Think you can land a jet without any training? Men confidently say yes!

[mainer]

The Dunning-Krueger effect seems related to gender. Even though the men and women who were surveyed had an equal lack of experience and training, the men were more confident than the women that they could pull off this nigh-impossible task.

“Members of both groups claimed they could safely land the plane, but the people who watched the video were more confident in both categories than the people who did not see it. Men were also more self-assured than women “in every condition.”
“Although our video was not intended to be instructional in any way, the fact that we chose a highly specialized task with which people had no prior learning makes it reasonable to speculate that people might have developed incomplete or insufficient ideas about how to land a plane,” the researchers concluded.
Alas, ego is not a license to fly.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2023/03/22/how-hard-is-it-land-plane/

[sarisataka]

1. As I understand, landing a jet is simple

Inevitable even.

Landing it in such fashion as it can take off again is the tricky part...

[Srkdqltr]

2. That's true. They didn't specify condition .

[PJMcK]

19. Actually, it's quite easy to take off

It's really hard to land even a single engine plane. Try it in a simulator and you'll see how hard it is.

Men can be egoistic assholes. This report kind of highlights that.

BYW, I'm a man who knows he can't land a jet.

[Silent3]

25. Or that you can take off again n/t

[Angleae]

38. Takoffs are optional, landings are mandatory.

[maxsolomon]

3. Key finding:

Men were also more self-assured than women “in every condition.”

That is just how we're wired. It's neither good nor bad; it's just how most mammal species work. We're apes.

[CrispyQ]

27. It helps, too, to live in a society that more easily forgives men for fucking up than women. -nt

[maxsolomon]

35. Like, Human Society?

Pretty sure that happens across the planet in every culture.

[CrispyQ]

36. That's a given, since the patriarchy has infected almost every society. -nt

[Midnight Writer]

29. It's also how men are taught. Be confident, bold, assertive. Never show weakness.

[maxsolomon]

33. But it's not JUST how men are taught.

Testosterone is part of Nature, not Nurture. Males of every mammal species have more of it than females.

[Sympthsical]

4. There was a really good YouTube video about this

I watch a lot of air disaster YouTube at night because I'm weird, and this came up. This guy started getting the idea that he watched enough videos and played enough air simulation games to have the basic gist of landing a plane. Then he tested in an air simulator.

It went exactly as expected.

He talks a ton about Dunning-Krueger. Really good video.

[FakeNoose]

9. OMG It's Steve Kornacki playing a computer simulation

[Delphinus]

20. That was

a good video; glad I watched!

[Emile]

5. No problem, but living another day I think that would be impossible.

[underpants]

6. Training or experience? Blast some Kenny Loggins and I'm sure I could pull it off

[ForgedCrank]

7. Depending on

the equipment and the individual, it is completely possible. I know that's not the point of the OP, but it got me thinking about it.
Someone blindly inserted with zero knowledge will have little or no chance for success. Energy management is a huge deal and with no experience, that's a tough hill to climb.
If equipment for ILS and DME etc are available, and the aircraft has modern control systems, then a moderately knowledgeable person could be walked through the process with success I believe. I don't know what the aircraft would look like when it finally came to a stop, but that's another argument I suppose.
I still think the odds are not so great, but it could be done in the right conditions.

[gay texan]

10. I had Microsoft flight sim

What could possibly go wrong?

[ForgedCrank]

14. I think

you have the proper training for success!
NO problem.

[gay texan]

32. I tried landing a 747 at a very very very very small community airstrip in Oklahoma

Didn't end well.....

[ThoughtCriminal]

8. Reminds me of this observation

You don't need a parachute to jump out of an airplane.

You need a parachute to jump out of an airplane twice.

[Gore1FL]

11. Mentour Pilot has a video on this topic.

I am not sure if knowing that ATC will tell you what to do with the autopilot systems is equal to Dunning-Kruegar.

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. These same MEN think they can last more than a minute in bed...

they are DELUDED AND DELUSIONAL.

[WalkerinSC]

16. Carrys over to fighting/boxing

Ask many men and they have had fights that went on for 5 minutes, sometimes even more. The average non professional 'street' fight in high school last about 48 seconds, if evenly matched. Usually, a good bit shorter.

[Delphinus]

21. Welcome to DU!

[Ilsa]

17. OMG! LOL nt

[bcool]

13. I landed a 737 twice in the Delta simulator

The Delta museum at the Atlanta airport has a real 737 simulator you can pay to fly.

With the instructor sitting next to me and coaching me, I successfully landed twice at Dulles - the first time i thunked it on but the second was pretty good, if I must say so myself 😀

It helped that I'm a private pilot, but I only fly itty-bitty planes 😀

[CousinIT]

15. Fine. But I don't want to be IN any plane any arrogant male is landing.

Let this be exclusively HIS own self-limiting condition.

[maxsolomon]

34. You've likely been in one multiple times.

Arrogance is not unheard of in pilots.

[CousinIT]

39. I guess I left out the word "untrained". n/t

[rickford66]

22. I worked on flight simulators for over 40 years.

I flew them all the time, but never tried to hone my landing skills. Just enough to get through what I was checking out. Even running long tests I was nervous at the thought of hitting the wrong button and cause enough problems to start the test all over from the ground. It ain't easy. Good luck to the Dunning-Krueger gang.

[Irish_Dem]

23. I read that female military drone pilots damage the drones less than male pilots do.

They are safer pilots.

[mainer]

24. This is where mansplaining comes in

Men are more overconfident than women about every subject, including things which they know nothing about.

The comments in the article are just astonishing, with so many men arguing with the journalist that yes, it IS possible to land a jet without any experience, while completely missing the point of the article: the issue of overconfidence based purely on ego and maleness.

Despite my doctorate and years of experience, I've had a man with only a high school education mansplain things in my field to me. But of course he knows more. He's a man, and I'm a woman. And he got his information from Dr. Google.

[Silent3]

26. If it had an auto-landing system that I just had to turn on...

...maybe

[TheBlackAdder]

28. I can fly and land a multi-engine turboprop. Not sure about a jet.

[brooklynite]

30. I've watched 25 episodes of AIR DISASTERS, so I pretty much have the procedures down cold.....

[TheBlackAdder]

31. Hey, any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

[keithbvadu2]

37. Safely? Still in condition to brag about it on the 11:00 news instead of not so good on the 6:00 new

Safely? Still in condition to brag about it on the 11:00 news instead of not so good on the 6:00 news?