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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo is Donelly an improvement over Lugar or status quo?
Based on what little I know, It's a wash. He's about the same as Lugar, but he slightly strengthens the Democratic caucus and we averted a disaster with Mourdoch.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)But he's much younger that Lugar and not everything is tied to social issues...he's an improvement I think...time will tell.
RandySF
(58,768 posts)I did hear him mention the auto rescue, so it sounds like he's with us on essential economic issues.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)still_one
(92,136 posts)BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)Either it's a human life or it isn't.
i'm definitely pro-choice (i chose to have a vasectomy)
but i can respect the opinion of those who see it as a human life- WITHOUT exceptions.
still_one
(92,136 posts)Garbage. First of all it is a women's choice, that is the key' but to tell her, just to be consistent that because you were raped you have to carry to term, bullshit.
No woman asked to be raped period
And I have no respect for a third party telling someone else to be consistent about their concept of what life is, especially under those circumstances
I can name a lot of issues where people are inconsistent on issues of life and death
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)at least the no exception people aren't hypocrites about theirs, and i can respect that.
still_one
(92,136 posts)BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)you don't have a uterus
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)it's in a jar in the back of my fridge.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)No Democrat is so bat shit crazy to think otherwise. Thanks for clarifying that, however. I should have said it myself.
still_one
(92,136 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)is choice, but let's not make the same mistakes the republicans made by insisting on party purity. A pro-life Dem is not going to attempt to over turn Roe v Wade. Given the choice between Murdoch and Donnelly, and face it, that's the only choice available in Indiana in this day and age, I'll take Donnelly.
still_one
(92,136 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I think it says a lot about where the majority of the country really is...
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)I'm not too worried about a pro-life candidate if they help pass laws to help working class people including healthcare, education and other quality of life laws.
Carnage251
(562 posts)RandySF
(58,768 posts)I was going through the new senators to see if the senate overall shifted left or right.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Lugar was good, compared to other repuglicans. Donnelly (sp) is not liberal but will caucus with the dems and probably mostly vote with them. He probably could not have gotten in if he were too left. It is Indiana.
It's a win but not as great as say Warren or Grayson's win.
FSogol
(45,476 posts)Lugar was a good vote on common sense military/foreign affairs issues, but rubber stamped a lot of Bush crap. Good riddance.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I am in Indiana. I have not followed him so I don't know much about him, but believe me, any dem is a step up.
JI7
(89,247 posts)he was one of the decent republicans. and i kind of prefer someone like him over conservative Dems who may regularly go on fox and be trotted out as "even dems oppose............".
but we haven't seen how he actually will be. i hope he is more like Ben Nelson was than lieberman or Bayh. Ben Nelson voted with republcans in many cases but mostly stayed quiet while Lieberman and bayh would go on Fox and other tv shows and bash democrats.
still_one
(92,136 posts)Likes of McConnell
MADem
(135,425 posts)And the Dem leadership in the Senate will give him the wiggle room he needs to stay "correct" with his constituents (i.e., he'll only have to vote in a distasteful way if they can't get enough crossovers from the other team).
One hand washes the other; both wash the face.
I expect he'll be way easier to wrangle than, say, a Joe Lieberman.
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)he received major support from that caucus financially and otherwise.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)He won't be with the progressives, but he won't be an asshole like Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman either. So yes, it is very different than Lugar. In the House, he understood and supported labor and fair trade issues if not perfectly, at least regularly.
MADem
(135,425 posts)some of the silverback senators have accumulated. Reid only asks for 'discipline' when it's imperative, too--not like the GOP, who demand it on a vote for something stupid, like renaming Freedom Fries in the cafeteria! (That's hyperbole, but you take my sense...)
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He'll vote for Reid not McConnell.
He'll vote to break filibusters.
He'll vote against the crazy shit the House votes for.
longship
(40,416 posts)The arithmetic is trivial.
spanone
(135,823 posts)gravity
(4,157 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)Birch Bayh
Vance Hartke
Joe Hogsett
Joe Donnelly
Evan Bayh
Richard Lugar
Dan Quayle
Dan Coats
Richard Murdoch
cali
(114,904 posts)onenote
(42,694 posts)He also voted against Lily Ledbetter, against the Recovery act, for the House repubs budget bill (the Ryan plan) and against the Senate Democrats budget plan, and against the repeal of DADT.
Donnelly won't be good on right to choose issues, but overall he'll be a significant improvement over Lugar.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)And quite anti gay rights. He is, however, a helluva a lot better than Charles Allen... and even Jim Webb on some issues.