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yellowcanine

(36,358 posts)
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:13 AM Dec 2022

Florida man shoots and kills couple over laundry room door left open.

https://www.rawstory.com/florida-man-laundry-dispute/

Well I guess he showed them.

Henry Wallace was shot and killed over the weekend after an elderly neighbor was enraged over Wallace leaving the door open to the shared laundry room. While standing at his mailbox, Hugh Hootman demanded Wallace apologize, said WPBF News.

According to what Hootman told the police, it was only when Wallace tried to push past Hootman that he said, "I lost my temper," pulled out a gun, and shot him several times.

Hootman's wife, Susan, was recorded in her 911 call, saying, "My husband just shot our neighbors and I think he killed them."

"The neighbor downstairs just the other day shouted at me and swore at me regarding the washer and dryer," Hootman explained.

When Wallace's wife, Ginger, ran outside she began yelling. Hootman responded by shooting her twice, killing her as well. Mrs. Wallace was the HOA president of the condo building and had just decorated for Christmas, excited over spending time with her family.
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Florida man shoots and kills couple over laundry room door left open. (Original Post) yellowcanine Dec 2022 OP
Open carry Bayard Dec 2022 #1
No open carry in Florida Aviation Pro Dec 2022 #7
Gunz. The answer to all life's problems. Itchinjim Dec 2022 #2
like alcohol-- the cause and solution to all life's problems... LymphocyteLover Dec 2022 #38
Yep, we're all a lot more polite to one another, aren't we, NRA? Aristus Dec 2022 #3
He was carrying a gun at the time? Baitball Blogger Dec 2022 #4
It's Florida Bettie Dec 2022 #21
I believe the story on another site said he had a concealed carry permit. Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #30
Both victims were over 80? WTF? Samrob Dec 2022 #56
our downstairs neighbor hit and scratched my wife GenXer47 Dec 2022 #5
I hope you called police XanaDUer2 Dec 2022 #12
Attack my wife and their is no happy ending for that man. He can pray I call the police ZonkerHarris Dec 2022 #43
Except in this story, he shot you first. NullTuples Dec 2022 #45
I guess it shouldn't matter GenXer47 Dec 2022 #54
That's good. Glad it wasn't some guy doing it. ZonkerHarris Dec 2022 #55
OMG IS THERE A DEATH PENALTY IN FL?? Justice matters. Dec 2022 #6
With the latest "stand your rinse cycle act" it's hard to say. jaxexpat Dec 2022 #24
This clown was licensed ccw. Sneederbunk Dec 2022 #8
Maybe the mf has dementia. raccoon Dec 2022 #11
Or maybe he doesn't & he just watches Fox News & DeSantis NullTuples Dec 2022 #46
He pertecked himself against those laundry room scofflaws. louis-t Dec 2022 #9
'Detectives say he said, "So sorry. I wish I could take it back."' Jim__ Dec 2022 #10
Protection XanaDUer2 Dec 2022 #13
He has been told a million times of invading hordes & "masks are fear, guns are protection". . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #22
That really is it. I've seen Fox News at the in-laws. NullTuples Dec 2022 #49
Yep. All very shrewd manipulation tactics. calimary Dec 2022 #52
Well, asshole, you can't take it back. Dead is forever. raccoon Dec 2022 #14
Sounds like another person whose brains were rotted by hate propaganda. Initech Dec 2022 #16
He chose to watch and listen Kaleva Dec 2022 #29
The time to think is before purchasing weapons, not after using them. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #19
Normally Im against prison rape and abuse. But this guy deserves anything that happens to him. ZonkerHarris Dec 2022 #44
After the first shot, it's easy to do it again and again and time again, until the bullets are spent sanatanadharma Dec 2022 #15
Well, I guess Hootman isn't going to have to worry about his laundry anymore. Vinca Dec 2022 #17
Would be fitting if he was assigned to work in the prison laundry room, for decades. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #20
+1 KS Toronado Dec 2022 #47
Well Lindsey here are is one of those home grown terrorist. republianmushroom Dec 2022 #18
Because gunz make us safer IronLionZion Dec 2022 #23
They don't say how elder is elder bucolic_frolic Dec 2022 #25
What is being done is not working. Continuing to do the same thing is twodogsbarking Dec 2022 #26
This is what happens when you just let any ole asshole carry a loaded gun everywhere. hadEnuf Dec 2022 #27
This guy needs the chair! beaglelover Dec 2022 #28
Make it now 110 since Nov 1st? question everything Dec 2022 #31
Republicans have done... SergeStorms Dec 2022 #50
Prayers and blessings for the family. pazzyanne Dec 2022 #32
They should make him work in the prison laundry. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #33
Proposal: new forum named "Florida Man" Fiendish Thingy Dec 2022 #34
Stories about Florida Man are found in Weird News Kaleva Dec 2022 #42
Anger, firearm, and the impulse to exert power Martin Eden Dec 2022 #35
"Shoot first. Ask questions later." calimary Dec 2022 #53
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Dec 2022 #36
My first thought . . . Richard D Dec 2022 #37
Too Many Guns dai13sy Dec 2022 #39
I know what you mean padah513 Dec 2022 #48
Just execute the man. One shot in the head. With his own gun. ZonkerHarris Dec 2022 #40
In "Talking to Strangers", Gladwell has a chapter ok_cpu Dec 2022 #41
If only everyone had a gun our lives would be so much safer. sinkingfeeling Dec 2022 #51

Ray Bruns

(4,921 posts)
30. I believe the story on another site said he had a concealed carry permit.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:14 PM
Dec 2022

I also think that applying for a concealed carry permit should disqualify you from getting a concealed carry permit.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
5. our downstairs neighbor hit and scratched my wife
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:26 AM
Dec 2022

in almost exactly the same situation. My wife forgot some wet clothes in the washer.
No gun in my story, and my wife's scratches and bruises have healed.
THE END.

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
43. Attack my wife and their is no happy ending for that man. He can pray I call the police
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:25 PM
Dec 2022

instead of handling it myself.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
54. I guess it shouldn't matter
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:49 PM
Dec 2022

but the neighbor is a woman in her 60's. She was issued a civil citation and paid a $150 fine, which is ridiculous, I've paid $75 for parking during street cleaning.
So yeah, I'd be the one in jail. My wife could have easily kicked her ass, but she was wise and didn't retaliate.

Justice matters.

(7,804 posts)
6. OMG IS THERE A DEATH PENALTY IN FL??
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:27 AM
Dec 2022

I used to be against it but now, it's to the point an exception should be made to these gun nuts killers!

louis-t

(23,947 posts)
9. He pertecked himself against those laundry room scofflaws.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:32 AM
Dec 2022

But see, he's going to jail for the rest of his life so it all worked out. Right?

Jim__

(14,577 posts)
10. 'Detectives say he said, "So sorry. I wish I could take it back."'
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:34 AM
Dec 2022

From wpbf:


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"He's in shock, too," she said.

The SWAT team arrived and took Hootman into custody.

Detectives say he said, “So sorry. I wish I could take it back.”

According to deputies, Hootman has a concealed carry permit and kept his gun in his pocket for protection.

...

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
49. That really is it. I've seen Fox News at the in-laws.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:58 PM
Dec 2022

After 10 minutes of it being on in the background, I could feel the effects. It's that manipulative of emotions & disabling of critical thought. It's not just the lies they tell but also the tone, the word choices, the boosted volume, the graphics...it's as engineered as the environment in a casino.

Initech

(103,361 posts)
16. Sounds like another person whose brains were rotted by hate propaganda.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:16 PM
Dec 2022

The propaganda is the problem. Here's another guy who was probably fed a steady diet of hate, lies and bullshit for a very long time and bought a gun because the guy on AM radio / TV / internet told him to.

Kaleva

(38,875 posts)
29. He chose to watch and listen
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:14 PM
Dec 2022

He liked what they were saying so he stuck with it . People are going to gravitate to what reinforces their already formed worldview.

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
15. After the first shot, it's easy to do it again and again and time again, until the bullets are spent
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:10 PM
Dec 2022

As the military mind well knows, for most folk, overcoming the moral imperative against killing is difficult.
Basically, it requires training (propaganda, desire, practice, war ...).
After first blood it is easy, even addictive, to continue pulling the trigger.

bucolic_frolic

(48,412 posts)
25. They don't say how elder is elder
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:02 PM
Dec 2022

Guns and dementia won't be a good mix either. You have to give up your license, but not your guns.

hadEnuf

(2,940 posts)
27. This is what happens when you just let any ole asshole carry a loaded gun everywhere.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:08 PM
Dec 2022

Thanks NRA and GOP, you murderous bastards.

question everything

(49,493 posts)
31. Make it now 110 since Nov 1st?
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:14 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217434102

According to The Gun Violence Archive, a database that collects information about shootings from across the U.S., 104 people in Florida have been shot dead since November 1 this year.

SergeStorms

(19,381 posts)
50. Republicans have done...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:06 PM
Dec 2022

a "bang-up" job of keeping Florida safe for everyone, haven't they? 🙄

I used to love visiting Florida several times a year when my parents retired there in the 80s. Then I moved there when I retired. I couldn't stand it. After 4 years I moved back to New York as fast as I could. I don't think I'll ever set foot in that state again.

pazzyanne

(6,644 posts)
32. Prayers and blessings for the family.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:15 PM
Dec 2022

What a horrible thing to do. for rememberance for Mr. and Mrs. Wallace and their family and friends.

calimary

(85,101 posts)
53. "Shoot first. Ask questions later."
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:30 PM
Dec 2022

THAT is the mentality of too many jerks like him. Somehow, it’s portrayed as heroic and macho.

Nope. Murderer is a more accurate label.

Sancho

(9,111 posts)
36. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:21 PM
Dec 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

dai13sy

(516 posts)
39. Too Many Guns
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:23 PM
Dec 2022

And too many people willing to use them to settle piddly ass disputes like this. I'm screaming and crying. I hope Hootman spends the rest of his life in prison.

padah513

(2,676 posts)
48. I know what you mean
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:57 PM
Dec 2022

It's the Zimmerman effect. If he didn't have a gun on him, he probably would have never even confronted the guy, but he has something else to worry about. He better hope he never confronted the guy he killed about that door before because then what he did looks premeditated.

ok_cpu

(2,170 posts)
41. In "Talking to Strangers", Gladwell has a chapter
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:23 PM
Dec 2022

where he discusses Sylvia Plath's suicide, the subsequent conversion to non-lethal means for gas heating in the UK, and its impact on suicide rates.

In the context of suicide, there appears to be a huge impact if the means is not available at the moment of ideation. I think we're seeing the opposite with our country's firearm obsession.

The tool is readily available in the heat of the moment.

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