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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTin Foil theory about the Rove meltdown....someone Unhacked Ohio. And he realized he was fucked as..
the actual totals were correct and an audit or recall would have shown an accurate election.
The Rove hack would have been big enough to push the margain outside the recall window to avoid getting caught.
It also explains R$mneys lack of a concession speech.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)And it might explain why our party wasnt too concerned....
They already knew about it, and had reverted the software back to being accurate.
femrap
(13,418 posts)to KKKarl from Anonymous a few weeks ago????
Now Anonymous knows how to HACK!!!
I think it explains why he was having such a hissy fit over accepting the Ohio call for Obama.
But even without Ohio, Obama would have won.
But it is truly SWEET KARMA that it was OHIO that put Obama over the TOP! I get goosebumps thinking about it..especially since I was in OH in '04 when that Election was stolen.
This is what RobMe was banking on...another one of KKKarl's little tricks.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Trying to get President Obama reelected so I was so proud the Buckeye State put him over the 270 mark.
mckara
(1,708 posts)You have every right to be proud of your dedication to having the Voice of the People being heard.
Thanks to you and all your friends!
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Since 2000.
FarPoint
(12,179 posts)They never rested....relentlessly staying ontop of and instep with the voter criminals....calling them out!
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Raksha
(7,167 posts)Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman. For 12 long years they kept fighting and never gave up.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I'm one-half Ohioan, as my father was from Ashtabula (Ashtabula High, 1929) and also went to school in Geneva, learned to swim in Lake Erie.
October
(3,363 posts)Thank you!
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)sounds fun doesn't it?
Doremus
(7,261 posts)That was when I found DU. I literally couldn't stand another minute on the other chat board I belonged to, with all the repukes gloating and ridiculing those of us who knew the state had been stolen.
Raksha
(7,167 posts)I knew from the first day that the election was stolen, and DU was the only discussion board where people talked about it openly--other "liberal" websites very much included!
mary195149
(379 posts)Knew it was stolen but back then truly believed the Repubs would get caught with so many discrepancys.
It was hard to believe, they took another election, just like 2000.
We are always so fearful anymore of stolen elections, we know they used voter suppression in this election, but I wonder how many votes the Repubs managed to flip.
liberalla
(9,131 posts)Thank you Anonymous!
femrap
(13,418 posts)loves JUSTICE AND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!
We'll probably never know...but I still thank them as do you.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)SOS of Ohio, to COUrt MOnday before the election. That is why, I believe Ohio was not stolen. there was a federal judge watching who said he would investigate if necessary.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...kinda like when they called FL for Al Gore in 2000 and they went to Lt AWOL's HQ and the chimp himself said "i'd re-check those Florida numbers if I were you"...and that's when I knew the fix was in...
I momentarily thought the same thing when TurdFace started squawking on Tuesday night...But then I just realized he was full of shit and desperately hoping to stay alive based on the promises he had made..
I thought for a second that they ONLY reason he was so adamant was because he KNEW Ohio had been fixed and somehow the sheer volume of voters had over-ridden the fix....
Still doesn't explain the lack of a concession speech other than a fucking ginormous ego...
malaise
(267,455 posts)but even the Supreme Court sent them packing.
When Rove started freaking out I got that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I kept waiting for the shoe to drop.
And I definitely think there was a real reason behind his freakout that night. Either the fix was hacked, or the fix wasn't enough, or something. But I firmly believe there was a planned fix of some sort that just didn't go as intended.
Mme. Defarge
(7,973 posts)so to speak? Facts be damned, this is just too good not to be true.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Lucy Goosey
(2,940 posts)Well punned!
Mme. Defarge
(7,973 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Personally I think if Ohio was investigated we'd find that Obama actually won with more votes that what was counted.
And in the end we never needed Ohio to win.
femrap
(13,418 posts)SoS would have done everything in his power to stop a recount. And in the deep red counties of Ohio, the votes would have been tampered with. No, it had to be called that night for Obama or he'd done the same thing as Kenny Blackwell in /04.
I'm going with Anonymous....they are Super Hackers and they had warned KKKarl a few weeks ago.
But you're right....we didn't need OH, but it sure was sweet.
The way KKKarl kept pointing to his little white board filled w/ his numbers. He kept showing it...like his numbers were TRUE FACT!!!
Grammy23
(5,806 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)There would have been a gigantic investigation in which lots of people with R after their names got sent to the pokey. They chickened out and ratfucked Rover.
pnwest
(3,263 posts)I can buy that it was SUPPOSED to be hacked, but that in the end, someone lost their nerve because it was so evident the country was on to them. It would have been investigated, and you're right, someone would have gone to the pokey. I don't think they'd have gotten away with it this time, and the person who was supposed to do the deed chickened out.
Good call!
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)They stuck software patches on the computers 3 days before the election. they got caught doing that by election protection advocates. (from teh Green Party no less! So stop it yee who bitch and moan about third parties.)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)with this one. When the law suit regarding the "patches" failed, I think someone whispered to Husted and/or Kasich, "You know what? If a single Federal judge issues a warrant to seize the tabulator, we're gonna go to jail for a long, long time. And everyone that's involved in this is gonna point the finger directly at us."
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)colossal and irrational meltdown which doesn't require some big conspiracy.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Of course! I think you may have solved the mystery.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)a reason to. That lawsuit may have saved our democracy. I don't call it a fail.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)While the suit was dismissed (the basis for my terming the suit a failure), the judge put the gop on notice that they could not get away with the flip without subjecting themselves to prison. I suspect that the judge sensed the stench, but did not have enough to upset an election (a very high standard), but posted a proverbial cop to the beat ... just in case.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)You, sir, have the correct answer. And Husted decided that prison was not his preferred option.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,344 posts)malaise
(267,455 posts)He must have received email about Mike Connell
musette_sf
(10,182 posts)what i thought
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)The fix was in, but at the last minute, the fixers lost their nerve. There was no way they were going to explain their results, given the way the rest of the country was going. No one wants to go to jail for Karl Rove, and so they bailed.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)(Kasich?) that Ohio wasn't going to matter. Who the fuck in their right mind would then volunteer to spend 10+ years in a hard core, heavy-duty federal slammer to protect KKKarl Rove. Nobody, that's who. Self-preservation kicks in at some point.
FarPoint
(12,179 posts)Bob Fritrakis and company were on Husted 24/7 taking his fraudulent shenanigans to Court immediately.
Then, Husted was exposed Nationally by MSNBC starting with the firing of Dennis Lieberman and Tom Ritchy, the Montgomery County Board of Election Officials over weekend voting. From that day forward...all eyes were on them.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Ya Basta
(391 posts)I thought it was written all over his face and also in the overly confident Romney demeanor as well. He just had a smirk on his face like he was told don't worry about it, the fix is in for you.
Well that's my two cents anyway.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I was watching FOX when he had his little meltdown. So building up to that outburst and his cocky demeanor all evening, really showed he was 100% sure Romney would win Ohio. Not "sure" like the polls said they would win, but "sure" as in, "this is all bought and paid for and in the bag."
He knew it would work, as it had before. So he really was shocked.
But I'm not sure went wrong. I figure one of two things: his buddies backed out and didn't do what they were supposed to do or Obama had such a turnout that it overwhelmed their fudged numbers.
I'm really thinking though, it only takes one bad county to make the difference. Like that lady in Wisconsin with the bad numbers that benifitted Walker, Get one bad egg doing your vote manipulation and you can win the election.
Ya Basta
(391 posts)What ever happened. Glad it all worked out for the best and we can at least all breath a big sigh of relief. Plus its fun to watch the wingnuts have a melt down.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)But not so obscure that those donors who gave him millions to defeat Obama can't find him.
(besides, I'm sure he should be in jail....for something....)
amborin
(16,631 posts)the chance of getting caught?
raging_moderate
(147 posts)It kind of reminds me of the scene in the movie The Sting in which the Paul Newman beats the poker cheat by cheating better than him. The cheater is incredulous and furious because he knows why he was beat, but can't prove it to anybody because that would require admitting his own ways. Perfect.
I still was hoping (and still am) that Anonymous or another similar entity will throw a large enough election to finally show the general US public what can (and likely already has been) happen for once and for all. Kind of like how somebody hacked into the school board election (in Maryland??) and had Bender the drunken robot character from Futurama win, but bigger. It's going to take something too big to ignore to get our system safe again.
no_hypocrisy
(45,625 posts)as the Duke Brothers watched the price of frozen orange juice plummet in front of their eyes, having relied on purchased inside information.
Blue Owl
(49,739 posts)Since all this vote flipping crap happens behind the scenes in a non-verifiable, non-transparent setting -- I am just going to pretend that's how it went down!
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)many activists had screen shots so those numbers could not roll backwards
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9713
sylvanus
(122 posts)Anonymous said they were going to keep an eye on him.
just saying.
femrap
(13,418 posts)I just said the same thing up-thread!
I believe it was Anonymous, too. I watched the video twice. They are Super Hackers unlike widdle KKKarl's hackers.
Welcome to DU! This is your first post...come on, you're with Anonymous.
I wish someone would teach me to hack...seriously, I want to hack Corporate CEO emails so I can put them in jail!
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)where the host does a double-take when the guy answers the question correctly.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,489 posts)and Rove hadn't been informed yet.
mattvermont
(646 posts)was actually a switch back to equity? Someone could have been on to them, so they had to cover their asses
soleft
(18,537 posts)femrap
(13,418 posts)you don't know Husted, OH SoS. He's a rapid repugnant....taking suppression measures all the way to the Supreme Court. He has been in OH politics for a long time....a real shit head. I can't think of a word bad enough to describe him. He'd do anything for KKKarl.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)If *I" knew that Obama had won as soon as Pennsylvania was called, I am sure that Husted could figure it out, too.
I like it!
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)lobointexas
(85 posts)When I was driving with my son yesterday, I told him that I thought the "patch" actually made the machine counts correct. Last week I told he and my wife about Anonymous and showed them the video.
I think there may have been more than just the video. Anonymous may have "proven" they were on top of it.
Whiskeytide
(4,457 posts)... I never saw it.
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)there were numerous OFA observers, DOJ, and even UN observers.. that was my hypothesis is the "patch" was restoring the machines to nuetral in fear of being caught..
dogknob
(2,431 posts)adamuu
(2,099 posts)how about because someone realized Obama could win without Ohio. The thieves realized they would have to hack more than just Ohio. Why take that much personal risk for something that is no longer likely to affect the outcome in your favor?
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)Monday the "emergency" patches were applied...or they were applied but the code was "unhacked"....
demwing
(16,916 posts)Obama won, the patch paranoia lost
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,070 posts)$370 million can buy a lot of favors as well as a lot of ads. So suppose Rove paid or promised to pay the OH SoS, Husted, a bunch of money for getting that dodgy uncertified software patch installed in the voting machines. The software could have been designed to randomly flip Obama votes to Romney votes in various precincts in such a way that no obvious pattern can be observed and the margin is just enough to win but not so large as to raise suspicions and trigger some kind of audit or lawsuit.
However, Husted and the software patch are getting more scrutiny than anybody anticipated. So at the last minute Husted, fearing exposure and possible prison, gets cold feet; he decides that whatever Rove promised him isn't worth the risk and aborts the "mission." Meanwhile Rove is live on Fox "news" arguing that it's too soon to call OH for Obama because he expects the flipped votes to start coming in - but they don't. Also meanwhile, Romney, who because of the campaign's delusional bullshit polls (and maybe expecting the Rove/Husted fix to come in) didn't expect the other swing states to go for Obama, is writing his victory speech and planning a fireworks display in Boston.
So Rove is wetting his pants on national television because the Romney votes he expected aren't showing up and he knows he'll have a lotta 'splainin' to offer those big donors who are getting nothing for their millions. Was he just delusional about Romney's chances of success or was he pissing tacks because a vote-flipping scheme had failed?
We may never know. But I think Oliver Stone should make a movie about Rove someday.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)brett_jv
(1,245 posts)If you're going to risk something like this, you wouldn't try it unless you thought that it was going to be the difference maker. I think there'd have been 'triggers' ... signs like being ahead by X% in Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc. It was probably all set to be switched on if certain conditions were being met, perhaps in an automated fashion. And then ... they weren't met, so the hack was never 'turned on'.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)femrap
(13,418 posts)no damn conscience. People like him....they think they are above the law. They believe they will never see the inside of a jail. You know the type! No, Husted wouldn't get scared. No way.
This was going to be his ticket into NATIONAL POLITICS. I know how these guys operate. I've worked w/ them. They believe their shit does not smell....and that they will never be caught!
I'm staying with Anonymous....plus it's Good over Evil. I like that.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:25 PM - Edit history (2)
The fixers lost their nerve and left ol' KKKarl holding the bag and blowing gaskets.
ETA: It's one thing to knock over the casino eight years ago (which KKKarl did with the connivance of Ken Blackwell) and that takes guts, but it really takes brass balls to try and knock over the same casino a second time. Whatever Rover offered wasn't enough to convince Husted and Kasich to risk some heavy prison time given the microscope that was on Ohio this time around. They chickened out to save their own skins.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)to ensure your fortune before somebody else does...
you described it so well.
GoneOffShore
(17,303 posts)All those big money donors who thought that they were buying a majority and the White House are major league pissed. And who are they most pissed at? The guy who said he could do it.
I think if I were Karl, I'd be sitting with a good view of the doors and checking under the car every time before I started it up. And I wouldn't be flying in small planes.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Just sayin'
Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #10)
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a kennedy
(29,406 posts)into the area where the faux noise "bean counters" had called Ohio for the POTUS. that was priceless......that was during the first segment that ham man was blowing his gasket. Absolutely loved it. Did anyone else see that??
louis-t
(23,175 posts)It was creepy over there. I felt sick.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)My idiot brother was staying with us for a few days, and I didn't want to fight over Fox "News" so I removed it from the menu.
Took a few minutes to figure out how to unblock it once DU alerted me that there was some great stuff on that channel Tuesday night, and I missed it.
beac
(9,992 posts)of both canned-ham-with-legs Rove's meltdown and Megyn Kelly's hall stalking are both here on DU:
KKKarl: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101776621
Meggie:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101776710
Patiod
(11,816 posts)As we watched the coverage after a LONG day at the polls, my SO asked what wine I wanted to drink.
I said "whatever goes best with the bitterness of Republican tears".
brettdale
(12,329 posts)Has been taken off youtube.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)It was like the sting artist got stung.
femrap
(13,418 posts)a couple of times on YouTube. It was great!!!
central scrutinizer
(11,609 posts)WTF did that mean - the whole shtick was scripted? Although she did have the best line, "Is that real math or math you do to make yourself feel better?"
johnq45
(33 posts)I caught her stating that they had rehearsed it to and I immediately thought, YOU REHEARSED THIS SPONTANEOUS QUESTIONING OF ROVES NUMBERS??????? WTF?
caraher
(6,276 posts)That's part of why I think Rove's whole meltdown was staged, and that he in fact did not actually freak out.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The scene at the Fox News desk with a dark-haired guy who said he was going to find Karl Rove and ask him about the Ohio numbers? The camera was only on this dark haired guy. Just as he said that he would find Rove, the camera panned out and Rove had been sitting right next to him the entire time!!!
It was very bizarre. My husband said, "Did you just see that???" We hit rewind, watched it again and laughed our asses off.
The entire Fox staff was in shreds.
Anyone else see that??
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)announced about the presidential election? Yeah, I was just wondering, did you really mean to say what you said?"
What a stupid fucking question.
OregonBlue
(7,743 posts)Kerry was there the day before and the Dems didn't seem too worried. I believe they either "unfixed" the software that communicates to the SOS office or some Dem precincts didn't report until late. If they don't report until later, the GOP operatives don't know how much they have to add to their totals to have Romney "win". I believe that is what was throwing Karl off. He was certain the fix was going to work and when it didn't, what could he do? If they actually had a recount, it would show that they lost.
Remember that Ohio instituted a program that allowed the precinct totals to be transmitted electronically. So hopefully Dems have found a way to stop any changes being made during the sending of those totals.
femrap
(13,418 posts)was that this 'electronic transmission' allows for Hacking. As it is transmitted, it can be interfered with.
If I know that, certainly Anonymous did and they stood by waiting. I like that. Just fucking with KKKarl's head.
And don't forget the dude who was going to testify about the '04 Theft in OH ended up dead a few weeks before he could testify. Was his name Michael Connell? Damn, my memory. He was a super software geek who did 'bad stuff' in '04....and he had a conscience.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Half-joking but if Anonymous can un-hack, in order for Romney
to be defeated, they would also be capable of hacking, on behalf of
the winner -- and I don't even want to think thoughts like that.
This election was a mandate from the voters, from Mother Nature,
from all our (sane) ancestors, from the almighty Dog, and all
the minor dogs and demons who believe in hope, and I do
believe in fact that even Higgs-Boson voted in the multitudes,
or en masse, something like that.
This is a cosmic decisive moment in human history (my
opinion).
Thank you, Life Itself!!!!!
femrap
(13,418 posts)just whisper. Want me to delete the Anonymous posts? No big deal. I simply think they righted a wrong. That's it.
I believe it's a cosmic decisive moment in human history as well....but I believe I have to include the almighty Cat as well!
Plus the paradigm is to shift very soon.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)evil eye for the oversight. They will not re-elect me
as their slave, in other words.
Don't get me wrong I love that Anonymous exists
and I wish them all the goodness integrity and wisdom
in the world, not to mention brilliance and geekiness.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)The midwest plus NH meant Obama won anyway. Rove was out of options no matter what. Add on FL and VA and any messing around in OH really, really did not matter.
Rove is disgusting but he was screwed no matter what he did.
Did Romney think he was going to win one of those states? Obama won without having to win OH, VA, FL, or NC.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)but it would be very cool if the OH Election were investigated and KKKarl ended up in Jail!!!!
Oh, what a deliriously happy thought!
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)wasn't going to do something illegal when it was pointless to do so.
JBoy
(8,021 posts)His calls for a Romney win were always bullshit, intended to motivate the base.
Sometime on election day, he and Fox News hatched a plan where he would show outrage and disbelief when Ohio was called, and then they'd have the dramatic trip back to interview the number-cruncher guys.
Didn't Kelly say as she was walking back to the control center that she had rehearsed that walk earlier in the day?
obamanut2012
(25,869 posts)It was obvious Rove's freakout was real.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...she specifically said, "when we did this in rehearsals, I lost sound right about here (she referred to a specific location in the hall) and that is what is starting to happen now..." Then she continued walking and talking as she made her way into the numbers room.
I think she was more concerned, and swept up in the possibility that there could be technical difficulties. It made her nervous. I think she accidentally revealed that they had rehearsed this whole walk back through the hallways and into the number cruncher room.
So yes, I think it is very bizarre that they were acting bewildered about so much unanticipated uncertainty and confusion--when they had planned and REHEARSED for the confusion by doing a dry run earlier in the day!!
Yeah. That's screwy!
No need for tinfoil... Turd Blossom knew all along they were sunk and staged a bit of theater
Brother Buzz
(36,127 posts)I'm just saying
yardwork
(61,331 posts)That's why Romney's team disregarded all the polls showing that Obama was ahead. Their plan was to suppress/change enough of the Democratic vote to swing the election. They failed, but the Republicans will try again. They've got a lot of Republican governors and state legislators in their camp now.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Cuz this goes there.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Who could think someone would loot an S&L, use the proceeds to buy guns, use the guns to buy drugs, use the drugs to buy politicians, newsmen and elections, and then see all the blame pinned on the president? Yet, that is what Poppy Bush and his crew managed during Iran-Contra. Then, Bush forgave the traitors before there were any trials to implicate his own hidden role in high treason. That'd be beyond tinfoil.
texpatriot2004
(15,321 posts)Don't you think?
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)right as Rove said Romney can still take Ohio. that is exactly what happened in 2004 in Ohio. In 2004 when ti came back online it gave Bush the votes.
this time it gave Obama the votes. There was a great possibility of an investigation of the Ohio software if Romney's numbers went up. Several election protection advocates spoke in DC at a press conference on tuesday at 12Pm about the lawsuit, and the software.
check on bradblog for more information.
Several interesting thing happened i Ohio on election night.
femrap
(13,418 posts)back in '04. One had to see it to believe it. But it was earth-shaking to me. I knew there was something wrong.
I still say Anonymous got in there and corrected the totals to be TRUE AND CORRECT.
It's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
If one did not go through '04 up close and personal, you don't realize what KKKarl and his geeks did. And it's no damn conspiracy. I don't need a tin foil hat. There is EVIL in this world and KKKarl is it...and now he gets his KARMA smacked up the side of his disgustingly fat and mottled face.
KKKarl went to OH again because it's the state that traditionally calls the winner. And Husted would most definitely go along with him. Husted is a slimy piece of excrement.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Husted had been read the riot act by a federal judge once before this campaign season. He's damned lucky he wasn't found in contempt of court.
This would have been a situation like Watergate, where US District Court Judge John Sirica smelled a rat and kept asking questions. Eventually the small fry cracked and started to talk, and the road led straight to Tricky Dick. You don't stiff a federal judge without piquing his or her curiosity and a good judge can sniff out this kind of crapola from a long distance.
Whatever Rover offered Huston and Kasich wasn't enough to make them take that risk.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)"Huston." But then I remembered that Tom Huston was one of the original Dirty Tricksters back in the Watergate era. Weirdly enough, Rove cut his political teeth as one of Donald Segretti's Dirty Tricksters. The Watergate Prosecutor actually opened an investigation into Rove but it died stillborn when Nixon resigned, IIRC.
Still shivering over the Huston\Husted switch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huston_Plan
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Nixon and Kissinger's first-term foreign policy and read the chapter about the Plumbers while I was standing in line on election day. Huston's name was prominently mentioned therein. And I am old enough to have been a Watergate junkie back in the day. Calling Dr. Freud!!
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)How very appropriate!!!!
Just a bit of trivia from someone who LOVES Romance languages, after taking Spanish and Latin in school.
femrap
(13,418 posts)Bob's efforts were dismissed.
The 39 (or whatever number it turned out to be) patches were already on the software.
Then I heard he was filing a 'restraining order' Monday night.
I'll have to check his website.
But it all worked out....OH went to Ohio.
Emit
(11,213 posts)Thanks in advance if you do. I'm on his webstie now and am not finding specifics. Thanks!
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Other recipients:
:: Here's the piece again, with all of the supporting sources embedded in the text. You can also access this piece online: http://wp.me/pkFiL-8YS ::
Late last night, after Obama took Ohio, Karl Rove was on Fox News, doggedly refusing to concede. He insisted that Ohio was still in play, as Romney was going to win in Hamilton Countywhere the votes were "counted" on machines made and maintained by Hart InterCivic, a company effectively controlled by Romney's family. (The same machines were also used in Williams County.)
So it's not surprising that the GOP's Lord Voldemort foresaw an "upset victory" in that county. It is surprising that he said it on Fox News, and when the game was obviously lost, so that a sudden Romney "victory" in Ohio would have seemed especially suspiciouseven in the eyes of Rove's old allies on Fox News (or those not in the loop).
To those of us with vivid memories of Election Nights 2000 and 2004, it was a creepy momentand things got even creepier when Brad Friedman reported that the website of the Ohio SoS had suddenly done down, which had also happened at that very hour eight years before; and when it had come back on, Kerry, who had been ahead, was now behind. Andhorriblythe rest was history.
But that didn't happen this time, as Rove had obviously lost controlof himself (his recklessness in mouthing off like that was staggering), and, infinitely more important, of his well-oiled, fabulously subsidized election-theft machine. For all his plans, and all the preparations made by Ohio SoS Jon Husted (among others), Rove was clearly overruled on this Election Day, as cooler heads prevailed.
The fact is that, this time, yet another late-night "upset victory" would have been too riskyfor the US press had finally done its job, enough to make a lot of people conscious of what's happened to our voting system, and, therefore,of what could happen to let Romney "win."
The honor roll includes, among many others, Harper's (for publishing Victoria Collier's brilliant overview), the Atlantic, Esquire, the Christian Science Monitor, Forbes (which came out with a killer piece about Ohio's voting system early on Election Day), Huffington Post, and even DailyKos (which had been fervently denialist since 2004).
This time, such organs, and others, played up news that most of them would once have buried or ignoredespecially the news of what was happening in Ohio, broken by Gerry Bello and Bob Fitrakis in the Columbus Free Press, and carried even by such unlikely outlets as Fox 19 in Cincinnati.
In short, our work online was finally resonating through the mainstream pressnot the New York Times or CNN, of course, but others numerous and respectable enough to give some traction to the questions we've been raising for so many years. Thus the old smear of "conspiracy theory" finally sounded not like common sense but like the mere ad hominem evasion that it's really always been; and so those few who used that smear this time were shot to pieces for it.
When NBC's Chuck Todd compared concerns about e-voting to "birther garbage," Brad Friedman cleaned his clock, with a devastating catalogue of proven instances of fraud that didn't just expose the ignorance of NBC's so-called "elections expert," but which can now be used by anyone who wants to fight for fair elections.
And, as usual, that tired old slur came not just from the corporate media but, even louder, from the leftThinkProgress and Alternet both coming out with marvelously stupid pieces whose effect, potentially, is so destructive that Karl Rove himself might just as well have written them. (In its error-riddled item calling the Hart InterCivic story "FALSE," Snopes.com used Alternet as a source.) And yet the dozens of smart, angry comments posted in response to those outrageous screeds make clear that leftist pundits can no longer get away with laughing off this all-important fight for real elections in America.
It's time to put an end to such complacent jeering; because people need to knowand want to knowwhat's happened here, and what they can do about it. That growing public interest is the reason why our work has finally broken through, with Brad, Victoria, Bob, Gerry and Harvey Wasserman, Jonathan Simon, Sally Castleman, Richard Charnin, Michael Collins, Greg Palast, Bev Harris, John Ennis, Sheila Parks, Paul Lehto, Marta Steele and so many others (and please do forgive me if I didn't name you hereI'm really tired!) finally seeing, if not their names in lights, their vital findings resonating through the public sphere. In my own case, that broad public interest recently came home to me when my half-hour interview with Heather Wokusch on MNN (NYC's public access channel) instantly went viral up on YouTube, getting over 80,000 hits in just four days.
And it's because our work has reached so many people that it's not just we ourselves who spread the word, but countless others who aren't activists. As Rove and his confederates mulled their options yesterday, who knows how much they fretted over that explosive bit of video posted by "centralpavoter," showing that an ES&S iVotronic e-voting machine had repeatedly flipped his Obama vote to Romney? (The Raleigh Telegram reported that the same thing was happening on machines in North Carolina.) The fact that it went viralvividly disproving the GOP's propaganda claimsthat Democrats were somehow flipping Romney voteshad to help decide them not to rip off this election after all.
So while this day after is a thrilling time for Democrats, it is a moment of rare triumph for those fighting for legitimate elections in America. We're feeling this elation not because Barack Obama won, but because we've helped prevent the right from pulling off another "win" despite the will of the electorate. Anddespite that Democratic sweepwe will keep up this fight to realize American democracy itself, which must be saved not only from Karl Rove, the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson, but from the long joint grip of both the parties, and the money flooding through them.
MCM
*****
From Victoria Collier:
THANK YOU TO THE ELECTION INTEGRITY MOVEMENT!
The awareness of potential GOP vote rigging was unprecedented leading up to the 2012 November election, and it made a difference. Many within the election integrity movement Progressives, Libertarians and even Republicans did not believe that Mitt Romney could win in honest elections.
Election Day 2012 did see break-downs of electronic voting machines all across the country, enormous lines in African-American districts, and we will probably end up tallying millions of likely-Democratic votes lost in voter roll purges, discarded ballots, and other votes lost to GOP robo-calling and other dirty tricks.
Which means that, as in 2008, it's likely that Democratic wins are much larger than officially recorded.
But the alarms had been sounded presidential vote-rigging was unprecedented and MILLIONS of eyes were on Ohio and Florida.
Though we still have a task in front of us instituting election reform; clean elections, the end of corporate campaign financing, and transparent vote counting we must count this election in many ways as a victory for our movement.
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Victoria Collier
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(11,213 posts)checking it out now
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)K&R
LiberalArkie
(15,673 posts)Arkansas. We have the same type machine as was in the video. The lady operating the voting machine after unplugging the supervisor module said " Please pay attention to the button you press. It will light up. It it doesn't call for me immediately".
I think that was the hack to randomly change the Obama button because most people do not look at it once it is pressed.
leanforward
(1,071 posts)Thanks for the education and information. I've taken the time to read the posts from old #1. One item you mentioned is the amount of sunlight that was placed on the election to include the Judge. The sunlight and suit probably did the trick. But, I'm skeptical about anything. With your explanation applied to timeline coupled with actions probably caught Rove with his hand in the cookie jar and let it go. As in any good mystery, Rove my not have told the Romney Campaign. Except the Orca geeks/gurus. Just read an article about the Romney campaign Orca. But, their Orca projected winning results. Do you think ? ? ? ?
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)election, you create the idea that the election is going to be very close. Do you remember how the Dem Party handed 2004 to Bush without counting the votes?
Because the "too close to call' was implanted. same thing this time.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)about that hour and the next day I discovered DU, got tangled up in all the name that shall not be mentioned here crap. Haven't given up since!
Raksha
(7,167 posts)Thank you for the link to the Mark Crispin Miller article. I've read his book Fooled Again and I agree that he's one of the best.
Through the MCM link, I found this earlier article from the Free Press by Bob Fitrakis: It begins:
A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio's 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush.
The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio's vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash. (my emphasis)
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239
My point, obviously, is that it may not only have been fear of 10 years or so in the slammer that caused Rove's would-be hackers to lose their nerve at the last minute.
yardwork
(61,331 posts)I'll see if I can find it. The judge was furious with them for making changes at 7 pm on the Friday before the election. They knew they were being watched in Ohio.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)microscope, as was the case in Ohio before the election (and that is absolutely crucial here) there is much less wiggle room. The judge's suspicions were already on hair-trigger alert because of Husted's earlier shenanigans.
So Husted (and maybe Kasich) had two options: go through with the fix that had been pre-arranged with Rove, in which case the judge would start asking some very difficult questions which, when the truth inevitably came out, would lead to the very real possibility of extended time in the federal slammer for a lot of Ohio Republicans; or mind their ps and qs and fk over KKKarl, which would have the added advantage of keeping them out of the Big House. Nobody is gonna go to heavy-duty prison just to save Karl Rove's doughy ass. Nobody. Not even a couple of shitweasels like Kasich and Husted. There is no honor among thieves.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)yardwork
(61,331 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)attorneys like that in court just any old day. Judge Marbley sounds like he is fast approaching what I call the Popeye Point - "I've had all I can stands and I can't stands no more!" "Contempt of court" is a phrase that comes to mind.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)It apparently failed, or turnout was so high that the rig was inadequate.
They were "shellshocked" because they were given a guaranteed win in OH and it failed (JMHO).
Carni
(7,280 posts)I posted something along those lines in another thread but I didn't word it very well. I think the massive turnout foiled Rove's plans.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Thank God they were this time around!
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)October
(3,363 posts)Also, JMHO.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Even if they won Ohio, they still lost.
is right.
smackd
(216 posts)Liberal In Red State
(442 posts)went home for he night . . . My bet is that he already knew that he was under scrutiny by the AG office for voting rights abuse and he wasn't going to be party to anything further that Rove wanted him to do . . . Same in FL - MSNBC Todd kept saying there were some panhandle counties that hadn't reported . . . He could not figure out why . . . But he was convinced that the Miami Dade numbers would easily surpass anything from the last Republican counties. Suddenly Miami Dade said they would not complete the count that night. I think that the Obama people said to stop the count until all of the Republic counties report - because they were sure that the Repugs were going to mess with the numbers depending on what MiamiDade reported!
tinrobot
(10,830 posts)I was wondering why Florida stopped counting and this explanation makes a lot of sense.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)advocates went public in DC on Tuesday at noon. It is their work , in my opinion, that stopped that particular theft.
not the Attorney general. He still has not even found the fraud in Florida he was supposedly investigating. Citizens found it.
credit where credit is due. please.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)In the end, Ohio really didn't matter.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)As I stated above, even if the fix was in and Ohio was called for Romney, he still loses the election.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)also fix the other 50 states. getting out the vote ensures ONE election. Not the future of democracy.
Things are not okay because we won this specific election. Things are ok for this specific election.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Stealing an election isn't easy if you have to steal ALL of it.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)Of course they can. Of course it is easy. they own the software. It is privately owned. by the right. It is not owned by the American public. or even operated by the American public or public officials. It is private.
Merlot
(9,693 posts)And I believe Oregon votes by mail with ballots, which can be hand counted.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)exact same bad voting machine company. Diebold.
Merlot
(9,693 posts)I know LA county uses Inkadots, I thought the rest of CA does too. At least these are paper ballots.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)WE are the largest county in the country, with more than 4500 precincts. Each number men as a different thing in each precinct. The computer scanner with the diebold program (just like yours) determines what each number means. #3 in my precinct might be Obama. in the next precinct over #3 means Romney.
I went and watched the count more than once. An "header card" is placed in front of th ballots. We don't know what it says. but it has computer code on it which tells the scanner who the vote for #3 is for.
There is NO way to verify.
It is the sam all over California. Yes we have paper ballots. That is MUCH better than not having paper ballots. But have you ever tried to get the paper ballots to recount? for any reason?
CitizenPatriot
(3,783 posts)the tabulator was on the results as they were sent to SOS. For this reason, Dem counties held their votes back until the R counties were in (or maybe they just got lucky and weren't ready to send them in yet). (note: aren't these the tabulators that were shown to be shaving votes off yesterdays count?)
The problem here is that while Rove et al were expecting the votes to be shaved off in the tabulator and votes added to the Romney counties, hence the freak out and the failure to write a concession speech. they also thought that it would be easier to steal because their internal polling had it at 50/50 when in reality it was Obama's already.
(Edited ^ to add in bit about adding to the red counties, which I left out of my thought)
But with the Dem counties out till way after the red counties, the only thing they could hope for was to shave those votes off but they couldn't do it by a wide enough margin and the folks reporting before those votes were turned in already had the MATH done and knew what to expect.
Hysterical fail, actually. The only question is did the Dem counties hold back their numbers on purpose to thwart this,or was it accidental.
God I love the smell of JUSTICE an GOP FAIL.
LisaL
(44,961 posts)It also had issues with voter scanners where they were not working properly in some precincts. But even when everything works properly, Cuyahoga always comes in last.
donqpublic
(155 posts)Does anyone wonder if the last-minute software update in OH was an un-hack? With the Feds eyeballing Husted maybe he got cold feet. Just wondering since the update went on largely Democrat area machines (from the report). Who knows, but it would make a cool story.
yourout
(7,518 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)yourout
(7,518 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)of this and to understand what happened. This was a repeat of 2004, with a different outcome because a judge was watching Ohio!
dawnie51
(959 posts)election night, made a statement that there would be no more statements, and was out of there. Didn't even wait for the state to be called.
tinrobot
(10,830 posts)Botany
(70,219 posts)FamilyMan
(31 posts)If you look at the timeline of Jon Husted's vote counting website going down and Rove's meltdown they coincide with each other. Obama's lead had decreased to only 900 votes before the website went down, half hour later when it comes back up Obama is up 70,000 votes. The fix was in but Husted got cold feet, I say they reversed the fix during the site outage.
-Notice how Obama went from a 20,000+ lead to only 900 votes in no time and then Rove starts 'telling' us what 'can' happen on que.
-Notice how Rove was in constant communication with Jon Husted...why??...no reason to be.
-The network then decides to call Ohio, at the same time Husted's website goes offline, then comes back up just over half an hour later with almost 70,000 votes added back to Obama's total.
Obama should of won Ohio by 3-5% according to the polls, instead he won by 1.9%. If you add the sudden vote decrease back in it comes to ~3%. Even Romney's internal polls had Obama up by 5% in Ohio. The polls had Obama leading the other swing states by a lot less than Ohio yet he won those by 4-5%. It just doesn't add up.
There are screen shots and time stamps of Husted's site going down which are priceless. It doesn't take much research to see what Rove and Husted were up to, just like in '04. Top level programmers suspect a vote flipping program that starts switching cast votes at a pre determined midpoint, because having them switch early or late would be obvious. They suspect a gradual intersecting line graph model that starts taking from one candidate and giving to another in a gradual manner until the vote count flips. Keep pressure on the DOJ to investigate Husted, he is a travesty to our entire democratic voting system.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)leanforward
(1,071 posts)Thank you for the above analysis. Heads up. Surely, there is someone else looking into what happened in that time period. I don't watch Faux very much, but we just happened to switch and watched that strange happening. And the Stats guys wouldn't budge. The producers pulled the call for a bit. That whole episode smacks of collusion. At risk of being offensive, I like to recommend an old western movie starring Gary Cooper, The Hanging Tree. Only there's no gold certificate blowing away to attract the mob. Keep in mind that Rove was on the periphery of Bush-Cheney-Iraq. Soldiers, sailors, marines, & airmen died and he's pulling this stunt. He needs a lot of time at Gitmo for fresh air.
Rant over.
TheBluestEye
(97 posts)bleever
(20,616 posts)Blue4Texas
(437 posts)He would be found out and gone to jail
amborin
(16,631 posts)said the Cayuhoga elections office vote counting server went down twice, while Rove was in meltdown....suspicious coincidence.....
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,127 posts)Thanks to all for the great information.....
Shilo
(101 posts)now if only we could get out the vote for the mid terms---thats something we need to work on the lack of voters during the midterms. Make the Congress do their damn job.
FamilyMan
(31 posts)Until Jon Husted is removed from office. The machines/software are privately contracted to openly Republican companies. Husted gave the voting software contract to the same group as '04. And due to laws ONLY the private software company holds rights to the results, they don't have to show anyone anything. Write every official you can to have a crack IT team investigate Jon Husted. Until then he is rotting the roots of our democracy.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)train election officials. They actually have a school to train election officials. Which is where the testers come from who do the testing for the federal government. And the EAC, in charge of all the testers has 2 bush appointees, and two empty chairs in charge.
The whole election oversight system we have currently was put in place by George W Bush....
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)with links to supporting stories
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1091627
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)smackd
(216 posts)they were just too arrogant and too blinded by their own hubris to realize they never had a chance
they thought they had it in the bag b/c they simply thought they had most Americans fooled
and they were way, way wrong
guess I'm not a very good conspiracy theorist they make for great stories, but reality is generally a lot more mundane
ergo, they're mostly just asshats
D23MIURG23
(2,821 posts)The likelihood of any large scale hacking of voting machines is diminishing rapidly. This is the second presidential election where we have won Ohio, and there are still no whistle blowers, dirty code, or evidences pointing to conspiracies to hack voting machines. There are statistical anomalies from 2004. That is a pretty bad case for establishing large conspiracies to steal elections.
Rmoney's lack of a concession speech is easily explained by overconfidence; this same explanation also covers Rove's apparent shock at Ohio being called for Obama, and his subsequent attempts to cast doubt on that outcome.
Your post is a poor attempt at protecting a conspiracy theory from reality by inventing more stories you don't have any evidence to confirm.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Your post is a poor attempt at protecting a conspiracy to steal elections.
D23MIURG23
(2,821 posts)I'm protecting Karl Rove's vote stealing conspiracy, just like I protect the perpetrators of the moon landing conspiracy, and the people in the federal government who secretly set up 9/11.
Or maybe I'm just trying to protect DU from looking like its full of nutty Alex Jones fans. If you want to look like a moron though, don't let me stand in your way.
On a serious note, you should consider googling "burden of proof" and "null hypothesis".
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I don't know whether the OP is positing an actual vote-hacking accusation or not. I know that Republicans, as a whole, have done a million other incredibly blatant things to try to cheat elections. Ask anyone who stood in line for 9 hours to vote because Republican governors slashed early voting.
Ohio, vote-hacking or not, has been the worst example of this. So, Republicans DID try to steal Ohio. They tried to steal it by going to court to fight for cutting voting hours ONLY in Democratic districts.
Be that as it may, Rove, melting down and humiliating himself on Fox acted like a man who thought he knew something everyone else did not.
Maybe that's just his personality. His hubris. His marketing "brand."
Or maybe he really thought the Republican machine had pulled something off, legal or illegal or somewhere in between, that should have guaranteed them Ohio.
If he was really just "crunching the numbers" as he claimed to be doing, there was no reason to question the call.
He thought he knew something. Doesn't have to have been vote hacking. Doesn't have to have been voter suppression. But his disbelief was palpable. His panic was real. He genuinely thought things COULD NOT be going the way they went.
Occam's Razor says he just miscalculated. But I think people can be forgiven if they don't find "Karl Rove" and "simplest possible explanation" go together well.
D23MIURG23
(2,821 posts)I know that there have been voter suppression attempts involving dumping registrations and putting up barriers to voting. Those are documented.
You know what else is documented? Right wing pundits predicting a Romney landslide. That has been happening all election cycle, and it is likely that this is why Rove and Rmoney were surprised. They drank their own kool aid.
If we want to reform elections, we should work on the problems that are demonstrated, like governors trying to make all the democratic counties vote on a single machine, or purging their voter rolls of the people living in Miami. We shouldn't waste our credibility promoting ideas that are probably not literally true.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)??Ⓐ??
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Romney could have won Ohio, Virginia, and Florida and he would have STILL lost.
Nobody hacked anything and it's time to stop promoting that stupid conspiracy theory.
musette_sf
(10,182 posts)riiiiiiiiight
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)All the batshit crazy conspiracy theories in the world are not going to change the fact that NOBODY has EVER hacked the vote.
And trying to promote the idea that it has and will happen is nothing more than idiocy on the same level as birtherism.
musette_sf
(10,182 posts)has just said more about you than all of your naysaying on this topic
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)they claim false equivalency when compared to an another conspiracy theorist.
Nobody hacked the vote in 2004.
Nobody hacked the vote in 2006.
Nobody hacked the vote in 2008.
Nobody hacked the vote in 2010.
Nobody hacked the vote in the Wisconsin recall election.
Nobody hacked the vote in 2012.
The government did not blow up world trade 7.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
The United States of America successfully landed 12 men on the moon and safely returned them to the earth.
musette_sf
(10,182 posts)is amping up the false equivalency.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)A conspiracy theorist is a conspiracy theorist.
Facts are facts. It is a factual statement to say that the vote has never been hacked. It is false to say it has.
Now maybe you'll just go ahead and play out the full on conspiracy theorist instead of making round about implications.
Go ahead, you know you want to.
Say that I am in on the conspiracy.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Blacks Award"?
No, I've got it! Here's your "Tonkin Gulf Non-Incident Award."
D23MIURG23
(2,821 posts)As far as I know, there is no specific evidence of vote flipping. There is some analysis that shows that Ohio's 2004 result was statistically unlikely. That isn't the same thing as evidence of a conspiracy.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)but I believe your posts point to a very heartwarming, fatal flaw some humans have.
We just don't like to believe that our fellow humans would do unpleasant things. Or that people would conspire to cover up unpleasant behaviors because they benefit from the coverup in some way.
That's why Jerry Sandusky was able to continue his crimes. Nobody wanted to imagine his horrific abuse of children, so that many who tried to complain about the man were told they were: "Crazy, jealous, inventing abuse, imagining abuse, blah-blah-blah."
The same as you are doing concerning vote flipping.
I admire your naive scorn. Your self-righteous mockery.
I admire even more those who press on past their scorn to see the truth.
Uncomfortable? Maybe. But the truth doesn't care if you like it or not.
D23MIURG23
(2,821 posts)If you've got evidence then I await your citations.
As for the rest, you show an irritating combination of condescension and vapidity. You apparently can't grok the difference between something being believable, and something being evident. It is certainly possible, believable even, that Karl Rove would set up an election rigging conspiracy, he has a motive, and doing such a thing would be consistent with his character.
What you and some of the other featherweights on this site need to realize is that the fact that you can imagine something that seems realistic doesn't mean it has to be true. Seeing you guys contort yourselves, and invent circuitous rationalizations to avoid the fact that Nate Silver predicted the outcomes of the 2008, 2010, Walker Recall, and now 2012 elections, and that we won two of those decisively, is pathetic and embarrassing. If Rove was in control of the voting machines in this last election, then he sucks at election fraud worse than you suck at logic.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)D23MIURG23
(2,821 posts)D23MIURG23
(2,821 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)AllyCat
(15,987 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(13,996 posts)he smiles as he taps the "Ohio" icon...
but instead of the "Deployed" confirmation, an animated, laughing Guy Fawkes mask appears instead.
In reality: I doubt they were really capable of hacking a last minute hack.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)That rang a bell, and I posted this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021744429
but it only got two recs before the election was over. I think people who say Rove was panicking because his back-up plan misfired are correct. And I believe he gave this away, when he mentioned Hamilton County.
Sam
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LisaL
(44,961 posts)So, why would Rove think Romney was going to get all these votes there?
Samantha
(9,314 posts)But the advance publicity on the Romney family owned investments in voting machines pinpointed one with a connection to Romney's son. The one voting machine in Ohio with a Romney family connection was in Hamilton County. So to answer your question, there was a suspicion that if any tampering was done in Ohio, one of the first places would be in Hamilton County. So the theory goes, that is what Rove was thinking. Things went wrong when it became readily apparent Ohio was not going to make a difference, so the totals reported are assumed to be correct, no tampering was done because the election was lost and why take the risk if Ohio was not determinative.
One might have had to be on this train before it left the track. It's late, and if I did not explain this well, perhaps someone else could state it more clearly.
But I should pointblank say, no one made a direct accusation; however, the alerts went out and all eyes were on Ohio, and Franklin County was in the spotlight.
I personally sent that information to the Obama campaign team with a simple message, "Are you aware of this?"
Sam
elleng
(129,797 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)or did not happen, the fact that Obama's team flushed out new voters with superior IT skills that went overwhelmingly Democratic that Ohio and Florida are no longer Kingmakers. In the end, you can't hack a whole new generation of involved human beings.
But I do love that Rove has some 'splainin' to do to some pretty "hacked" off donors.