Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:02 PM
Nevilledog (45,495 posts)
Margaret Atwood: Go Ahead and Ban My Book
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-virginia-book-ban-library-removal/673013/
No paywall https://archive.is/7FOGY It’s shunning time in Madison County, Virginia, where the school board recently banished my novel The Handmaid’s Tale from the shelves of the high-school library. I have been rendered “unacceptable.” Governor Glenn Youngkin enabled such censorship last year when he signed legislation allowing parents to veto teaching materials they perceive as sexually explicit. This episode is perplexing to me, in part because my book is much less sexually explicit than the Bible, and I doubt the school board has ordered the expulsion of that. Possibly, the real motive lies elsewhere. The conservative Christian group Focus on the Family generated the list of “unacceptable” books that reportedly inspired the school board’s action, and at least one member of the public felt the school board was trying to “limit what kids can read” based on religious views. Could it be that the board acted under the mistaken belief that The Handmaid’s Tale is anti-Christian? The truth is that the inspiration for The Handmaid’s Tale is in part biblical: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves” (Matthew 7:15). The novel sets an inward faith and core Christian values—which I take to be embodied in the love of neighbor and the forgiveness of sins—against totalitarian control and power-hoarding cloaked in a supposed religiousness that is mostly based on the earlier scriptures in the Bible. The stealing of women for reproductive purposes and the appropriation of their babies appears in Genesis 30, when Rachel and Leah turn their “handmaids” over to Jacob and then claim the children as their own. My novel is also an exploration of the theoretical question “What kind of a totalitarianism might the United States become?” I suggest we’re beginning to see the real-life answer to that query. Wittingly or otherwise, the Madison County school board has now become part of the centuries-old wrangling over who shall have control of religious texts and authority over what they mean. In its early-modern form, this power struggle goes back to the mid-15th-century appearance of the Gutenberg printing press, which allowed a wider dissemination of printed materials, including Bibles. *snip*
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Nevilledog | Feb 13 | OP |
SheltieLover | Feb 13 | #1 | |
RKP5637 | Feb 13 | #2 | |
Hekate | Feb 14 | #30 | |
RKP5637 | Feb 14 | #39 | |
Dr. Strange | Feb 14 | #41 | |
crickets | Feb 13 | #3 | |
S/V Loner | Feb 13 | #4 | |
MontanaMama | Feb 13 | #7 | |
Irish_Dem | Feb 13 | #13 | |
panader0 | Feb 13 | #20 | |
paleotn | Feb 13 | #5 | |
FakeNoose | Feb 13 | #6 | |
tavernier | Feb 13 | #9 | |
wnylib | Feb 13 | #19 | |
panader0 | Feb 13 | #22 | |
wnylib | Feb 13 | #23 | |
llmart | Feb 13 | #24 | |
wnylib | Feb 14 | #28 | |
RKP5637 | Feb 14 | #40 | |
Ollie Garkie | Feb 13 | #8 | |
tavernier | Feb 13 | #10 | |
Irish_Dem | Feb 13 | #14 | |
Elessar Zappa | Feb 13 | #25 | |
Irish_Dem | Feb 14 | #31 | |
Duppers | Feb 13 | #15 | |
IronLionZion | Feb 13 | #11 | |
niyad | Feb 13 | #12 | |
tiredtoo | Feb 13 | #16 | |
SouthernDem4ever | Feb 13 | #17 | |
radical noodle | Feb 14 | #32 | |
ShazzieB | Feb 13 | #18 | |
Solly Mack | Feb 13 | #21 | |
SalviaBlue | Feb 13 | #26 | |
Timeflyer | Feb 13 | #27 | |
Hekate | Feb 14 | #29 | |
malthaussen | Feb 14 | #33 | |
Wounded Bear | Feb 14 | #34 | |
Pepsidog | Feb 14 | #35 | |
LiberalLovinLug | Feb 14 | #36 | |
czarjak | Feb 14 | #37 | |
Martin68 | Feb 14 | #38 |
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:11 PM
SheltieLover (57,073 posts)
1. Kicking for Visability
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:13 PM
RKP5637 (64,866 posts)
2. The bible should be banned. It's nothing but a book of propaganda and hatred! And
weird drug laced stories, The Book of Revelation.
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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 12:37 AM
Hekate (82,765 posts)
30. I thought Democrats/Liberals/Progressives were against book banning. Yes?
Response to Hekate (Reply #30)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:10 PM
RKP5637 (64,866 posts)
39. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire! n/t
Response to Hekate (Reply #30)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:31 PM
Dr. Strange (25,711 posts)
41. No, censorship is surprisingly (and depressingly) popular among the left.
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:14 PM
crickets (24,593 posts)
3. Well said, Ms. Atwood. Well said. nt
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:24 PM
S/V Loner (8,934 posts)
4. They banned it because it...
exposes them.
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Response to S/V Loner (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:44 PM
MontanaMama (21,524 posts)
7. Damn straight it does. N/t
Response to S/V Loner (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:58 PM
panader0 (25,605 posts)
20. Banning her book only proves her correct.
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:28 PM
paleotn (15,716 posts)
5. Madison County VA? I figured the NC border or the Shenandoah Valley. Close.
West of Culpepper. Just outside the DC orbit. Trumplandia. I guess they just don't like Atwood sharing their plans.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:40 PM
FakeNoose (28,359 posts)
6. I believe the teens in Virginia will be flocking to read her books now
Especially "The Handmaid's Tale." Margaret Atwood is a treasure.
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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #6)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:55 PM
tavernier (11,317 posts)
9. That always happens
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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #6)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:50 PM
wnylib (17,271 posts)
19. I can imagine them taking the book out from the library, or,
if it isn't available there, they will order it online and pass it around among their friends.
It will become the most popular book in the school. |
Response to wnylib (Reply #19)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 09:00 PM
panader0 (25,605 posts)
22. We did that in high school with Terry Southern's 'Candy'.
Response to panader0 (Reply #22)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 09:04 PM
wnylib (17,271 posts)
23. I was thinking the same thing while typing
my last post. I read a copy of Candy that my cousin had. Don't know where or how she got it.
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Response to wnylib (Reply #19)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 09:57 PM
llmart (14,257 posts)
24. They've probably already watched it on Hulu.
These people who want to ban stuff like this from high school students are so out of touch with reality of these times.
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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #6)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 05:11 PM
RKP5637 (64,866 posts)
40. Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:52 PM
Ollie Garkie (160 posts)
8. Wow
These hogs are sooooo transparent.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 07:57 PM
tavernier (11,317 posts)
10. It's like they don't get it that these days
you can get anything on the Internet.
Go ahead and tell a kid he’s not allowed to read something. |
Response to tavernier (Reply #10)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:20 PM
Irish_Dem (35,537 posts)
14. Unless we become like China, were everything is monitored.
Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #14)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 10:00 PM
Elessar Zappa (10,626 posts)
25. You can get around it in China.
One of our DUers posts from there and he uses a VPN to access websites that the CCP blocks.
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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #25)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 07:42 AM
Irish_Dem (35,537 posts)
31. We shall see how that works out in the long run.
And he is not a Chinese national.
Even if you can "work around" something in China doesn't mean you are not being monitored. |
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:05 PM
IronLionZion (41,985 posts)
11. Some conservatives might use it as an instructional manual
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:32 PM
tiredtoo (2,727 posts)
16. We must put together a group to ban Bibles. EOM
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:34 PM
SouthernDem4ever (2,478 posts)
17. I am impressed at her level of analysis and thought
And I really think she based Aunt Lydia on Sarah Sanders.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Reply #17)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 10:24 AM
radical noodle (7,750 posts)
32. LOL!
That would be perfect (if she hadn't written it so long ago).
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:38 PM
ShazzieB (10,383 posts)
18. The crazies probably flipped out because the book contains the "F" word.
Among many other things of course, but I'll bet that's a big one. The narrator, Offred, uses it to describe what the Commander is doing to her during the monthly ritual of trying to impregnate her, and I honestly can't think of a better word for what is happening during that scene. None of the common euphemisms apply, really, because she's describing an utterly impersonal, completely animal act. I guess that's what the book banners consider "sexually explicit," lol.
They'd probably consider the book "sexually explicit" even without that, though. After all, it's pretty clear that sex is what the handmaids are there for, the reason they even exist. People like these VA book banners don't want their kids to read anything that even implies that sex can happen in any context other than between a husband and wife in a heterosexual marriage. Mustn't give the kiddies any "ideas," you know! ![]() |
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 10:04 PM
SalviaBlue (2,820 posts)
26. Recommend!
Thanks for posting.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 10:53 PM
Timeflyer (1,110 posts)
27. She's awesome, Handmaid's Tale is a modern classic. Thanks for posting.
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 12:35 AM
Hekate (82,765 posts)
29. Kick and Rec with pleasure
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 11:24 AM
malthaussen (15,870 posts)
33. What Margaret Atwood takes to be Christianity...
... is exactly anti- to the thing being practiced under the name of Christianity, as I am sure she understands.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 11:37 AM
Wounded Bear (55,353 posts)
34. She should thank them. Banning a book is typically good for sales...
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 11:59 AM
Pepsidog (6,018 posts)
35. When the show first premiered in 2018 there was a flashback scene that has lead character played by
Elizabeth Olson to a time when women first began losing their rights. For context, the plot features a dystopian future following the Second American Civil War wherein a theonomic, totalitarian society subjects fertile women, called "Handmaids," to child-bearing slavery. (from wiki). The flashback was Olson remembering a time before the war when Olson left for work. Before walking out of the house, she reminds her husband to sign her birth control prescription. Without the husband’s consent she had no right to birth control. I told my wife and two daughters about this and warned them don't be surprised if this doesn't happen in some states soon. All three looked at me like I was nuts. Crazy Dad being an alarmist, that could never happen here in NJ. The fact is that NJ is a Dem state, but after Dobbs and Bruen every horrific possibility is on the table which should scare the crap out of us all, not just women.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 01:26 PM
LiberalLovinLug (13,688 posts)
36. Way too deep for them to understand.
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 02:35 PM
czarjak (8,823 posts)
37. But, yea pussy-grabbing! Huh, Gov?
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2023, 03:37 PM
Martin68 (20,326 posts)
38. My parents lived in Madison County after they retired. It is a very, very conservative place. I can
guarantee the county probably has more Trumpists per acre than most places in the US.
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