COVID in California -- Hospitalizations jump 145% in ONE month & more

then they fucked around and found out the hard way - nope, not over.

People from several different locations all converge in one location for eight hours of "training". Very little actual job training happens at this event. This will be the first one since Covid. Attendance is mandatory, wearing a company logo shirt is mandatory, but thanks to our idiot sociopath governor they cannot mandate masks. I don't see any evidence they are even going to mention or encourage masks. I can't even.

my question is a reasonable one

And I'm very happy to hear that you are

I know a lot of people are going to the hospital for other things, then testing positive once they're there. I'd be interested to know how many cases are primarily because of Covid positivity and symptoms. We all know the variant has been sweeping through much like Omicron did.

Went to a wedding last weekend in Napa, which was . . . a choice. Over 200 people. So far, so ok. But I was definitely thinking, "We're getting it again, aren't we?" the entire time. We had Omicron in my house because certain people I live with who shall not be named went to a Christmas party at the peak of that.

But hey. If people get to go to Dore Alley in the midst of small pox, I'm going to a wedding and getting a bunch of free wine. Them's the rules.

for other reasons.

It's hard to gauge the dangers of a variant without a firm statement about the number of hospitalizations because of Covid.

Not that I doubt some kind of rise in them due to the latest highly contagious variant.

It's just difficult to get a sense of the impact without a clearer statement. There are a lot of articles that started conflating positivity with hospitalization, so you can't get a fix on the actual cases that cause problems. I'd be genuinely curious to know.

the data would be the same for now.
“But in Omicron hot spots from New York to Florida to Texas, a smaller proportion of those patients are landing in intensive care units or requiring mechanical ventilation, doctors said. And many — roughly 50 to 65 percent of admissions in some New York hospitals — show up at the hospital for other ailments and then test positive for the virus.“
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/health/covid-omicron-hospitalizations.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Florida hospital system says 50% of its COVID patients are mainly there for other reasons
https://www.businessinsider.com/50-covid-19-patients-florida-other-reasons-fauci-hochul-incidental-2022-1?amp

Yeah, you and I had been reading similar articles.

Thank you.

It's a valid question. How many hospitalizations are because of Covid symptoms?

The reason we don't have worse symptoms is because of the vaccine. The reason we have fewer hospitalizations is because of the vaccine.

However, asking what the numbers represent is not "antivax adjacent."

If you cannot even discuss objective numbers due to fear a narrative isn't being upheld, that's not science.

That's something else. Scientists don't withhold or obfuscate data or just decide they don't want to talk about it. Once that occurs, a person has given up the mantle of empirical knowledge and become solely a political actor.

I'm not interested in that sort of thing, pretty much ever. I just want to know how many people are in the hospital because of Covid symptoms, so I have some context about the severity of the current variant. Do you not think that would be good information to have? If not, why not?

and it's pushed continuously on social media cites like Twitter & Facebook in order to drive vaccine hesitancy.
Case in point --- these antivaxers below.







So you can understand why I said what I did for the sale of clarity.

Nor do I limit my own thinking and desire for clear knowledge based on what randos on Twitter do.

Do they pay my water bill? No. So my fucks about them are far afield and waving from the horizon.

The average daily deaths from COVID has been stable at 250-500 since mid April. That is the longest, lowest plateau since the pandemic began. We are seeing the transition to an endemic, stable infection rate and the spike the OP continues to predict have not materialized.

I always put a spin on things said by the person who who only citing deaths from Covid and not mentioning things like long haul Covid. Sure. Seems legit.

Covid isn't only deaths so why are you only citing that figure exactly?

I invite you to take some time and study things a bit more before insulting others.
You can start here at the SmartNews Covid tracker. Cases are surging.

Cases are hard to track and are not stable over time. In the beginning testing was not available, then we shifted to a period with much more reliable and reported testing and now we have shifted to where testing is so widely available that most is not reported. It's an unreliable data point when analyzing the spread of the virus over time.

The same is not true for deaths. It's not a perfect indicator, but it is stable over time and allows for a much better comparison.


You've been predicting the next spike for months now and it's not happening. I'm sorry pointing that out is problematic to your fear mongering.

at this rate, assuming no more large spikes, we'll only be losing the equivalent of 2.3 Vietnam Wars per year. (U.S. casualties only; the true cost of that war in human lives was far, far worse.)

Please remember that.

See above in the replies

If this is the endemic end-game for this virus, we are all fucked much harder than most people realize.

Also the bio says up to 30 people may have access to the account so who knows if it’s just one person or not. I find those kinds of shared accounts weird, tbh.

People aren’t dying as often, and Covid isn’t always their primary problem. I live in a highly vaxxed area, but Covid isolation uses tons of resources. We are also in contingency charting because of the staffing crisis.

The new nurses I see will never know a world without Covid, although I hope we reach endemic status in late fall.

We are all tired.

I absolutely despise Anti-vaxxers. The movement has reached the dog world, with people refusing to vax their animals. Fuckers.