Those Uvalde cops were saying the shooter had a "battle
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 09:55 PM
Apr 2023

rifle". We can call them that now and not have to deal with the idiotic NRA babbling points. Before if you said assault rifle, you see people chime in that those weren't assault rifles because they didn't have full-auto and machine guns were already illegal. All that crap.

The main threat is the ammo capacity. Militaries around the world train their guys to almost always use semi-auto with select fire weapons. Someone that picked a good spot and knew what they were doing wouldn't go full-auto even if he had an M-16. It makes very little difference if it's a full-auto weapon or not. In fact, you might have a better chance of getting away if some moron put most of a magazine in the walls and ceiling on full auto. I wouldn't want to try and test that one though.

jmowreader

(51,385 posts)
9. It will get worse
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 12:29 AM
Apr 2023

“Battle rifle” also has a specific meaning: select-fire rifle that uses full power cartridges like 7.62mm NATO. The M-14, FN FAL and G3 are battle rifles.

Kaleva

(38,027 posts)
14. Auto is used for suppression fire
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 07:02 AM
Apr 2023

Make the enemy break and retreat or hunker down so others can advance on them

sir pball

(4,940 posts)
15. Nah, "battle rifle" is also a long-standing term that gunners would nitpick at.
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 07:36 AM
Apr 2023

Per The Wiki:

A battle rifle is a service rifle chambered to fire a fully powered cartridge.[1] The term "battle rifle" is a retronym created largely out of a need to better differentiate the intermediate-powered assault rifles (e.g. the StG-44, AK-47, M16, AUG) from full-powered rifles (e.g. the FG-42, AVS-36, FN FAL, and M14, as well as the H&K G3 outside of sniping uses) as both classes of modern firearms have a similar appearance and share many of the same features such as detachable magazines, pistol grips, separate upper and lower receivers etc.[2] Battle rifles were most prominent from the 1940s to the 1970s, when they were used as service rifles. While modern battle rifles largely resemble modern assault rifle designs, which replaced battle rifles in most roles, the term may also describe older military full-powered semi-automatic rifles such as the M1 Garand, SVT-40, Gewehr 41, Gewehr 43, Type 4, FN Model 1949, and MAS-49.


The nuts will claim that since an AR (or AK, SKS, Mini-14, or or or) doesn't fire a full-power cartridge, it's not by definition a "battle rifle"; they'll say the cops in Uvalde were using incorrect terminology and we all know that's like catnip to them – "It's not a CLIP it's a MAGAZINE!"

madville

(7,450 posts)
8. The AR-15 was still legal under that ban
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 12:04 AM
Apr 2023

The problem with the previous federal assault weapons ban is that it mostly just addressed cosmetic features, not the actual function of the weapon itself. Unless a new law bans the actual semi-automatic operation itself, it’s not going to be very effective.

Irish_Dem

(56,133 posts)
3. Are we actually beginning to see some true courage from the American people?
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 10:04 PM
Apr 2023

Courage to stand up to the gun lovers?

Courage to stand up to the GOP.

Courage to stand up to corrupt judges and politicians?

Courage to protect our school children.

Courage is the virtue that makes all other virtues possible.

Irish_Dem

(56,133 posts)
5. ***The courage of the American people is the only courage that matters.***
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 10:33 PM
Apr 2023

We The People own the power of the United States.

The government and legislators derive their power from American citizens.

Nothing will ever change until We The People step up to the plate and do our damn
jobs as citizens of what was once the greatest democracy in the history of the world.

Irish_Dem

(56,133 posts)
13. Yes it will require courage and ability to be good citizens to fight this fight.
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 05:24 AM
Apr 2023

The American people will have to step up to the plate and do the right thing.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,564 posts)
10. Limit firepower, rate of fire, and capacity before reload, instead of marketing names
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 12:30 AM
Apr 2023

My single shot .22 is not a weapon of war or for mass shootings; neither is my 3 shot shotgun. People could make a reasonable argument that my 6 shot, single action revolver should be regulated by license or insurance or both.

Anything capable of a mass shooting should have appropriate restrictions and regulations, whether it's powered by gunpowder, air pressure, springs, or batteries.

roamer65

(37,100 posts)
11. All semi-automatics larger than .22 need to go.
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 12:34 AM
Apr 2023

Allow hunting rifles, shotguns and revolvers larger than .22 with appropriate background checks and licensing.

That’s it.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
12. One thing I rarely see discussed is what is the definition of a 'ban'
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 01:45 AM
Apr 2023

actually is?

There's sales bans (further broken down to commercial vs. private) and there's open carry bans and concealed carry bans and 'can you shoot it at the gun range ban' to outright possession bans (which invites the question of active confiscation) and probably some types I don't even know about.

When someone just says 'ban' without making distinctions, it's a VERY nebulous term.

And the other 'side' takes advantage of this in so many ways.

I don't think we should even make posts talking about 'bans' w/o clarifying ... what would this 'ban' actually limit from happening?

Which also means that polls about the subject are practically useless when they just say 'do you support banning XYZ gun type/style?'.

Johonny

(21,929 posts)
16. How many more mass shootings does a person
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 08:23 AM
Apr 2023

need to see the obvious

For the vast majority it is zero more. Yet our politicians are cowards.

Rafi

(203 posts)
17. Limiting magazine capacity would be a good start.
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 09:53 AM
Apr 2023

If you can't hit a deer within ten shots you need to spend time at the range. Actually five shot capacity would be better.

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