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kentuck

(113,320 posts)
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:01 PM Jul 2022

This Democratic narrative should begin today.

It was not OK to attack our Capitol.

Those that did so should be held legally accountable.

There was no justification for attacking the most sacred place of our democracy.

No one should be above the law.

Everyone involved in the attack upon our Capitol should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Believing a lie does not make it true.

This is the narrative that should be widespread if the day comes when the Justice Department might have to indict very popular figures who committed criminal acts.

The time to start is now.

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This Democratic narrative should begin today. (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2022 OP
I agree, but I think that went out the window Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #1
I especially like your "believing a lie does not make it true"! calimary Jul 2022 #2
Republicans begin their "narratives" way ahead of time... kentuck Jul 2022 #4
Definitely! DO NOT save it for the last moment, when voting decisions are baked in. calimary Jul 2022 #5
There are so many things to talk about in regards to January 6th... kentuck Jul 2022 #8
We have had months of hearing...if folks don't get it, they never will. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #23
I've got messaging. Did you want me to wait for DNC? usonian Jul 2022 #3
Yep! ALL of this! calimary Jul 2022 #7
In my opinion, every time a Democrat on TV is asked about January 6th... kentuck Jul 2022 #6
YES!!! Repetition is an absolute! calimary Jul 2022 #9
They have to synopsize it... kentuck Jul 2022 #11
Those who don't get it never will...the horse has been led to water but will he drink? No- Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #13
Hell will freeze over before that happens...I was happily surprised by how successful January 6 Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #19
That is your opinion. kentuck Jul 2022 #29
It is my opinion. I believe if we use January 6 extensively in the midterms....depending on the Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #31
I wrote about this in my Indivisible group's Call to Action email this week. REPETITION!!! calimary Jul 2022 #35
No and no...we have other important issues. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #14
What issue is more important than our democracy? kentuck Jul 2022 #16
Winning the midterm is the only way to begin to save our country...the only way. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #17
And what issues do you think are best to win the midterms with? kentuck Jul 2022 #20
Roe is the number one issue, Medicare, LGBTQ, and a host of local issues... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #26
We need to be very focused. kentuck Jul 2022 #27
Democrats won't forget regardless...we are not sweeping it under the rug. We should run ads and Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #32
You would be preaching to choir...we need to run on Roe, Social Security etc. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #18
Somebody asks you a question about January 6th.... kentuck Jul 2022 #22
You make a brief comment about it and move on to issues voters care about...we care about Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #25
YES !!!- ALL NINE POINTS ABOVE ARE TOTALLY TRUE. (It includes the original post) please read. Stuart G Jul 2022 #10
That is all true but those who would agree agree...already. We need to make them Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #12
They repeat the narrative when they are asked on TV about January 6th. kentuck Jul 2022 #15
No and no...the other stuff that is really important that they have to say will be lost...we only Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #21
You act as if no one talks about January 6th and no one is interested? kentuck Jul 2022 #24
We need to repeat, repeat, and more repeat...OVER AND OVER AND OVER...... Stuart G Jul 2022 #28
I don't watch cable. However, I expect that it will be gotcha questions anyway. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #33
I am sorry I was unable to communicate my point to you. kentuck Jul 2022 #34
If we keep winning we can stop them...and I do understand you point. I am of the opinion Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #36
Do you think Donald Trump won the election in 2016 talking about the "issues"? kentuck Jul 2022 #37
Honestly, I think he won the Midwest by promising to fix manufacturing...you have no idea Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #38
I agree those are strong issues for Democrats... kentuck Jul 2022 #39
BINGO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2022 #30
Kick usonian Aug 2022 #40

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
1. I agree, but I think that went out the window
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:05 PM
Jul 2022

when they only charged so many of them with minor crimes.

calimary

(85,398 posts)
2. I especially like your "believing a lie does not make it true"!
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:08 PM
Jul 2022

That should live long and prosper on bumper stickers everywhere!

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
4. Republicans begin their "narratives" way ahead of time...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jul 2022

So they will be prepared to make their argument when the time comes. In my opinion, the Democrats should steal this play from the Republican playbook.

Repetitiously, repeat the narrative over and over until everyone has heard it. Don't save it for the last moment.

calimary

(85,398 posts)
5. Definitely! DO NOT save it for the last moment, when voting decisions are baked in.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:23 PM
Jul 2022

Do it early and relentlessly so THAT’S what nestles in and has time to take root.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
8. There are so many things to talk about in regards to January 6th...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jul 2022

...it needs to be kept simple and a few salient points need to be repeated over and over to be effective, in my opinion. It is easy to get distracted when talking about January 6th.

usonian

(16,435 posts)
3. I've got messaging. Did you want me to wait for DNC?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:09 PM
Jul 2022

From:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216969676

DON'T WAIT.
MESSAGE LIKE CRAZY!

• CLEAN AIR
• FAIR SHARE
• PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY
• AND MEDICARE
• BALLOTS, NOT BULLETS
• JOBS, NOT MOBS
• STRONG AND FREE WOMEN -- THAT'S OUR POSITION
• NOBODY WANTS AN INQUISITION
• PROTECT THE LBGTQ
• THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT MATTER TO YOU


If you can do better, please do! Take the ball and run with it. I'm a physics grad, OK?

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calimary

(85,398 posts)
7. Yep! ALL of this!
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jul 2022

And as far as that obsession with the “grooming” thing.

Perhaps that behavior is a signal that they’re REALLY obsessed with it … for many reasons, all of them sinister.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
6. In my opinion, every time a Democrat on TV is asked about January 6th...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:23 PM
Jul 2022

He should make the points above. Repetition is the key.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
11. They have to synopsize it...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:33 PM
Jul 2022

...it is easy to talk about the Secret Service, or Rudy, or Powell, or the electors, or the secret meetings, or the phone calls to GA, or Eastman, or Stone, or the J6 Committee, or Merrick Garland, or a hundred other legitimate subjects, but it has to be synopsized to a short list to be effective, in my opinion. Otherwise, it is all scattered.

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
13. Those who don't get it never will...the horse has been led to water but will he drink? No-
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:37 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)

probably not. We need to win the midterms or January 6th goes bye bye and they spend the next two years investigating Biden, Hillary, and Hunter-Priorities.

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
19. Hell will freeze over before that happens...I was happily surprised by how successful January 6
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:47 PM
Jul 2022

was...and now time to bring up other issues that will gain even more voters.

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
31. It is my opinion. I believe if we use January 6 extensively in the midterms....depending on the
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:05 PM
Jul 2022

state, of course, we risk losing the midterm. I believe the best way to protect democracy is to win the midterm and reelect Biden in 24.

calimary

(85,398 posts)
35. I wrote about this in my Indivisible group's Call to Action email this week. REPETITION!!!
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:29 PM
Jul 2022


Notes for the New Week:
Campaign season is close at hand! We’ll be working to persuade voters to see things our way, locally, statewide, and beyond. Sharp tools and smart psychology are our best friends!
REPETITION, for example:
“For too long, Democrats and the Left have let the Right claim ‘freedom’ when they stand for nothing more than being authoritarians, and taking away our freedoms! And so what a freedom message does is - it allows us to both clearly articulate exactly what the other side is doing (activate loss-aversion, which is an incredibly potent form of political persuasion); AND say what we’re FOR. And to do all of that with a single frame that you can repeat over and over and over again. And that repetition is really key, because once a message is more familiar to listeners, absent the content, regardless of the content, it is more popular and more persuasive just for being familiar.”
Anat Shenker-Osorio, Founder, ASO Communications, interviewed on MSNBC, 7-30-22
https://www.asocommunications.com

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
20. And what issues do you think are best to win the midterms with?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:48 PM
Jul 2022

And if you are on TV and someone asks you about the attack upon our Capitol on January 6th, will you ignore it and answer with your "issues"?

We need to set the narrative to hold people accountable that attacked our democracy. This does not prevent us from talking about any of the other issues.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
27. We need to be very focused.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:59 PM
Jul 2022

In my opinion.

I don't think most Democrats want to forget about what happened on January 6th and just sweep it under the rug. They want accountability.

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
32. Democrats won't forget regardless...we are not sweeping it under the rug. We should run ads and
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:19 PM
Jul 2022

that sort of thing...it can be mentioned and will be, but it should not be our entire focus. Fetterman is up 11 points running a factory Town campaign about jobs and such...He is also relentlessly trolling Oz...we need to win the midterms. Other rust-belt candidates are running factory town campaigns as well.

I don't think campaigns focused on 1-6 will work. Tim Ryan is up. And I promise you that 1/6 focus will not help him. We need to win this midterm. I think there are issues that are better for the campaign. And while no one should forget 1/6, it can't be our focus if we want to win.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
22. Somebody asks you a question about January 6th....
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jul 2022

...and you answer with a response about Roe and Social Security. Sorry, that does not make any sense.

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
25. You make a brief comment about it and move on to issues voters care about...we care about
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jul 2022

January 6th. But do the voters care as much? You will never get people who are not on board...but Roe might get them or LGBTQ...

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
10. YES !!!- ALL NINE POINTS ABOVE ARE TOTALLY TRUE. (It includes the original post) please read.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:29 PM
Jul 2022

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
12. That is all true but those who would agree agree...already. We need to make them
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:34 PM
Jul 2022

pay for Roe, and what DeathSantis is doing in Florida to LGBTQ and education...for denying vets cancer care for toxic burns, etc.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
15. They repeat the narrative when they are asked on TV about January 6th.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:38 PM
Jul 2022

They have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. There is nothing to keep anyone from talking about the issues you mention. I was talking about January 6th specifically.

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
21. No and no...the other stuff that is really important that they have to say will be lost...we only
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jul 2022

have so much media time.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
24. You act as if no one talks about January 6th and no one is interested?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 05:52 PM
Jul 2022

Is that what you believe?

So if a prominent Democrat is on TV and they are asked about the attack of January 6th, they should ignore it and talk about your "issues"?

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
28. We need to repeat, repeat, and more repeat...OVER AND OVER AND OVER......
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jul 2022

WHY? ....HERE IS WHY??????????????????

....MANY NON- BELIEVERS, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SURE...NON SURERS

you don't think so? check the polls. Sometimes truth must be repeated over and over again. Lots of examples in
history...too many to list. You name them, I'm out of energy. (Time to rest.. )

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
33. I don't watch cable. However, I expect that it will be gotcha questions anyway.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:21 PM
Jul 2022

Answer the question, make it short and sweet...and then move on to jobs and other issues.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
34. I am sorry I was unable to communicate my point to you.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:17 PM
Jul 2022

I hope whatever we win in the next election is worth keeping.

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
36. If we keep winning we can stop them...and I do understand you point. I am of the opinion
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:30 PM
Jul 2022

that winning the next two elections or God forbid not...will tell the tale if this Republic survives...remember if we lose... they can do anything they want. The only antidote to what we are facing-out and out treachery- is to win big...grind them into the ground. I understand and I respect your point of view though. I do.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
37. Do you think Donald Trump won the election in 2016 talking about the "issues"?
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:38 PM
Jul 2022

Or do you think he appealed to emotions, ridicule, and adolescent character attacks?

Be care about putting too much stock in "issues". Especially in these times.

Also, if you win the world and lose your soul, what have you won?

Demsrule86

(71,070 posts)
38. Honestly, I think he won the Midwest by promising to fix manufacturing...you have no idea
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:49 PM
Jul 2022

what a big deal that is around here. People went from good-paying jobs to working at fast food joints when the steel mills and auto plants closed. I heard Democrats talk of 'retraining' and cringed...that is a dirty word around here. Every election all parties came to Ohio during multiple campaigns and came with big promises...and then nothing was ever done...more factories closed and more people lost their jobs.

And consider Trump barely won. Also, this is not a presidential election...we are talking midterms. This is more like 2004 than 2016...Bush won the midterm and Roosevelt won in 34...we have had an earthquake in terms of really terrible rulings from SCOTUS...that is the threat to Democracy and why we must win. Roe is not just an issue for women...there is a hell of a lot of emotion there.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
39. I agree those are strong issues for Democrats...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:55 PM
Jul 2022

...and I think Tim Ryan is doing a good job communicating with the people of Ohio. But that does not mean we have to forget about the criminals that tried to overthrow our government. I am only saying there is a better way to communicate it, when asked about it. I am not saying we should not talk about any issue that you mentioned.

As if we don't talk about it all, the Trumpsters will all vote Democratic. Surrender is not the answer.

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