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When you die, God isnt going to ask you about someone else. He wont ask you about the two men down the street who got married. He wont ask you about the girl who had an abortion. He wont ask you about the atheist that live on the corner. He wont ask you about the woman who feels more comfortable as
a man.
He will ask you how you loved those people as He called you to do.
And some of you didnt.
Send by a friend so don't have a link.
brer cat
(24,402 posts)Thank you for sharing.
TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(13,989 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts)edhopper
(33,208 posts)but your point is valid. I try to live by the ideas you state. How do I treat the ones I love. In this world, the only one we have.
It is alarming how many who say they believe in a loving God spend their time condemning the people they think their God hates.
msfiddlestix
(7,265 posts)and thank you.
This post, as you accurately understand, is actually about those who claim their God wills their cruelty and lack of compassion for other. Interesting how many took umbrage.
your post was obviously aimed that those bigoted Christians who use their religion as cover for their hate.
If you were making a general statement about your beliefs, it would go in the Religion Forum. But it belongs here, because it is about the politics of the GOP Klan.
IMO, of course, God doesn't ask you anything. You have to evaluate yourself and you don't get to use dodges and subterfuge in evaluating yourself like what we see with trump.
Also it's not condemnation, either, as in this was bad and or even that was good. It's just an evaluation that you make and you can compare it to other decisions you might have made.
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Red State Prisoner
(138 posts)to belittle and demean the beliefs of others here because it does not conform to your narcissistic view of religion. As you are free to not believe, others should be free to believe without wise-ass, condescending remarks such as this. As if this wasn't bad enough, you go on to accuse the OP of sexism, based on his or her assigning gender to a deity that you don't believe in. If we are to be the party of open-mindedness and inclusion, this kind of high-horsed, pedestal preaching bullshit has to stop.
Response to Red State Prisoner (Reply #12)
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Red State Prisoner
(138 posts)Your experience is not unique, and I understand full well the harm organized religion has wrought on the world at large. However, where you and I differ, is that I will not condemn a fellow Democrat who is a believer, and who takes something positive away from it. Why do you have to be critical about that? The post was not asking you to repent, pray, ask for forgiveness, or shout a hallelujah out in support. Yet, it was not enough for you to ignore it, you had to go out of your way to belittle a person who, religion aside, likely supports many of the same causes we all do.
We are done. You're clearly every bit as bad as the bible thumpers you claim to despise.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Response to Red State Prisoner (Reply #16)
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wnylib
(21,146 posts)Good points but futile to post them on DU. References to religion will always be vigorously attacked on DU by aggressively anti religion posters. They are as devoted to denouncing people who don't share their view against religion as Evangicals are who denounce people who don't share their view for religion.
Being aggressively anti religion toward others is not inherent to atheism. There are atheists who simply don't accept any religious view or belief for themselves. They feel free to state their view without feeling any need to go on a mission against people who are religious.
It's futile to post to them the points that you made. They will never tolerate the existence of religion, just as fanatically religious people will never tolerate the existence of atheism.
Sky Jewels
(6,860 posts)in mainstream Christianity. It happens every single time, even on supposedly progressive boards. Bigotry against women is fine; pointing out that bigotry is not fine because the beliefs have magic and supernaturalism attached to them, and there are rules protecting the expression of that kind of bigotry.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I'll be waiting right here.
Sky Jewels
(6,860 posts)The issue is more often Christianity because that's the dominant religion in this country and it's the reason for things like Roe falling. Christianity, not Islam, is screwing over women in the United States. However, I think Islam treats women like shit. Of course it does. If someone had posted something about "Mohammad or Allah says this and thinks that" I would have commented on that.
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=325818
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)We don't talk about Islam much in a (primarily) American-based forum, because--gee--not very many Americans are Muslim, and few Muslims have power to enact sexist and racist policies, to boot. Whatever Muslims (or those of other religious persuasions) do or don't do in countries they dominate still doesn't make the misogyny and other bigoted policies in your religion right or above criticism.
Your remark is classic bothsiderist gaslighting because we don't have to worry about Muslims creating very real peril for women and minorities in this country. It's not Muslims who are enacting all those draconian abortion laws in red states--it's Christians. It's not Muslims creating laws against transgenders--it's Christians. It's not Muslims banning books or screeching about CRT--it's Christians. Need I go on?
And don't insult our intelligence by making the "No True Scotsman" claim that those of your religion promoting hateful policies aren't "real" Christians, when they are, like it or not. They and every awful thing they do, say and promote has a very long history in your religion that has been well-documented. For centuries.
We can have a conversation about misogyny in other cultures, but what those cultures do in no way absolves your religion of the very real misogyny it has perpetrated for centuries.
So stop the gaslighting to deflect from your religion's long history of atrocious behavior, and try *listening* to valid criticism for a change.
iscooterliberally
(2,849 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,265 posts)If there was such a thing... it wouldn't be a "he".
just saying...
HardPort
(1,474 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,308 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,822 posts)You have to account for your own actions without deflection or distraction.
Marthe48
(16,692 posts)n/t
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)So, I'm not bothered.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I know this has been my response to many of your posts, so I miss doing so when you don't post as much.
Well stated.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)But that also means we have to love the liars and cheaters and Republicans.
Um - looks like Ive still got a little bit more work to do
Karadeniz
(22,283 posts)large, some puny, that enables our Minds to send out energy that can affect the physical world, that can detach from the physical brain and see and hear what is going on in an ambulance or operating theater. There's a whole book describing all the ways in which Mind contains an energy that is beyond brain. Energy cannot be destroyed. Studies of accounts of life after death, disembodied or having transferred to another body, also attest to the indestructible nature of Mind. It's really not important if one ascribes the immortal progress as including a god who judges or a soul which confronts its own development, it's still the soul and its energy that is the basis for soul progress.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)As in none.
Now if you want to talk about a conscience, that would make sense because we do know that we have that sort of thing. Neuroscientists can even measure components of it. That's what's known as evidence.
For souls, there isn't even that much, because the soul is an entirely made-up construct that has no basis in reality.
Cyrano
(15,023 posts)Most here on DU are tolerant and don't throw shade at other people's opinions. Please know that many here appreciate your love of decency. I certainly respect your thoughts on this matter.
(Full disclosure. I'm a devout agnostic.)
This post isn't really about God per se but who people want to pass the buck to for their unkindness and cruelty.
As for myself, I don't know and will have to find out when I die what's what. I do believe that there is a source but beyond that ...
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)That seems annoying.
H2O Man
(73,333 posts)Earth-shine
(3,858 posts)You mean me?
I don't believe that the best way to be moral is to be threatened by a mysterious "He" in the sky. In my life, "He" has never existed except in other people's perceptions.
Good and God are not the same thing.
I'd never take your religion away from you, as long as you keep it away from me.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)In a complete expected direction
And many miss the message
Sky Jewels
(6,860 posts)We don't appreciate it being framed within the context of a mythology that many find ridiculous, and a patriarchal one at that, and stated as if it's a fact, that someone knows what this magical sky man does and says, and of course that it actually exists is just stated like it's a given.
Abolishinist
(1,257 posts)of the link you posted in this thread containing your comment that "major monotheisms are all patriarchal crocks of s**t", I disagree.
What I see in the OP is more of a refutation of the hypocrisy of those who DO say they believe, yet continue to narrowly define their beliefs to fit their political goals. It could have just as easily started out with "FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO BELIEVE", When You Die etc. In other words, a statement best directed toward the evangelical crowd.
Sky Jewels
(6,860 posts)I found the tone to be condescending, because it seemed like it started from the implied position that "Of course everyone reading this believes in the traditional male god..., and therefore X, Y, and Z." It needed some disclaimers.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)regarding the existence of any deities missed the message at all. No deities are required for people to care about others.
The assumption that such a deity is needed is an insult to those who do not believe that any such entities exist.
So, some of us make statements to that effect when posts like this are made.
I don't care what anyone believes with regard to such things. They shouldn't care whether I believe as they do, either.
Deities are not required for either kindness or cruelty, but are often given credit for both.
That is worth consideration, I think.
sarisataka
(18,220 posts)The OP never indicated or implied the belief in any deity is a perquisite to caring about others. Nor is there any condemnation of those who do not believe; those, such as yourself, are not the people it is directed towards.
Completely agree
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)The original post simply referred to "God" as a given. That is what is offensive to many people. It implies that there is such an entity and that it acts as a real entity. It even asks dead people questions, apparently.
There's no hint in that post that not everyone believes such things. Nor is there any acknowledgement that there are many, many deities out there that someone believes exist, and even multiple deities that form the foundation of some religions. It is a distinctive monotheistic attitude that dismisses everyone who is not a monotheist of some sort or another.
So, some people expressed their dislike for the original post. Their disbelief is equal in value to the belief. At least it is in a just environment.
If someone says that "God" will do something, someone else will say, "There's no such thing." Every time. It's only fair, really.
eShirl
(18,466 posts)sorry
Sky Jewels
(6,860 posts)This thread should have been posted in Religion, not G.D.
JanLip
(845 posts)These are my feelings on the subject. I respect what folks believe. I wouldnt dream of telling anyone how and what to believe. Youre right (my opinion) I wont have to account for anyone but myself and being a believer that I am..I would never judge because I am not their judge. To me God doesnt hate God is love. I know I post stuff about the orange baboon. I dont hate him I just dont like him and there are others like family who follow trump
I love my family I just dont like them. Anyway I hope I didnt offend anyone but these are my thoughts.
Jan
Tribetime
(4,670 posts)roamer65
(36,739 posts)Sends me to hell, so be it.
An eternity of torment in hell will be way better than being around Phyllis Schlafly or Jerry Falwell.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)with The Shema (the very first part) and then added "and love thy neighbor as thyself." These people can't love. They obsess.