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Prof Aaron Astor on the next offensive moves in Ukraine (Original Post) Tomconroy Oct 2022 OP
Things are moving so fast in the east! Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #1
Perfectly stated. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #4
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2022 #2
This war will be Disaffected Oct 2022 #3
Brutal for the orcs! President Zelensky gave them a chance to surrender, it's too bad they didn't PortTack Oct 2022 #5

Beastly Boy

(9,224 posts)
1. Things are moving so fast in the east!
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 11:04 AM
Oct 2022

It appears the Russians attempted to break out of the encirclement. A terrible mistake, I think. There is only one road leading from Lyman in the direction of Kremina, and it is completely vulnerable to the Ukrainian fire. If that was the means for the Russian withdrawal, this road is now filled with Russian dead. The carnage would have been unimaginable, and I have no confidence that much of the Russian forces from Lyman (an estimated three or four battalions worth) will emerge intact from this retreat. And the survivors have only one place to go to: Kreminna. Kreminna itself is now under Ukrainian fire.

If, on the other hand, the Russians decided to avoid the road to Kreminna, and spread themselves out in the open field, they no longer have an army. It is not a retreat, it's a rout. Instead of a fighting force, they would have a bunch of marauding gangs with no command, fending for themselves. If they don't surrender, they will be picked one by one.

Either way, a lot of Russian lives wasted for nothing. A negotiated surrender would have been a much more honorable way to exit the war.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,240 posts)
4. Perfectly stated.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 11:33 AM
Oct 2022

I think it's a safe bet to say that Western military doctrine, which the Ukr. Armed Forces have adopted, is far superior to Russian military doctrine, especially the Command-and-Control aspect of war fighting.

PortTack

(32,682 posts)
5. Brutal for the orcs! President Zelensky gave them a chance to surrender, it's too bad they didn't
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 11:43 AM
Oct 2022

Take it.

Reading the twitter thread and one link within that thread..it’s nauseating the numbers of dead and wounded russians. Will they ever learn?

Slava Ukraine!

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