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global1

(25,224 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:05 AM Nov 2012

In These Last Days - Please Provide Info To Me To Convince Some Repug Friends To Vote For Obama.....

I'm beginning to worry. It seems that all my closest friends are leaning toward voting for Rmoney or will be voting for Rmoney.

One in particular voted for PBO in '08 and is trending toward Rmoney now because he thinks Rmoney is a better businessman. This friend is into day trading on the internet in a big way and is studied up on financials and the economy.

I feel that all three of these friends would be voting against their best interests - but I'm finding it hard to convince them otherwise. All three are health professionals. A pharmacist that's very religious and pro-life. A president of a hospital that is against the ACA. A respiratory therapist that is the financial wiz and believes PBO blew it right from the beginning - when as he says - PBO had control.

All three are in my age bracket. 64 and 65 y/o.

Please provide me with info that I can easily cut and paste and e-mail to them that supports PBO and refutes Rmoney. I don't want to have to come up with the arguments myself - because it will take too much time to develop. So I'm looking for some info that I can quickly turn around and e-mail.

Any help would be appreciated as I'd like to get this to them today. I'm also thinking that others here might be in the same boat and can benefit by this info as well to do the same with some of their friends/family.

Thanks in advance.

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In These Last Days - Please Provide Info To Me To Convince Some Repug Friends To Vote For Obama..... (Original Post) global1 Nov 2012 OP
Not sure that would be successful. Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2012 #1
Willard will start three wars Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #2
Here you go FSogol Nov 2012 #3
The business man thing treestar Nov 2012 #4
I don't think medicare is funded past 2016 meadowlark5 Nov 2012 #5
What does Mitt really support? landolfi Nov 2012 #6
If your friend is into day trading, surely he has done very well OKNancy Nov 2012 #7
I've been thinking about some pragmatic arguments.... MountainMazza Nov 2012 #8

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,546 posts)
1. Not sure that would be successful.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nov 2012

Better to find friends who don't seem connected to the process or are apolitical and get them to vote for PBO............... jsut sayin'

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
2. Willard will start three wars
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nov 2012

He will try to rape SS and Medicare ....... even if he says 55 and above are safe ...they will be effected
Have then give you the details of Willard's plans

FSogol

(45,446 posts)
3. Here you go
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:14 AM
Nov 2012

1. Seamus

2. 18 Ways Mitt is just like GWB
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/18-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-george-w-bush-20121018

3. Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz2BGc37JNh

4. KB Toys by DU's own Grantcart
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511407

5. Mitt Romney’s American safari By Jonathan Capehart
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/mitt-romneys-american-safari/2012/06/18/gJQAq0bWlV_blog.html

6. Robert Bork is Romney's Judicial Adviser. Do we really want Bork picking the next Supreme Court Justices?

Good Luck. When Dealing with Repubs, KIS = Keep It Simple.


treestar

(82,383 posts)
4. The business man thing
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:16 AM
Nov 2012

Has two succinct arguments: a businessman does not necessarily know how to deal with people who are as powerful as he is - like Congress - he's used to complete obedience. Look how Rmoney can't handle answering questions from the press - CEOs don't have to deal with that, for the most part. Also the way Rmoney made his money was not selling a good product, it was buying companies, squeezing the money out and then declaring bankruptcy.

Pro-life people should consider how many of the post-born will die in R wars or for lack of food and housing, etc. Let them prove they care about all life, not just the unborn.

Those who think PBO blew it and had control from the beginning are too unreasonable to deal with - good grief, so Rmoney will be better? So they are going to hand an R Congress to Rmoney, to see if he doesn't "blow it?" What about the substance of what Rmoney and an R Congress would do? That person seems more concerned with who is the "strongest tough guy" rather than policy.

The guy against the ACA probably thinks he knows more than you do about it, given his position. Maybe confuse him with Rmoney's indications he was going to keep the ACA, Romneycare, and the resulting scenario that he may as well give in and consider other issues!

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
5. I don't think medicare is funded past 2016
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nov 2012

I think the $716b Obama took from over payments to insurers and pharmaceutical companies and rolled back into medicare will keep it funded till 2024. Without that, I think they have to figure something out for medicare by 2016. The $716b that is in Ryan's plan is to give that savings in tax breaks, mostly to the wealthy. Then a scumney administration will simply say medicare is broke and everyone will need to go on vouchers because there is just no other way.

So that will affect your friends medicare benefits whether scumney says so or not.

landolfi

(234 posts)
6. What does Mitt really support?
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:22 AM
Nov 2012

Supposing I was one of those "anybody but Obama" folks, one of the fundamental problems with Mitt Romney is his total lack of integrity. What does he stand for? It's impossible to say, but it seems to be whatever the audience wants to hear. Is that moral leadership? And what exactly is his position on any issue, much less choice? Kennedy was accusing him in 94 of going from pro-life to pro-choice, he became governor as a pro-choice candidate, then at RNC he's back to pro-life again. Why did he change his positions? This as I read somewhere here is one of the ways the press has given this lying SOS weasel a complete pass--how can you make such a major life decision reversal with no explanation? It's one of the many elephants in the room. I think the difficulty with R$ is there are so many of these it's hard to know where to begin.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
7. If your friend is into day trading, surely he has done very well
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:23 AM
Nov 2012

under Obama... unless he is a numskull.

MountainMazza

(312 posts)
8. I've been thinking about some pragmatic arguments....
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:28 AM
Nov 2012

1) it takes a new president about a year and a half to get his sea legs under him....so we lose 18 months of progress

2) after two years in a president's first term...he starts running for his second term


.....a sitting president has neither of these problems.


3) choose the "devil we know" -- stable leadership in times of crisis

I know these are fringe arguments.....but....these folks aren't open to the real arguments.

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