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Thu Sep 15, 2022, 02:53 PM

My Trumpy neighbor is arguing about Jan. 6 on Facebook and sez...

"No cop died on Jan 6. One 100 lb young lady did - shot by a cop. Get your facts straight. '

what is that all about? and where is he getting his info on Jan. 6? Is this a new RW talking point?

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Reply My Trumpy neighbor is arguing about Jan. 6 on Facebook and sez... (Original post)
CTyankee Sep 15 OP
underpants Sep 15 #1
CTyankee Sep 15 #4
atreides1 Sep 15 #6
underpants Sep 15 #12
snowybirdie Sep 15 #2
Mr.Bill Sep 15 #3
Blue Owl Sep 15 #8
Hugh_Lebowski Sep 15 #5
bottomofthehill Sep 15 #17
Hugh_Lebowski Sep 15 #19
bottomofthehill Sep 15 #20
Hugh_Lebowski Sep 16 #24
prodigitalson Sep 15 #7
RockRaven Sep 15 #9
bottomofthehill Sep 15 #21
multigraincracker Sep 15 #10
CTyankee Sep 15 #11
onethatcares Sep 15 #13
underpants Sep 15 #14
CTyankee Sep 15 #16
Solomon Sep 16 #25
gratuitous Sep 15 #22
Emile Sep 15 #15
Dirty Socialist Sep 15 #18
KentuckyWoman Sep 15 #23
bottomofthehill Sep 17 #26


Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:00 PM

4. Thank you. I am often bewildered by what this guy says on Facebook...

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:04 PM

6. Ashli Babbitt

Was not a victim...

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:30 PM

12. To them she is. That's what I'm saying.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 02:57 PM

2. I think

They base this on no officer died that day from direct combat. However, one officer died the next day from chemical sprays and several committed suicide right after from the stress. They are very wrong. No use arguing with these fools, they'll not be convinced. And that 100# girl.....she was breaking into the house chamber and an officer was protecting our lawmakers. His duty and right.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 02:59 PM

3. My Trumpy neighbor was walking around

our senior mobile home park yesterday telling evryone they better get to the store right away and stock up on everything because when the trains stop running on Friday all the shelves would be empty. I told her not to worry, Biden will get it taken care of.

Haven't seen or heard from her today.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:05 PM

8. Dark Brandon strikes again!

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:03 PM

5. He is almost exactly right, I believe one or two other protesters died from things like falls

But yeah, no cops/capital police/military/NG died ON Jan 6.

However, there was a Capital officer that died of natural causes (per the autopsy) a few days later who MAY have been affected by chemical sprays and/or stress from the occasion.

But it's not something strong enough you can go back with and say 'he died BECAUSE Jan 6' with certainty, only a maybe.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 06:18 PM

17. Please have your facts right, USCP Officer Brian Sicknick died on 1/7

If not for the insurrection and chemical attack, he would still be here. The DC Medical Examiner could not see DIRECT cause and affect. The ME is a doctor and I am not, but I know what happened that day, and the attack was caught on video also. Brian was a 40 year old guy with no extra weight, light drinking non smoking cop who put about 15- 25 miles a day on his bike. 5 days a week 48 weeks a year. Hot, cold, whatever, on his bike securing the Capitol.

Brian reported to work on 1/6, was involved in some of the worst fighting on the West Front of the US Capitol. His attack by use of Bear Spray among other chemicals that he was exposed to that day was caught on video. Brian left the line, cleared his eyes and returned to the fight to save American Democracy.

Later in the evening, after the building was cleared and was being swept, Brian collapsed in the Capitol. At around 10 pm, Brian left the Capitol unconscious on a hospital gurney, he was admitted to the ICU via the emergency room and died without ever regaining consciousness.

Brian was a right wing guy, but when Democracy was under attack, he more than stepped up, he gave his life. He came to work on 1/6, never made it home and was dead about 24 hours after the attack on the Capitol started.

He was under tremendous physical and mental stress being involved in fighting back an insurrection, he was exposed to chemical agents and died a few hours not days later.

Brian was killed protecting Members of Congress and our democratic process.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 06:34 PM

19. I stated the exact facts of the situation, no clue what you're on about.

Edit: I suppose a 'few days' was inaccurate.

But the fact remains that the original RWNJ claim was 'ON January 6'. Which is technically correct by it's verbiage.

And if you want to go back to this person and say 'Yeah, but a cop involved in the fighting died the next day' that's a perfectly valid retort.

However, AFAIK the ME didn't explicitly say the attack caused his death.

So you'd be opening yourself up to that counter-argument.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:17 PM

20. So a few days later creates distance between the cause and affect

Brian left the building unconscious on his way to the hospital, never regained consciousness and died the next day is different than a few days later he died.

If someone drops dead of a heart attack while running a marathon, is it natural causes, yes, he/she had a heart attack, would they have had the same heart attack sitting home watching the marathon with a can of bud in their hand, probably not.

Brian came to work, fought insurrectionists never went home …..

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 16, 2022, 02:01 AM

24. Look what the wingnut said was technically true

and I just laid out the difficulty in arguing against the literal words he used.

That's all.

I'm not saying *I* think what happened on Jan 6 was irrelevant with regards to his death. I think you're almost certainly correct.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:10 PM

9. Brian Sicknick died on the evening of the 7th.

And the officers who died from suicide were a somewhat later IIRC.

That's one of those pedantic, disingenuous talking points. Your neighbor is a bad faith interlocutor.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:20 PM

21. Brian came to work on the 6th and never went home.

He left the Capitol via ambulance and died in the hospital.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:23 PM

10. All she had to do was

comply with the police.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:26 PM

11. He would probably say that she was exercising her right to free speech. So what's the best response

there? "the First Amendment doesn't protect trying to overthrow the government with violence."?

BTW, was Babbit armed?

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:34 PM

13. best response

When you're told to back away or you will be shot, back away.

I know that doesn't always work for POC/police interactions but we're talking about a caucasian female climbing through the capitols window.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:35 PM

14. No she wasn't armed.

Ask this person what they think of Brittney Griner. The basketball player being held in Russia for a weed vape thing.

I can almost guarantee they’ll say “She broke the law. She should have known. She hates America (she doesn’t). She has to pay the price” or some combination of those.

Response - So was/did Ashli Babbitt.
All those apply to Babbitt.

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Response to underpants (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 04:38 PM

16. good response! Thank you!

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Response to underpants (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 16, 2022, 04:03 AM

25. How were they supposed to know she wasnt

armed? She was wearing a backpack for chrisakes. Could have been a bomb, anything in there.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:22 PM

22. An angry armed mob stormed the Capitol

But that's just "free speech" in some quarters. The fellow in this clip was at one of the Portland demonstrations in 2020 because he wanted to see law enforcement's reaction for himself, and possibly ask him why they were doing what they were doing. These are the goons sent into Portland by the former guy, and how they treated this Navy veteran:



Ask your neighbor if he was entitled to free speech?

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 03:36 PM

15. The 100 pound young lady was a traitor!

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 06:29 PM

18. He's parroting Charlie Kirk

Ask him if he wants a cracker. BROK!

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Thu Sep 15, 2022, 07:24 PM

23. It takes A LOT of mental gymnastics to be a MAGA

There's no way to have a conversation with someone who is incapable of dealing on anything remotely close to reality.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2022, 08:25 PM

26. Tell your neighbor that no 100 pound women got killed that day.

Ashley Babbitt was closer to 150 pounds than 100 pounds and was 5’5-5’6. No way she could be 100 pounds. If he wants to play the literal game, you should too.

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