Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:05 PM
bigtree (82,988 posts)
"A lot's gonna come out sooner or later," one Ga. grand juror said. "And it's gonna be massive"
Tamar Hallerman @TamarHallerman
EXCLUSIVE: @ajccourts and I sat down with five of the Fulton County special grand jurors, who gave us a detailed, behind the scenes look at their eight months of service https://ajc.com/politics/exclusive-behind-the-scenes-of-the-trump-grand-jury/6CXLKTFMKNDU7O6TER4B7UTZPE/ #gapol Link to tweet ![]() ![]() In an exclusive interview with The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, five of the 23 special grand jurors recounted what it was like to be a pivotal — but anonymous — part of one of the most momentous criminal investigations in U.S. history; one which could lead to indictments of former President Donald Trump and his allies. One juror expressed appreciation for the behind-the-scenes look the group received of Georgia politics and the ballot-counting process. Another indicated he had grown more jaded after it became clear that some witnesses were telling the grand jury one thing about the election under oath and then casting doubt on the system when they returned to the campaign trail, sometimes hours later. “I can honestly give a damn of whoever goes to jail, you know, like personally,” one juror said. “I care more about there being more respect in the system for the work that people do to make sure elections are free and fair.” read more: https://www.ajc.com/politics/exclusive-behind-the-scenes-of-the-trump-grand-jury/6CXLKTFMKNDU7O6TER4B7UTZPE/
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bigtree | Mar 15 | OP |
kentuck | Mar 15 | #1 | |
bigtree | Mar 15 | #3 | |
Cheezoholic | Mar 15 | #10 | |
bigtree | Mar 15 | #12 | |
Cheezoholic | Mar 16 | #16 | |
fightforfreedom | Mar 16 | #27 | |
Meadowoak | Mar 15 | #2 | |
SomedayKindaLove | Mar 15 | #4 | |
hookaleft | Mar 15 | #7 | |
Laffy Kat | Mar 15 | #5 | |
bigtree | Mar 16 | #14 | |
Laffy Kat | Mar 16 | #18 | |
Mr.Bill | Mar 16 | #34 | |
Laffy Kat | Mar 16 | #41 | |
blm | Mar 15 | #6 | |
DavidDvorkin | Mar 15 | #8 | |
brettdale | Mar 15 | #9 | |
kacekwl | Mar 16 | #13 | |
gratuitous | Mar 15 | #11 | |
KS Toronado | Mar 16 | #15 | |
onecaliberal | Mar 16 | #17 | |
Beartracks | Mar 16 | #19 | |
GuppyGal | Mar 16 | #20 | |
angrychair | Mar 16 | #21 | |
fightforfreedom | Mar 16 | #28 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Mar 16 | #22 | |
chowder66 | Mar 16 | #23 | |
brettdale | Mar 16 | #25 | |
chowder66 | Mar 16 | #32 | |
Blue Owl | Mar 16 | #24 | |
fightforfreedom | Mar 16 | #26 | |
Johnny2X2X | Mar 16 | #29 | |
Skittles | Mar 16 | #30 | |
Martin Eden | Mar 16 | #31 | |
bigtree | Mar 16 | #38 | |
Martin Eden | Mar 16 | #40 | |
dalton99a | Mar 16 | #33 | |
Meowmee | Mar 16 | #36 | |
bigtree | Mar 16 | #37 | |
republianmushroom | Mar 16 | #35 | |
Kingofalldems | Mar 16 | #39 |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:12 PM
kentuck (108,839 posts)
1. Is Fani about ready to drop the hammer?
I hope so.
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Response to kentuck (Reply #1)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:18 PM
bigtree (82,988 posts)
3. the grand jury has been hearing evidence for 6 days now
...the one seated in March for a two-month stretch.
The regular grand jury also deals with every other criminal investigation put before them. |
Response to bigtree (Reply #3)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:48 PM
Cheezoholic (1,330 posts)
10. These comments come from the special grand jury
I understand that. But the grand jury that can indict is now seated and is currently hearing evidence if I understand correctly? Just trying to clarify and TY for the link.
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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #10)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:59 PM
bigtree (82,988 posts)
12. yeah, the regular grand jury, the one that indicts, came in March 7
...and sits for 2 months.
They are now being presented with what Fani Willis wants them to decide. It's not likely to be an entirely new round of witness presentations. She can take most of what the special gj did and present that product to the jurors, and jurors can request witnesses come in and stand before them and answer questions, as well. |
Response to bigtree (Reply #12)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:20 AM
Cheezoholic (1,330 posts)
16. Gotcha, Thx! n/t
Response to kentuck (Reply #1)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 07:19 AM
fightforfreedom (4,913 posts)
27. Willis told everyone indictments are coming. She said it in court.
The lead juror in the special grand jury told us they recommended over an dozen indictments.
The lead juror also told us they heard multiple recordings of Trump. When people like this tell us something, we should listen and believe them. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:17 PM
Meadowoak (4,339 posts)
2. I expect some hammers to be dropped on Friday.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:22 PM
SomedayKindaLove (353 posts)
4. "It's gonna be massive" sounds good
When it hears repeating does it mean it will be extra massive?
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Response to SomedayKindaLove (Reply #4)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:31 PM
hookaleft (839 posts)
7. eminently massive nt
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:26 PM
Laffy Kat (15,518 posts)
5. Endless teasing. It's beyond frustrating.
If nothing comes out of this I'll be devastated, as will so many others.
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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #5)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:13 AM
bigtree (82,988 posts)
14. maybe better for anxious folks if jurors had said nothing like most
...this is an unprecedented view into the grand jury process, though, which should give at least some comfort that justice is being pursued.
What I'd like folks who are anxious to take away from this is an understanding that this is a deliberative process involving multi-dozens of witnesses and over a dozen perps. It's also a process of law that is often slowed by the rights afforded the accused, something to consider as the government works to hold people accountable. This grand jury process is subject to challenges to evidence and claims of privilege which require court hearings with court dates set by judges, often set months in the future at the behest of the defense. Hopefully most of those kinks were ironed out in the special grand jury, and as expected, the process of indictments begins soon. |
Response to bigtree (Reply #14)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:29 AM
Laffy Kat (15,518 posts)
18. Thanks, bigtree.
I definitely fall into the anxious folks category. Your explanation is appreciated and understood. It's only my angst that's been simmering for seven effing years.
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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #5)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 05:29 PM
Mr.Bill (20,235 posts)
34. It's like watching an 18 inning
baseball game.
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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #34)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 09:49 PM
Laffy Kat (15,518 posts)
41. Except I enjoy baseball. nt
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:27 PM
blm (111,078 posts)
6. Great read, big.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:40 PM
DavidDvorkin (18,910 posts)
8. I predict that everything is going to blow up at 2:30 pm Eastern Time tomorrow afternoon.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:41 PM
brettdale (12,064 posts)
9. Okay
Okay then, if this was happening, Trump would already be in Russia.
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Response to brettdale (Reply #9)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:04 AM
kacekwl (6,676 posts)
13. Why, he'll not go to jail. He will be free as a bird
with endless delays and court shenanigans.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Wed Mar 15, 2023, 11:54 PM
gratuitous (80,524 posts)
11. Don't miss that last quote
There are good citizens, dedicated people who do the grunt work of government whose lives have bee turned upside down because one petulant brat can't deal with losing.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:15 AM
KS Toronado (12,633 posts)
15. I hope when all the facts see the light of day
Middle of the road republicans will be so turned off by the G卐P's shenanigans that they decide
to teach them a lesson and vote for Democrats in huge numbers in 2024. ![]() |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:24 AM
onecaliberal (29,336 posts)
17. I don't think the MAGAts will care.
They will find out about it all and not care. There is something about these people everything should understand. They know, and they don’t care.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:41 AM
Beartracks (12,114 posts)
19. Massive -- but nothing Tucker Carlson won't try to edit down...
... into simplistic misinformation that his snowflake fans can handle. They mustn't be offended by the rawness of truth, you know.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:44 AM
GuppyGal (303 posts)
20. Is America listening or paying attention is my question
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:47 AM
angrychair (7,564 posts)
21. I may be wrong
Willing to admit that up front, that said, 40 years of history supports my opinion that, in the end, the most that will come of this is a small fine and strongly worded admonishment of tfg behavior.
Likely nothing at all. It's not an unsupported opinion. This guy has very literally been commiting crimes of one kind or another for 40+ years with absolutely zero consequences. In the last days of his election in 2016, he was in court for a fraudulent school and all kinds of other nonsense. No criminal charges were ever filed Nothing. He stands accused of sexually assaulting 20+ women, including a child. Nothing. He has 5 kids by three different women and cheated on all his wives, multiple times. He cut off his own brother 's healthcare when he was dying. And Republicans call him a godly man. A family man. Despite a horrible and bitter campaign and 4 years of complete and total shit, in 2020 he got more votes than any Republican presidential candidate in history. I mean he got more than Obama did in 2008. Despite historical loses in Congress and a failed one term presidency, he is the leading Republican candidate in 2024. I truly hope I'm wrong but history says this guy will never see the inside of a prison cell. I don't understand it. It makes no sense. It's just the word we live in. |
Response to angrychair (Reply #21)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 07:32 AM
fightforfreedom (4,913 posts)
28. I understand what you are saying, However you should consider this.
On J6 Trump moved to the major leagues when it comes to crimes. For most of his life as a corrupt businessman he did a lot of petty crimes compared to what he has done now. He had an army of lawyers who got him out of shit. He had money to settle things. None of that will work now.
While he was president and committing crimes, He had the presidency and corrupt AG that protected him. He has none of that now. Looking back at the history of Trump and how he got away with shit, is not relevant to what he is facing now. This is completely different. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:49 AM
Fiendish Thingy (12,227 posts)
22. Hopeful news
Kudos to the AJC for arranging the anonymous interviews, while preserving the ethics and integrity of the Grand Jury process.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:50 AM
chowder66 (7,965 posts)
23. I'm going to sit on my expectations for now. These jurors may not follow politics too closely.
What is massive to them (which it should be to everyone) may be what people who follow politics more closely already, mostly know.
If there are some massive revelations (besides the new tape recording), that would be interesting to learn about for sure. |
Response to chowder66 (Reply #23)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 04:25 AM
brettdale (12,064 posts)
25. It happens so many times
Not just in politics.
That someone says "something massive is going to happen" There is going to be an announcement for an announcement. What is massive to someone, is ho hum to another. Its beginning to feel like Groundhog day. |
Response to brettdale (Reply #25)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 01:36 PM
chowder66 (7,965 posts)
32. Yep. I'm pretty cynical regarding these type of things.
Best to lower expectations or get rid of them all together and wait-and-see.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 01:14 AM
Blue Owl (43,835 posts)
24. It's like when the fat man is on the golden throne
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 06:56 AM
fightforfreedom (4,913 posts)
26. I have been trying to explain to some people, Trump and the coup plotters are going down.
They will not listen. They choose to be negative about all the investigations , any good news. The charges in Georgia are serious. The indictments are coming and it will be historic.
Your post is good news. Some people are determined to be proven wrong. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:16 AM
Johnny2X2X (15,838 posts)
29. I could see this dragging on for several more weeks
Maybe indictments in mid April.
NY will have indictments in the next week or so IMO. Smith, maybe May or June. |
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:17 AM
Skittles (148,642 posts)
30. yeah we keep hearing about what's GONNA happen
BRING IT ON ALREADY
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 12:58 PM
Martin Eden (11,964 posts)
31. MASSIVE won't move MAGA
If there was audiotape of Trump threatening to have Georgia election officials assassinated if they won't overturn election results, the Magats would believe Trump when he says nothing was wrong with his "perfect" call.
Then Gym Jordan would start an investigation of the Georgia officials, insinuating they're connected to Hunter Biden's laptop. |
Response to Martin Eden (Reply #31)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 06:48 PM
bigtree (82,988 posts)
38. that's the voters' job to mete all that out on election day
...not Fani Willis.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #38)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:15 PM
Martin Eden (11,964 posts)
40. And it's the job of the Justice Dept to indict criminals
All I'm saying is the Magaverse is impervious to any mountain of evidence against their cult leader.
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 01:45 PM
dalton99a (74,402 posts)
33. Donald Trump will be DESTROYED by UNANIMOUS jury verdict and LIFE prison sentence
When? |
Response to dalton99a (Reply #33)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 06:42 PM
Meowmee (4,950 posts)
36. Don't worry
Be patient
Sort of inspired after the fact by the lyrics “don’t worry be happy” |
Response to dalton99a (Reply #33)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 06:47 PM
bigtree (82,988 posts)
37. also known as hyperbole
...as in, it's untruthful, but who's keeping score?
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Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 06:40 PM
republianmushroom (5,826 posts)
35. glad it is coming out
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Thu Mar 16, 2023, 06:52 PM
Kingofalldems (37,028 posts)