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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(9,752 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:53 AM Jan 2023

mother called to school, vice principal wanted to write up 11 year old daughter for this drawing

after discussion with mom, VP will keep picture on file in case 11 year old draws something similar.



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Mom Gets Called Down To Daughter's School About The 'Bowtie' The 11-Year-Old Drew On Her Art Project

Carter’s daughter is in 5th grade, 11 years old, and “her teacher told me that my daughter had drawn something inappropriate in the art class.”

“A little boy had come up to her and made her aware that he thought my daughter drew ‘boy parts’ on her pig project,” Carter explained.

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She truly believes that it just looks like a bowtie — her daughter is 11, and she explains that she has never been inappropriate at home, drawn anything inappropriate, and has never even talked about “boy parts,” “girl parts,” or anything of that sort.

In order to figure out what should be done, they asked the Principal what they thought.

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The principal relented, explaining that this time he wouldn’t write her up, but would keep her drawing for safekeeping in case something in a similar capacity were to arise in the future.

https://www.yourtango.com/news/principal-wants-write-little-girl-up-drawing-bowtie-her-art-project

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mother called to school, vice principal wanted to write up 11 year old daughter for this drawing (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 OP
What should be done is replace the P, VP, and any other idiots running the school. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #1
And we wonder why we're so far down the list of nations, regarding education...... DFW Jan 2023 #4
That Is The Ultimate In Projection GGoss Jan 2023 #2
The one who reported her was a little boy. True Blue American Jan 2023 #3
Gotta train those bundist narcs right at an early age. TheBlackAdder Jan 2023 #9
When the teacher and VP showed the art to the Principal, he told them to write her up. GGoss Jan 2023 #11
That's a bowtie? edbermac Jan 2023 #5
It could be two collar wings and a 'regular' tie EYESORE 9001 Jan 2023 #8
I think I've seen that pig too LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #28
Oh shit. LMAO! joshdawg Jan 2023 #36
Haha! And eww... AllyCat Jan 2023 #46
yes, drawn at the neck, not down in the crotch vlyons Jan 2023 #22
Right?!? AllyCat Jan 2023 #47
Search bow tie with long tails. Hope22 Jan 2023 #24
Closer to a Bolo. True Blue American Jan 2023 #30
it is a rather curious rendition stopdiggin Jan 2023 #42
The child is eleven. Also, did she say it was a bow tie? yardwork Jan 2023 #62
here... bow on woman's blouse BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #65
Maybe it's not meant to be a bow tie at all. wnylib Jan 2023 #78
I'm pretty sure... SergeStorms Jan 2023 #6
No shit. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #20
no new changes... markie Jan 2023 #52
Lol Cha Jan 2023 #73
And people wonder why schools suck? It's the administration. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2023 #7
I'm not a farmer, so I have little expertise on ... Whiskeytide Jan 2023 #10
Ok...you owe me a new key board! Evergreen Emerald Jan 2023 #16
LOL True Blue American Jan 2023 #17
The Assault on Reason malaise Jan 2023 #12
Thank you for posting a picture of the drawing. MissMillie Jan 2023 #13
All true, or he could just be a boy who 'found' his genitals and has it on his mind (just saying) Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #23
Well, typically kids find their "stuff" well before the age of 11 MissMillie Jan 2023 #26
I hear you and very true, but thought it was likely still that. It's so 11 year old boyish. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #32
lol... you think? I mean, the teacher could have just said MissMillie Jan 2023 #38
Same here. I didn't notice it until I read the story Ray Bruns Jan 2023 #25
Wait till the VP and Principal sees Peppa Pig, the very popular children's cartoon show! 70sEraVet Jan 2023 #14
I love Peppa! obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #34
The Piggie the student drew is from a children's books series. intheflow Jan 2023 #67
I saw the title of this thread, first sentence and then the photo. iscooterliberally Jan 2023 #15
I don't think anything is wrong with the little boy. I remember being an immature prepubescent Ray Bruns Jan 2023 #29
I didn't blame the little boy in my post. iscooterliberally Jan 2023 #57
WTF? No words. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #18
Their minds have been bent... Trueblue Texan Jan 2023 #19
+1 LuckyCharms Jan 2023 #21
YourTango? A description of a tiktok video? Lol OK. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #27
The principal flunked his Rorschach test and should be fired and imprisoned for 90 days bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #31
JFC even people in this thread think it's a dick and balls obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #33
The only reason anyone here sees... SergeStorms Jan 2023 #56
The VP and Principal are totally stupid. The bowtie end is pointed. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #35
That was my thought too. Perhaps the VP's laptop should have a deep dive. bluesbassman Jan 2023 #77
Saw a pig with a tie. Granted it's a shocking pink pig, which is a little strange, but still GoneOffShore Jan 2023 #37
If you look at that drawing and immediately think dick and balls, it's YOU who has the Vinca Jan 2023 #39
oh...even if she implied it in her design purr-rat beauty Jan 2023 #40
Meanwhile, in another elementary school administrators ignored a student with a gun. yardwork Jan 2023 #41
This!!! Ilsa Jan 2023 #44
+1000. (nt) Paladin Jan 2023 #48
They cannot fix the real problems of our world AllyCat Jan 2023 #51
I think you're absolutely right, except perhaps they're "unwilling" to address real problems. yardwork Jan 2023 #60
I'm dubious of this whole story. Ther's no location and it sinkingfeeling Jan 2023 #43
that's often the case with articles these days... drawn from Tik Tok, or in the case with Newsweek, BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #63
Ha! What is art? Isn't this the philosophical question of the centuries? BigmanPigman Jan 2023 #45
I didn't even SEE the bowtie as a 'boy part' until the article mentioned it. CousinIT Jan 2023 #49
I think it is a girl pig with a woman's blouse tie. boston bean Jan 2023 #50
I agree, and it's very telling to me that a number of people assume it's a male. yardwork Jan 2023 #61
The P must have recognized the pix because 3825-87867 Jan 2023 #53
Ummmm. As a matter of curiosity, exactly WHY would it be "inappropriate" niyad Jan 2023 #54
I would not let that school keep the drawing. The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #55
The yellow tail is poop, and the right nostril is a vagina. LuckyCharms Jan 2023 #58
Um... I have questions a lot their principal now Iris Jan 2023 #59
Overreaction on the part of the teacher and Principal peggysue2 Jan 2023 #64
Wanna see a real pig tie-dick? Kid Berwyn Jan 2023 #66
ugh. smirking ahole BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #72
He looks far too thin and tall there and yet again, he has the hands Maru Kitteh Jan 2023 #75
The proper response maxrandb Jan 2023 #68
This is why teachers are retiring and no one wants to replace them. lindysalsagal Jan 2023 #69
Maybe a Kentucky Colonel Bowtie SYFROYH Jan 2023 #70
What a fucking dickhead dalton99a Jan 2023 #71
Is this a put-on or real? Where did it happen? is the story someplace other than TikTok? Stinky The Clown Jan 2023 #74
She's 11 years old! Way to snuff out the innocence of a child. Deuxcents Jan 2023 #76

DFW

(56,038 posts)
4. And we wonder why we're so far down the list of nations, regarding education......
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:24 AM
Jan 2023

Who cares if she can solve the Pythagorean Theorem? She drew something that looked like boy parts!

 

GGoss

(1,273 posts)
2. That Is The Ultimate In Projection
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:17 AM
Jan 2023

The 11 year old didn't draw 'boy parts' on her pig project.

But some creepy-assed adults sure saw them there.

EYESORE 9001

(27,360 posts)
8. It could be two collar wings and a 'regular' tie
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:40 AM
Jan 2023

I’ve seen a pig wear a red tie that was long enough to reach past his belt, and that was totally obscene. The tie was to restrain 10 pounds of foreskin from covering his face.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
22. yes, drawn at the neck, not down in the crotch
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:41 AM
Jan 2023

They also could have asked the little girl, "What's this that you have drawn?"

stopdiggin

(12,494 posts)
42. it is a rather curious rendition
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:28 AM
Jan 2023

on the other hand - you also have a brilliant yellow tail, and (one?) ear - so there's a certain level of creativity and imagination going on here.

yardwork

(63,489 posts)
62. The child is eleven. Also, did she say it was a bow tie?
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 12:54 PM
Jan 2023

Looks like a bow on a girl's blouse to me.

wnylib

(23,775 posts)
78. Maybe it's not meant to be a bow tie at all.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 12:55 AM
Jan 2023

Maybe the pig is female and the bow is meant to signify the kind of bow that is sometimes on women's blouses. I don't have any at present, but in the past, I have had blouses that tie at the neck in a big bow.

Surely if an 11 year old wanted to draw "boy parts" on a pig, she would be old enough to know that they belong lower and not at the neck.

Tempest in a teapot.

SergeStorms

(19,265 posts)
6. I'm pretty sure...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:29 AM
Jan 2023

a pig's "boy parts" arent located on it's neck.

I could be wrong. I haven't really scoped out any pig's anatomical parts recently, I'm only relying on memory.

If I'm mistaken, please PM me and let me know, just to save me the embarrassment of not being aware of pig's new anatomical changes. 😔

markie

(22,823 posts)
52. no new changes...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:51 AM
Jan 2023

my memory is excellent and as years ago, I taught homesteading, I know a pig's anatomy... we taught how to breed, grow up, butcher and process... I have castrated many young boars in my life (not proud of it- vegetarian for years now- but fact)

this young girl was not drawing boy pig parts... not even close

AZLD4Candidate

(6,142 posts)
7. And people wonder why schools suck? It's the administration.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:31 AM
Jan 2023

Principals, VPs, superintendents, Assistant Superintendents, and ignorant school boards.

these four things, along with parents with an agenda and politicians with a cause, have destroyed education.

BTW, studies have shown that admin comes down harder on girls and minorities than white boys.

Whiskeytide

(4,491 posts)
10. I'm not a farmer, so I have little expertise on ...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:43 AM
Jan 2023

… pig dick location. But I think some administrators might need anatomy lessons.

malaise

(276,021 posts)
12. The Assault on Reason
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:46 AM
Jan 2023

continues - the lunatics are now teaching our children.
Where I am there was a huge public debate over school devotion. No debate about math, sience or English language results. The sooner we run these religious grifters out of our schools the better.

MissMillie

(38,873 posts)
13. Thank you for posting a picture of the drawing.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:48 AM
Jan 2023

It was helpful that I didn't have to click on multiple links to see what the nuttiness is about.

Seeing the picture before reading the story put everything in perspective. I looked at the drawing and was trying to figure out what ridiculousness was going to be in the story. Didn't see a problem AT ALL. Of course, like most people, I don't imagine pigs with genitals up around their necks.

Maybe someone ought to be worried about the little boy. There's not necessarily anything wrong with him, but if THAT's what he sees looking at that drawing, he may be an abuse victim.

I can't help but wonder how this young lady will second-guess herself every time she pulls out the markers to create something.



Joinfortmill

(15,918 posts)
23. All true, or he could just be a boy who 'found' his genitals and has it on his mind (just saying)
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:42 AM
Jan 2023

It's been a long time since an eleven year old boy was my peer, I do remember some very unseemly stuff that never got to the principlal's office because, well, it was just 11 year old boy stuff.










MissMillie

(38,873 posts)
26. Well, typically kids find their "stuff" well before the age of 11
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:49 AM
Jan 2023

I admit that I immediately thought that it's somewhat typical for boys to be fixated on their "stuff," but I was nervous about saying it out loud--for a number of reasons.

Joinfortmill

(15,918 posts)
32. I hear you and very true, but thought it was likely still that. It's so 11 year old boyish.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:59 AM
Jan 2023

It could have been handled so much better.

MissMillie

(38,873 posts)
38. lol... you think? I mean, the teacher could have just said
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:16 AM
Jan 2023

"that's a bow around the pig's neck."


That would have likely been the end of it.

70sEraVet

(4,003 posts)
14. Wait till the VP and Principal sees Peppa Pig, the very popular children's cartoon show!
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:59 AM
Jan 2023

Go ahead. Google it.

intheflow

(28,808 posts)
67. The Piggie the student drew is from a children's books series.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:21 PM
Jan 2023

Elephant and Piggie by Mo Willems. It's a very well-done drawing.



iscooterliberally

(2,976 posts)
15. I saw the title of this thread, first sentence and then the photo.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:02 AM
Jan 2023

I didn't notice anything wrong until I scrolled further down the article. There's nothing wrong with the little girl's picture. There is something wrong with the VP, the teacher and most likely the little boy's family. I wonder what his parents are teaching him? The little girl's mom should transfer her picture to a t-shirt and sell them online. The little girl has great potential as an artist and should be encouraged.

Ray Bruns

(4,434 posts)
29. I don't think anything is wrong with the little boy. I remember being an immature prepubescent
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:52 AM
Jan 2023

Little shit at that age too

iscooterliberally

(2,976 posts)
57. I didn't blame the little boy in my post.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:50 AM
Jan 2023

I merely stated that if the school really has to do something about this they should be looking at his family situation instead.

Trueblue Texan

(2,779 posts)
19. Their minds have been bent...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:36 AM
Jan 2023

...to find lewdness where it doesn't exist. Not the kind of folks we want running the schools. God help the kid if she ever draws a cypress tree.

bucolic_frolic

(46,097 posts)
31. The principal flunked his Rorschach test and should be fired and imprisoned for 90 days
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 08:57 AM
Jan 2023

He saw something the artist never intended and was likely too young to intend. THAT is where he took this drawing.

obamanut2012

(27,511 posts)
33. JFC even people in this thread think it's a dick and balls
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:00 AM
Jan 2023

It is a bowtie, or does it make you feel better if we call it a BOW or a CRAVAT?

Good God. This place sometimes.

SergeStorms

(19,265 posts)
56. The only reason anyone here sees...
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 10:02 AM
Jan 2023

a dick and balls is because they read the article.

I would never had imagined it was male genitalia unless the seed was planted in my mind from the article. I saw a representation of a happy, pink pig. Then a pig with its genitalia located on its neck appeared after reading the ridiculous interpretation by the school's administration.

LiberalFighter

(53,231 posts)
35. The VP and Principal are totally stupid. The bowtie end is pointed.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:02 AM
Jan 2023

Not round.

Also, why the hell should the principal keep property of the girl?

bluesbassman

(19,706 posts)
77. That was my thought too. Perhaps the VP's laptop should have a deep dive.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 12:29 AM
Jan 2023

Who knows what might be found there.

GoneOffShore

(17,545 posts)
37. Saw a pig with a tie. Granted it's a shocking pink pig, which is a little strange, but still
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:07 AM
Jan 2023

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a pig in a tie is just a pig wearing a tie.

Vinca

(50,793 posts)
39. If you look at that drawing and immediately think dick and balls, it's YOU who has the
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:16 AM
Jan 2023

problem, not the little kid. It's a pink pig. It's kind of cute. WTF?

purr-rat beauty

(569 posts)
40. oh...even if she implied it in her design
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:23 AM
Jan 2023

the image doesn't make the point explicitly and it's developmentally normal for this, she's pre-pubescent...she's gonna draw and think and say stupid stuff born out of curiosity. Punishing her for this is puritanical bullshit...rather either act like it's a nothing burger or have a respectful discussion with her if she does admit to it.

yardwork

(63,489 posts)
60. I think you're absolutely right, except perhaps they're "unwilling" to address real problems.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 12:50 PM
Jan 2023

Doing so would interrupt the shift of wealth and power to the tiny few.

sinkingfeeling

(52,731 posts)
43. I'm dubious of this whole story. Ther's no location and it
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:38 AM
Jan 2023

came from Tiktok . How do I know it's not a woman seeking her 15 minutes of fame?

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(9,752 posts)
63. that's often the case with articles these days... drawn from Tik Tok, or in the case with Newsweek,
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 01:13 PM
Jan 2023

Reddit! I have to take their word for it.

I will keep an eye to see if NYTimes picks up the article.

BigmanPigman

(52,129 posts)
45. Ha! What is art? Isn't this the philosophical question of the centuries?
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:41 AM
Jan 2023

As an artist and as a 1st grade teacher I would have laughed at this silly nonsense.

CousinIT

(9,775 posts)
49. I didn't even SEE the bowtie as a 'boy part' until the article mentioned it.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:44 AM
Jan 2023

MAYBE - just MAYBE the problem is that some adults who run schools are PROJECTING their own inability NOT to see sexual innuendo (especially when it involves little girls) in damn near everything.

yardwork

(63,489 posts)
61. I agree, and it's very telling to me that a number of people assume it's a male.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 12:52 PM
Jan 2023

Talk about sexualizing children! If this story is true, the principal needs to be investigated. Many red flags.

3825-87867

(991 posts)
53. The P must have recognized the pix because
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 09:55 AM
Jan 2023

it reminded him of his flat penis with two widely separated testicles!
(and was much larger!)

niyad

(118,362 posts)
54. Ummmm. As a matter of curiosity, exactly WHY would it be "inappropriate"
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 10:00 AM
Jan 2023

for the girl to draw basic anatomical parts??

The prurient projecting orincipal is going to keep the drawing, "in case"?????? Way beyond creepy. Sounds a bit like blackmail or extortion to me. I think that If I were that parent, I would be looking for a new school.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
55. I would not let that school keep the drawing.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 10:00 AM
Jan 2023

She can keep a copy of it but that drawing belongs to the artist.
It will also be a great keepsake.
That little boy should be punished for talking about boy parts. Snark He needs to go see the shrink for about 20 secession.
Clearly the school teacher is grooming the little girl to be afraid of sex.

LuckyCharms

(18,509 posts)
58. The yellow tail is poop, and the right nostril is a vagina.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 11:55 AM
Jan 2023

Jesus Fucking Christ, what the hell is the matter with these people?

Iris

(15,948 posts)
59. Um... I have questions a lot their principal now
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 12:29 PM
Jan 2023

I would not have allowed him to keep the original drawing

peggysue2

(11,334 posts)
64. Overreaction on the part of the teacher and Principal
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 01:14 PM
Jan 2023

If you're hellbent on seeing something inappropriate or if you're terrified of being accused of not seeing something inappropriate, you tend to be hyper-vigilant to an absurd level. Thus, a child accuses another child of portraying 'boy parts' on a pig project and the teacher stupidly agrees.

I was called into school after my oldest son, then 10-years old, drew a picture of war planes rat-a-tat-tatting across a sunny blue sky. The teacher and school guidance counselor were concerned the drawing showed latent hostility, possibly a penchant for violence against others.

This from a gifted student who had never been a disciplinary problem.

I recall they were somewhat astounded that I did not agree with their analyses. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a note somewhere in the school files indicating that I'd blown off the meeting.

Just in case, a CYA moment at its finest.

Maru Kitteh

(28,773 posts)
75. He looks far too thin and tall there and yet again, he has the hands
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 07:44 PM
Jan 2023

photoshopped as well..


Man - that reporter just slayed his brain when he labeled him a "short-fingered vulgarian."


maxrandb

(15,776 posts)
68. The proper response
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:36 PM
Jan 2023

Would/should have been to tell the young gentleman to "get his mind out of the sewer".

I am pretty sure that a quick check would find penis jokes were routine in his family. If anyone has a problem here, it's an 11 year old boy who sees a penis in that picture.

Young boys can be pretty dipshitty...I know, because I was a young boy once.

Dollars to donuts, the people who see a penis in this picture and want to punish a young girl for "exposing" little Johnny to such "obscenity", are the same people that have "Fuck Joe Biden" signs prominently displayed in their yards.

lindysalsagal

(22,046 posts)
69. This is why teachers are retiring and no one wants to replace them.
Thu Jan 26, 2023, 05:40 PM
Jan 2023

Teachers are screwed, no matter what happens. Kids are kids. There's nothing a teacher did to create this problem, but it is still not known whether or not other parents would use it as a political cudgle.

Forget about it, and you're screwed. Say something, and you're screwed. It's becoming a no-win profession.

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