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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFlorida man shoots and kills couple over laundry room door left open.
https://www.rawstory.com/florida-man-laundry-dispute/Well I guess he showed them.
Henry Wallace was shot and killed over the weekend after an elderly neighbor was enraged over Wallace leaving the door open to the shared laundry room. While standing at his mailbox, Hugh Hootman demanded Wallace apologize, said WPBF News.
According to what Hootman told the police, it was only when Wallace tried to push past Hootman that he said, "I lost my temper," pulled out a gun, and shot him several times.
Hootman's wife, Susan, was recorded in her 911 call, saying, "My husband just shot our neighbors and I think he killed them."
"The neighbor downstairs just the other day shouted at me and swore at me regarding the washer and dryer," Hootman explained.
When Wallace's wife, Ginger, ran outside she began yelling. Hootman responded by shooting her twice, killing her as well. Mrs. Wallace was the HOA president of the condo building and had just decorated for Christmas, excited over spending time with her family.

Bayard
(24,189 posts)Makes this convenient.
Aviation Pro
(13,828 posts)Concealed carry, yes.
Itchinjim
(3,128 posts)LymphocyteLover
(7,220 posts)Aristus
(68,986 posts)
Baitball Blogger
(49,043 posts)He's going to die in prison.
Bettie
(17,653 posts)he'll probably get away with 'stand your ground'.
Ray Bruns
(4,921 posts)I also think that applying for a concealed carry permit should disqualify you from getting a concealed carry permit.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)GenXer47
(1,204 posts)in almost exactly the same situation. My wife forgot some wet clothes in the washer.
No gun in my story, and my wife's scratches and bruises have healed.
THE END.
XanaDUer2
(15,066 posts)That's horrible. What is happening to society?
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)instead of handling it myself.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)GenXer47
(1,204 posts)but the neighbor is a woman in her 60's. She was issued a civil citation and paid a $150 fine, which is ridiculous, I've paid $75 for parking during street cleaning.
So yeah, I'd be the one in jail. My wife could have easily kicked her ass, but she was wise and didn't retaliate.
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)Justice matters.
(7,804 posts)I used to be against it but now, it's to the point an exception should be made to these gun nuts killers!
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Sneederbunk
(15,604 posts)raccoon
(31,585 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)louis-t
(23,947 posts)But see, he's going to jail for the rest of his life so it all worked out. Right?
Jim__
(14,577 posts)From wpbf:


"He's in shock, too," she said.
The SWAT team arrived and took Hootman into custody.
Detectives say he said, So sorry. I wish I could take it back.
According to deputies, Hootman has a concealed carry permit and kept his gun in his pocket for protection.
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XanaDUer2
(15,066 posts)Going to get the mail in your condo community?
Wha?
Bernardo de La Paz
(52,323 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)After 10 minutes of it being on in the background, I could feel the effects. It's that manipulative of emotions & disabling of critical thought. It's not just the lies they tell but also the tone, the word choices, the boosted volume, the graphics...it's as engineered as the environment in a casino.
calimary
(85,101 posts)raccoon
(31,585 posts)Initech
(103,361 posts)The propaganda is the problem. Here's another guy who was probably fed a steady diet of hate, lies and bullshit for a very long time and bought a gun because the guy on AM radio / TV / internet told him to.
Kaleva
(38,875 posts)He liked what they were saying so he stuck with it . People are going to gravitate to what reinforces their already formed worldview.
Bernardo de La Paz
(52,323 posts)ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)sanatanadharma
(4,074 posts)As the military mind well knows, for most folk, overcoming the moral imperative against killing is difficult.
Basically, it requires training (propaganda, desire, practice, war ...).
After first blood it is easy, even addictive, to continue pulling the trigger.
Vinca
(51,521 posts)WTF is wrong with these people?
Bernardo de La Paz
(52,323 posts)KS Toronado
(20,451 posts)
republianmushroom
(18,654 posts)IronLionZion
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bucolic_frolic
(48,412 posts)Guns and dementia won't be a good mix either. You have to give up your license, but not your guns.
twodogsbarking
(12,544 posts)America. I am waving my flag. The white one.
hadEnuf
(2,940 posts)Thanks NRA and GOP, you murderous bastards.
beaglelover
(4,177 posts)Asshole.
question everything
(49,493 posts)According to The Gun Violence Archive, a database that collects information about shootings from across the U.S., 104 people in Florida have been shot dead since November 1 this year.
SergeStorms
(19,381 posts)a "bang-up" job of keeping Florida safe for everyone, haven't they? 🙄
I used to love visiting Florida several times a year when my parents retired there in the 80s. Then I moved there when I retired. I couldn't stand it. After 4 years I moved back to New York as fast as I could. I don't think I'll ever set foot in that state again.
pazzyanne
(6,644 posts)What a horrible thing to do.
for rememberance for Mr. and Mrs. Wallace and their family and friends.
Sky Jewels
(8,856 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(19,023 posts)So many stories begin with those two words.
Kaleva
(38,875 posts)Martin Eden
(13,751 posts)This combination would not be nearly so lethal without the firearm.
calimary
(85,101 posts)THAT is the mentality of too many jerks like him. Somehow, its portrayed as heroic and macho.
Nope. Murderer is a more accurate label.
Sancho
(9,111 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
Richard D
(9,537 posts). . . tfg doesn't do his own laundry.
dai13sy
(516 posts)And too many people willing to use them to settle piddly ass disputes like this. I'm screaming and crying. I hope Hootman spends the rest of his life in prison.
padah513
(2,676 posts)It's the Zimmerman effect. If he didn't have a gun on him, he probably would have never even confronted the guy, but he has something else to worry about. He better hope he never confronted the guy he killed about that door before because then what he did looks premeditated.
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)ok_cpu
(2,170 posts)where he discusses Sylvia Plath's suicide, the subsequent conversion to non-lethal means for gas heating in the UK, and its impact on suicide rates.
In the context of suicide, there appears to be a huge impact if the means is not available at the moment of ideation. I think we're seeing the opposite with our country's firearm obsession.
The tool is readily available in the heat of the moment.
sinkingfeeling
(53,871 posts)