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babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:27 AM Nov 2012

The Message Republicans didn’t hear

The Message Republicans didn’t hear
President Obama campaigned on ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and won. Now he'll have to fight to do it
By Steve Kornacki


John Boehner waited until the afternoon after to speak publicly about the election, and his words conveyed one basic message: Nothing has changed.

The House speaker offered his congratulations to Barack Obama and Joe Biden and expressed his desire work productively with them. This wasn’t anything new. Americans like to hear their leaders talk about reaching across party lines to solve pressing problems, and Boehner has certainly paid his share of lip service to the idea of bipartisanship these last few years. This has always broken down, though, when the details have come into focus, which was the case once again Wednesday afternoon.

Now that the election is over, the political world’s attention is shifting to the fiscal “cliff,” a catchy term that’s a misnomer in that it suggests a sudden, catastrophic outcome if no deal is reached before scheduled tax hikes and spending cuts go into effect at the end of the year. In fact, as economist Chad Stone has argued, the cliff is really more of a slope, with the expiration of lower payroll tax rates and the Bush tax cuts and the implementation of Pentagon cuts set to gradually take effect as next year unfolds.

This is an important point, because it puts Boehner’s side at a negotiating disadvantage. For more than two decades, a bottom-line concern for the Republican Party has been opposing any and all tax rate increases, particularly for upper-income “job creators.” Not since 1990 has a single Republican member of the House or Senate voted to raise income tax rates, and Republicans spent the run-up to this week’s election vowing to keep all of the Bush rates in effect going forward. Had Mitt Romney won, they would have been able to keep this pledge, but in defeat they have no official power to do so. No matter what Republicans say or do over the next two months, all of the Bush tax cuts will go away if Democrats simply do nothing.

So the name of the game for the GOP is to create public pressure that will compel Democrats to cut some kind of deal that spares wealthy taxpayers and averts the Defense cuts that most Republicans don’t want. The problem is that Obama was just reelected after campaigning on ending the Bush rates on income over $250,000. What was striking about Bohener’s comments on Wednesday was his unwillingness to acknowledge this.

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Translated, this means that Republicans aren’t changing their posture at all. Boehner stressed that he and his fellow Republicans are open to a deal that includes new revenue, but this doesn’t quite mean what it sounds like. As the above comment indicates, the GOP remains as opposed as ever to rate hikes – especially on the wealthy, which is who the Speaker was referring to when he talked about protecting small businesses. What Boehner was endorsing was the basic tax reform framework that Romney just campaigned on and that some congressional Republicans put forward during last year’s debt ceiling drama. Their idea is to cut rates for everyone (and the wealthy especially) and then to “broaden” the tax base by closing some loopholes and ending or capping deductions. Pat Toomey, one of the most conservative Republicans in the Senate, floated this idea last year and a bipartisan group of senators spent this year trying to create a compromise around this framework.

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http://www.salon.com/2012/11/08/the_message_republicans_didnt_hear/

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KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
1. Boner Couldn't Keep The Teabaggers In Check...
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:33 AM
Nov 2012

...for the past two years...and I doubt he'll have much luck in the next two. While some of the shitstains like Walsh and West are gone...most the others remain and new ones are ready to join them. Boner fears his own caucus...the reason why we had so many abortion and tax cut bills that wasted time in the past Congress. I even think he doesn't have enough "moderates" to form coalitions with Democrats (not to mention fewer blue dogs for him to try to lure)...so I expect the House to be both dysfunctional and irrelevant for the next two years.

babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
3. Did you see boner at the presser yesterday?
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:03 AM
Nov 2012

He fumbled through the whole thing; he is one lousy speaker. But I hope the Obama admin is annoyed enough to just do nothing and let them expire...

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
5. Hungover Bigtime...
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:11 AM
Nov 2012

Ya figure he hit the 19th hole early and often as those results were coming in. The double got doubled. He looked faced at that presser...of course ignoring that he's got 9 fewer critters in his sandbox. I'm with you on "going off the cliff"...which as Rachel showed last night...and Lawrence has covered...is more like a slope. Note that Boner did use the word "tax reform"...and this could be the operative word. If the cuts do expire (I hope) and then a bill is introduced that reinstates the cuts on those earning under $250k a year...thus this is "reform" as rushpublicans won't be voting for a tax hike. I know it's crazy but I do see this as how this issue will be resolved...

PrMaine

(39 posts)
4. Confusion
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:08 AM
Nov 2012

There seem to be two different issues that are being confused here. The first is the issue of the Bush tax cuts and the fact that they will expire - for all income, not just for income over $250,000 a year - at the end of the year. Yes, Democrats should just let that happen and yes, they should vote with Republicans if they offer a bill to extend those cuts on incomes below $250,000. In 2013 those tax cuts on lower incomes can be put in place once the Senate modifies their filibuster rule.

The second issue is what is referred to as the fiscal cliff. That issue concerns the array of spending cuts that Congress agreed to in the Budget Control Act of 2011. This bill was enacted as a means of forcing the two sides to deal with the budget stalemate last year when Republicans refused to accept tax increases and Democrats refused to accept spending cuts unless there were tax increases. Again, Democrats will be in a stronger position next year and so Republicans may well be more inclined to negotiate than they have been.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. Yes, Republicans have some incentive to work out a deal on sequestration.
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:14 AM
Nov 2012

If inacted, this will have major effects on DoD and their contractors who are key constituents of the GOP.

Best bet is that they kick the can down the road and just vote to delay it.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
7. Gee, the idea of a "Do Nothing Congress" is exactly what we want, at least for as long as
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:21 AM
Nov 2012

it takes to end the Bush tax cuts. I know this means going back to the previous SS tax, but, there were many of us, me included, that thought this was a bad idea. Because of this reduction in SS taxes, the opposition can now argue that SS doesn't pay for itself. We do need to raise the cap on SS, but, restoring the previous rate is a good thing. In addition, the minimum wage needs to be raised immediately. This would help offset some of the pain from the ss increase. See, it should never have been lowered. We should also guarandamntee that the retirement age stays at 65. People over 45 are having a hard time finding employment, let alone someone over age 65. Our wonderful SS should be enhanced, not destroyed bit by bit.

The low minimum wage in this country is responsible for a lot of heartache. Neither it nor SS has kept up with inflation. As the unfairness continues, more and more of our young people are demoralized and, out of necessity, move back in with their parents and put off marriage, etc. We also need to ensure that paid vacation time is increased for all workers. We have a serious case of burnout in this country, because there appears to be no down time from jobs, increasing the inevitable conclusion that slavery is alive and well in this country.

lpbk2713

(42,755 posts)
8. Say, Boner ... How did that great plan your party had work out?
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:28 AM
Nov 2012


You remember the plan ... "we intend to keep Obama a one term President"







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