Pink Floyd Feud Spills Out Into Public As Roger Waters, David Gilmour Go At it

Fuck Roger Waters.

Pink Floyd was one of the few 70s mega acts not to play as a group. But Gilmour still knew it was important enough to find the stage without Waters.

Bob Ezrin has a great story of Waters recruiting him to help with the Wall because he told Bob the other three members were too hard to handle. Bob states he quickly realized the other three were easy to handle and Waters was a pain in the ass.

Waters was always too abrasive for me, and now that I see that he's a Putin apologist just seals the deal. Plus, nobody can wring emotion out of a single guitar note as well as Gilmour does.

I've learned enough over the past two years to bemoan my past appreciation of the man.
He is a musical genius, but as a human being, not so much.

I had the same reaction to Clapton over the pandemic BS. Another unbelievably talented jackass but I don't think anything he's said has risen to the same level of reprehensibility as Waters.

Boo to both these asses.

Besides the idiotic anti-vaxx stuff, there's also this:

Clapton's life and career are documented in a new film called 'Eric Clapton: Life in 12 Bars', which sees him face up to some pretty disgusting comments that he made in 1976 - namely regarding black immigrants to the UK.

Although he is a key figure in the Rock Against Racism campaign these days, the Daily Mail reports that the former Cream star expressed support for anti-immigrant Tory MP Enoch Powell, and is quoted as saying: “Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the w*gs out. Get the c**ns out. Keep Britain white.”

After the recent London screening of the film, Clapton owned up to the comments and expressed regret. "I was so ashamed of who I was, a kind of semi-racist, which didn’t make sense,” he said. “Half of my friends were black, I dated a black woman and I championed black music’.”

https://entertainment.ie/music/eric-clapton-says-hes-ashamed-of-the-racist-comments-he-made-years-ago-252114/

People are weird and complex.

He made a well publicized racist rant on stage as well in the 70s when he was so trashed he could barely play. He was really fucked up in the mid 70s and frequently cancelled shows. Its all documented in his biographical documentary. But after he lost his son he seemed to get his shit together and his priorities straight. He payed homage to his blues roots and heroes like BB through the late 80s and 90s also charity benefits. He seemed to be a moral redemption story in which tragedy shook him awake. Then covid happened and he seemed to forget all that and start showing his ass regularly…

Glad Gilmour walked away, him I can admire on many many levels!!

Van Morrison, for one.

thats gotta hurt

Not that it was ever that great.

He's never been a singer with significant range though, so even recreating stuff from his younger years is not that challenging.

I doubt he could still pull off, say, the end part of the song 'The Post War Dream' from The Final Cut, but stuff like his parts in Mother and Comfortably Numb ... he can still do okay.

The rare and occasional Waters vocal would have sufficed. By "The Wall" had he put himself out front as featured lead vocalist. Great songs notwithstanding, the constant caw from Roger on that album is a bit off-putting. Robbie Robertson as the primary songwriter in The Band had far better singers than himself in that group, and recognizing that limitation, he rarely sang lead himself. I think "Dark Side" had a better vocal balance.

Bet that riled him up far more than the rest!

Roger Waters Responds To David Gilmour And Polly Samson Calling Him An Antisemitic, Misogynistic Putin Apologist - StereoGum

The former Pink Floyd leader Roger Waters is a longtime critic of Israel, and he’s also been a vocal critic of Joe Biden in recent months, including Biden in a “war criminal” montage during his This Is Not A Drill tour. In interviews, Waters has blamed NATO aggression for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and he’s written an open letter to the first lady of Ukraine, encouraging her husband, President Volodymyr Zelensky, to sue for peace. In a Rolling Stone interview a few months ago, Waters claimed that he’s on “a kill list that is supported by the Ukrainian government.” Right now, some of Waters’ old collaborators are taking aim at him.

More: https://www.stereogum.com/2213134/roger-waters-responds-to-david-gilmour-and-polly-samson-calling-him-an-antisemitic-misogynistic-putin-apologist/news/

see what all the big deal is.
He doesn't hate Jews, he just sees everything in front of him in a negative light. Roger Waters has never met a subject that he wasn't harshly critical of. He has always been like this, it's what he does.

But a big part of that is because I believe in the most important ways, he's a liberal. I'm relatively sure he supports things like protecting the environment, civil rights, gay rights, abortion rights, etc. He's never said/done anything that I recall that was contrary to my most fundamental values as a liberal.

I don't think being critical of the GOVERNMENT of Israel over it's treatment of Palestinians is necessarily equivalent to hating the Jews, as some people seem to want to equate it as. Comparing it the Holocaust is overboard, but I'd need to read the actual quote to determine how offensive it was.

I do have a problem though if he is in any way taking Putin's side over Ukraine. He's always been vigorously anti-war, for obvious reasons, and Putin is the one who started this one. So, my mind is kinda blown over this issue, and it's disappointing to read.

And I also always loved Gilmour ... quite a bit more.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216571419 - and especially the very last paragraph of the OP, and my reply 35 to you.

And reviewing it got me to thinking ... what happened to DanieRains?

was very publicly siding with the Ukraine (for obvious family reasons). I think, Gilmour thinks Roger is just being his usual ass-self about this war. Just like he was pointlessly being an ass over the Animals re-release. Like Waters needed more credit for the album (if anything Rick probably deserves more credit for his work on the album). This is all probably due to David and Nick's ownership of the Pink Floyd name and website and their reluctance to let Roger use it to promote things. Although Roger making an ass of himself is basically why Nick and David are reluctant to let Roger use the Pink Floyd domain name.

"A vocal supporter of the so-called “Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions” (BDS) movement targeting the State of Israel for a comprehensive boycott, Waters’ past tours have featured provocative symbols that included flying pigs branded with a Star of David. In recent years, the singer has flirted with more overt antisemitism, drawing widespread condemnation in 2020 when he described the late pro-Israel billionaire philanthropist Sheldon Adelson as a “puppet master” controlling the US government who believed that “only Jews…are completely human.” Responding to Waters’ attack on Adelson, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) accused him of “deranged antisemitism.”"


In recent months, Waters has attracted criticism for his statements supporting Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. After Waters gave an interview last August in which he called US President Joe Biden a “war criminal” and blamed NATO for Russia’s aggression, the head of Russia’s National Security Council, Dimitri Medvedev, said that the singer’s comments were proof that there were “still decent people in the West.”


https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/01/23/pressure-grows-in-frankfurt-for-cancelation-of-roger-waters-concert-over-rock-singers-antisemitism/

Clearly an antisemite.

o smash in their windows and kick in their doors
(Waiting) for the final solution to strengthen the strain
(Waiting) to follow the worms
(Waiting) to turn on the showers and fire the ovens
(Waiting) for the queers and the coons and the reds and the Jews
(Waiting) to follow the worms
Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms
Would you like to send our colored cousins home again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the worms
The Worms will reconvene outside Brixton bus station
We'll be moving on at about 12 o'clock down Stockwell Road
At that point we'll be heading towards Lambeth Road, where we will be covering some distance
Leaving 12 minutes to three as we move along Lambeth Road towards Vauxhall bridge
Now, when we get to the other side of Vauxhall Bridge, we're in Westminster Borough area
It's quite possible we may encounter some Jew boys from now on, along the way we go

In many ways that album spells out how people descend into fascist behavior in a way that's pretty damn relevant today.

And it's not complimentary when taken in context.

The Wall is very much anti-fascist, although if one cherry-picks lyrics without the full context, as is the case in this post ... it could seem like the opposite.

The Wall is semi-autobiographical. Is Pink really Roger . . . well, yes and no. The Band members have talked extensively about the subject. But in context of other things Roger has said and done, one does wonder if Roger's very heavily covered inner fears of his inner fascist does get the better of him at times just as it gets Pink. As Rick Wright said, The Wall was like a therapy session for Roger that he needed to do, but Rick didn't feel he really needed to do it


If it wasn't for the Nips
Being so good at building ships
The yards would still be open on the Clyde
And that can't be much fun for them
Beneath the rising sun
With all their kids committing suicide

Sure, in context of the character, dropping the slur Nips seems natural. But the rest of the Floyd wasn't dropping a lot of racial slurs like that in their songs. It's a very Roger thing. You get a pass that it's art and the perspective of a character to some point, but once you start putting the star of David on your inflatable pig (offensive on several levels), people do get to reexamine things. And the Wall is semi-autobiographical. Where Roger ends and Pink as just a character begins is very blurred.

If you don't like Bibi (and/or Sheldon Adelson), does that by extension mean you dislike all ethnic Jews?

Similarly, if you hate Trump, does that mean you hate all white people?

If the Pigs had American flags on the side ... might you be accepting of the statement being made, without assuming it means whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, Muslims, and all the others who make up the US population ... all suck?

Just askin'

sides with Russia & calls "PJB a war criminal" is Full of Shite.

And predictably there are those gaslighting and 'splainin' the "true" nature of anti-Semitism.