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Sun Dec 11, 2022, 08:25 AM

Please stop saying that the CCP is loosening their Zero Covid policy. They aren't.

They are doubling down more.

They require testing now every two days and charge you for it. I had to pay 32RMB for my wife and me because tomorrow we're moving into a new city 30KM from my in-laws house. Masks are required, even in your own car and you can be pulled over.

They still have the 5/3 quarantine requirement and still shut down entire cities and neighborhoods if ONE person pops hot with COVID, even if they are asymptomatic.

There is no relaxing of anything. To relax things means that the CCP and Winnie the Flu made mistakes and are admitting they are wrong. With the concept of saving and maintaining face, that cannot happen. Here, it is better to continue to go over a cliff than to stop and reconsider.

This is what happens when you back yourself into a corner with the rhetoric. They are now stuck and there is nothing they can do to "roll back" this moronic policy while maintaining face because they swore for two years that they would defeat the virus.

The people here have been told that foreigners brought it here, that foreigners caused it to be worse, and that the protests are now being caused by foreign influences, namely the USA. So, they have ramped up the jingoism and xenophobia to a fevered pitch.

To keep up the illusion that the rest of the world his dying more than China, they have censored the non-mask wearing crowds at the world cup. They have restricted the internet more than ever before and have a pervasive cult of personality around the creator of zero covid, Winnie the Flu.

However, will all the problems I mentioned in myfirst post about the protests, even if they slow down which they haven't seemed to, there aren't enough jails and the people of China are beginning to awaken from the brutality of the CCP and the psychopathy of Winnie the Flu. The cat is out of the back now and as I say in class "you can't put the fart back in the elephant."

It also doesn't help when doctors interview say that China will face five million deaths if they remove the Zero Covid Policy. That emboldens the CCP to double down even more. I find it hypocritical that people scream out of one side of their mouths how terrible Zero Covid is, then out of the other side say that giving it up will kill millions.

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Reply Please stop saying that the CCP is loosening their Zero Covid policy. They aren't. (Original post)
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 OP
David__77 Dec 2022 #1
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #5
Tickle Dec 2022 #21
Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #20
Blues Heron Dec 2022 #2
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #8
Blues Heron Dec 2022 #12
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #13
Blues Heron Dec 2022 #14
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #15
Crazyleftie Dec 2022 #3
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #6
Crazyleftie Dec 2022 #18
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #19
XanaDUer2 Dec 2022 #4
AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #9
Hortensis Dec 2022 #7
moonscape Dec 2022 #10
XanaDUer2 Dec 2022 #11
XanaDUer2 Dec 2022 #16
Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #17

Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:41 AM

1. Millions are alive because of that policy.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:09 PM

5. Come on here to China and live under it for a while.

Can't travel, can't go anywhere, still forced quarantine you need to pay for, government control because that QR code is always with you and can be changed at whim even if you aren't positive.

Until you live it, you have no idea.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 13, 2022, 09:16 AM

21. I feel for you

and I have no desire to live under that kind of rule

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Response to David__77 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 13, 2022, 07:23 AM

20. And many will die

bc they didn't use the time bought with that policy to get their elderly population vaccinated.

What good is the policy if they frittered it away?

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:50 AM

2. Do we have any intelligence on how many people have actually died from COVID-19

Do we have any intelligence on how many people have actually died from COVID-19 in China? Coffin orders, sat photos of mass graves etc.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:11 PM

8. nope. the ccp has classified those state secrets like those executed are.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:22 PM

12. what is your estimate of the number of deaths they are covering up?

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:27 PM

13. 10-15 times what they report.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:33 PM

14. do you have any evidence you can share? What is that based on?

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:39 PM

15. how people live here being in apartments and their habits like spitting everywhere

Just what I know about my neighbors and how they live packed together and things like that.

I have nothing other than that.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:31 AM

3. Does China not require vaccines?

do they even have a vaccine policy?

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Response to Crazyleftie (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:10 PM

6. no. voluntary

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 12, 2022, 03:41 PM

18. how extensive is their vaccine program

how many people are vaccinated?

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Response to Crazyleftie (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 13, 2022, 07:18 AM

19. no way of knowing. State secret. CCP won't say because if they do and it's alot,

the reason for the draconian actions will be over and the CCP will lose complete grip on everyone's life.

It's just better to treat your people like mushrooms. . .namely fill them with bullcrap and keep them in the dark. Just keep saying the crisis is getting worse because people keep testing positive and you hold people in paranoid fear.

To make you understand, Chinese people, for the most part, will run to a hospital if they have a sneeze.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:44 AM

4. Did you get the new job?

Is this policy hindering that? Can you get in trouble posting here? Seems scary

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:13 PM

9. yes i have it. i needed to test and test again when i get there

I can get in trouble doing anything online in china. but i've been here 35% of my life.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:11 PM

7. Thanks. Also hypocritical is to pretend the only choices are the extremes,

but a proven way to fool the easily fooled that they shouldn't try to protect themselves and their communities.

Take care.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:18 PM

10. Thanks for your on-the-ground report. n/t

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:18 PM

11. Shocking it's not forced vaccines

But I know little about China. Seems vaccines are superior way to stop COVID.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:26 PM

16. Kick nt

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:33 PM

17. Given the efficacy (or rather lack thereof) of domestic vaccines along with inadequate vaccination

 

rates among the most vulnerable (due to the government's choice to prioritize young workers over the elderly) and--most importantly--the refusal to use safe and effective MRNA from the outside, a "let 'er rip" policy would almost certainly kill millions of people.

There does not have to be a choice between repressive measure and having an "opening" assuming safe and effective vaccines are employed--but the CCP has made other decisions.

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