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Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:23 AM

COVID in California -- Hospitalizations jump 145% in ONE month & more

The link to the article below contains several quick short news stories featuring the latest news about Covid.
Many are quite frankly shocking. I've only chosen a few of the many "news shorts".
Let's dive in!

Link for all stories below -- https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/COVID-in-California-UCSF-s-Wachter-questions-17344019.php









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Reply COVID in California -- Hospitalizations jump 145% in ONE month & more (Original post)
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 OP
Blues Heron Aug 5 #1
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #12
tanyev Aug 5 #2
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #13
JohnSJ Aug 5 #3
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #14
JohnSJ Aug 5 #17
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #18
Sympthsical Aug 5 #4
Phoenix61 Aug 5 #5
Sympthsical Aug 5 #6
Phoenix61 Aug 5 #7
Sympthsical Aug 5 #8
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #10
Sympthsical Aug 5 #15
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #16
Sympthsical Aug 5 #19
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #21
USALiberal Aug 5 #25
Zeitghost Aug 5 #9
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #11
Zeitghost Aug 5 #26
dawg Aug 5 #20
AntivaxHunters Aug 5 #22
dawg Aug 5 #24
BannonsLiver Aug 5 #27
ismnotwasm Aug 5 #23

Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:28 AM

1. A lot of people were told the COVID-19 crisis was over

then they fucked around and found out the hard way - nope, not over.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:35 AM

12. Exactly

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 08:41 AM

2. We've got a mandatory staff training day in a few weeks.

People from several different locations all converge in one location for eight hours of "training". Very little actual job training happens at this event. This will be the first one since Covid. Attendance is mandatory, wearing a company logo shirt is mandatory, but thanks to our idiot sociopath governor they cannot mandate masks. I don't see any evidence they are even going to mention or encourage masks. I can't even.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:35 AM

13. That is very scary.

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:18 AM

3. How many of those hospitalized were vacinated?

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:36 AM

14. Are you vaccinated?

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:56 AM

17. Yes, and boosted, but what does that have to do with my question? This is your OP, and

my question is a reasonable one

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:56 AM

18. A lot

And I'm very happy to hear that you are

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:37 AM

4. How many are hospitalized *because* of Covid?

I know a lot of people are going to the hospital for other things, then testing positive once they're there. I'd be interested to know how many cases are primarily because of Covid positivity and symptoms. We all know the variant has been sweeping through much like Omicron did.

Went to a wedding last weekend in Napa, which was . . . a choice. Over 200 people. So far, so ok. But I was definitely thinking, "We're getting it again, aren't we?" the entire time. We had Omicron in my house because certain people I live with who shall not be named went to a Christmas party at the peak of that.

But hey. If people get to go to Dore Alley in the midst of small pox, I'm going to a wedding and getting a bunch of free wine. Them's the rules.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 09:57 AM

5. I saw one study on that and most were hospitalized

for other reasons.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:03 AM

6. That's why I'm asking

It's hard to gauge the dangers of a variant without a firm statement about the number of hospitalizations because of Covid.

Not that I doubt some kind of rise in them due to the latest highly contagious variant.

It's just difficult to get a sense of the impact without a clearer statement. There are a lot of articles that started conflating positivity with hospitalization, so you can't get a fix on the actual cases that cause problems. I'd be genuinely curious to know.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:10 AM

7. This is from Jan but it's the Omicron variant so I'd assume

the data would be the same for now.
ďBut in Omicron hot spots from New York to Florida to Texas, a smaller proportion of those patients are landing in intensive care units or requiring mechanical ventilation, doctors said. And many ó roughly 50 to 65 percent of admissions in some New York hospitals ó show up at the hospital for other ailments and then test positive for the virus.ď
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/health/covid-omicron-hospitalizations.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Florida hospital system says 50% of its COVID patients are mainly there for other reasons
https://www.businessinsider.com/50-covid-19-patients-florida-other-reasons-fauci-hochul-incidental-2022-1?amp

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:16 AM

8. Thanks for those

Yeah, you and I had been reading similar articles.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:27 AM

10. Please don't push antivax adjacent talking points

Thank you.

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:37 AM

15. Please don't limit questions and scientific inquiry

It's a valid question. How many hospitalizations are because of Covid symptoms?

The reason we don't have worse symptoms is because of the vaccine. The reason we have fewer hospitalizations is because of the vaccine.

However, asking what the numbers represent is not "antivax adjacent."

If you cannot even discuss objective numbers due to fear a narrative isn't being upheld, that's not science.

That's something else. Scientists don't withhold or obfuscate data or just decide they don't want to talk about it. Once that occurs, a person has given up the mantle of empirical knowledge and become solely a political actor.

I'm not interested in that sort of thing, pretty much ever. I just want to know how many people are in the hospital because of Covid symptoms, so I have some context about the severity of the current variant. Do you not think that would be good information to have? If not, why not?

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:48 AM

16. It's a common antivax talking point

and it's pushed continuously on social media cites like Twitter & Facebook in order to drive vaccine hesitancy.
Case in point --- these antivaxers below.







So you can understand why I said what I did for the sale of clarity.




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Response to AntivaxHunters (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:57 AM

19. I don't care what yahoos think

Nor do I limit my own thinking and desire for clear knowledge based on what randos on Twitter do.

Do they pay my water bill? No. So my fucks about them are far afield and waving from the horizon.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:00 AM

21. Surely you can see why I said what I did however

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:07 AM

25. Lol

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:18 AM

9. The OP always has a way of putting a spin on things

The average daily deaths from COVID has been stable at 250-500 since mid April. That is the longest, lowest plateau since the pandemic began. We are seeing the transition to an endemic, stable infection rate and the spike the OP continues to predict have not materialized.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:31 AM

11. Excuse me?

I always put a spin on things said by the person who who only citing deaths from Covid and not mentioning things like long haul Covid. Sure. Seems legit.

Covid isn't only deaths so why are you only citing that figure exactly?

I invite you to take some time and study things a bit more before insulting others.
You can start here at the SmartNews Covid tracker. Cases are surging.


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Response to AntivaxHunters (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:12 AM

26. You've missed the point entirely

Cases are hard to track and are not stable over time. In the beginning testing was not available, then we shifted to a period with much more reliable and reported testing and now we have shifted to where testing is so widely available that most is not reported. It's an unreliable data point when analyzing the spread of the virus over time.

The same is not true for deaths. It's not a perfect indicator, but it is stable over time and allows for a much better comparison.


You've been predicting the next spike for months now and it's not happening. I'm sorry pointing that out is problematic to your fear mongering.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 10:58 AM

20. The deaths have definitely leveled off ...

at this rate, assuming no more large spikes, we'll only be losing the equivalent of 2.3 Vietnam Wars per year. (U.S. casualties only; the true cost of that war in human lives was far, far worse.)

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Response to dawg (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:01 AM

22. It's not only about deaths

Please remember that.

See above in the replies

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:05 AM

24. Oh, I agree. I was just trying to make the point that the deaths are still unacceptably high.

If this is the endemic end-game for this virus, we are all fucked much harder than most people realize.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 12:00 PM

27. +10000000

Also the bio says up to 30 people may have access to the account so who knows if itís just one person or not. I find those kinds of shared accounts weird, tbh.

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Response to AntivaxHunters (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:04 AM

23. We always have 7-20 positive patients at the hospital where I work. It varies

People arenít dying as often, and Covid isnít always their primary problem. I live in a highly vaxxed area, but Covid isolation uses tons of resources. We are also in contingency charting because of the staffing crisis.

The new nurses I see will never know a world without Covid, although I hope we reach endemic status in late fall.

We are all tired.

I absolutely despise Anti-vaxxers. The movement has reached the dog world, with people refusing to vax their animals. Fuckers.

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