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kentuck

(113,320 posts)
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 12:26 PM Jul 2022

An indictment of Donald Trump is an indictment of the Republican Party.

That is why it is so hard to convict a former president.

A conviction of Trump is a conviction of the Republicans. They were with him every step of the way in his criminal spree against our nation.

To their credit, many Republicans left their Party when it was obvious the direction they were going. But, unfortunately almost all elected Republicans chose to stand with him, as his crimes grew more and more hideous.

It is probably impossible for one political Party to convict another political Party thru the courts, even if they are all guilty. They can only be convicted thru public opinion.

In my opinion, this is the impossible situation we, as Democrats, find ourselves today. We know that Donald Trump is guilty of serious crimes against our nation, and that the Republicans in Washington are accessories to the crimes.

But what, realistically, can be done? Other than to convict them in the arena of public opinion and to defeat them at the polls?

It is a political dilemma. This is the reality that confronts Merrick Garland and the Dept of Justice. Can they convict a former president if his political Party is also guilty?

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An indictment of Donald Trump is an indictment of the Republican Party. (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2022 OP
If convicted, can America file a civil suit class action? I mean punitive damages, you know bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #1
Nope. Ocelot II Jul 2022 #2
What they are is not a political.. thomski64 Jul 2022 #3
Where is the line drawn as to what is a political act and what is a criminal act? Mr. Ected Jul 2022 #4
They all knew. kentuck Jul 2022 #5
Of course they did Mr. Ected Jul 2022 #7
If the shoe were on the other foot... kentuck Jul 2022 #8
This is very, very important. barbaraann Jul 2022 #6
They swept Nixon under the rug RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2022 #9
It's hard to imagine how they could sweep... kentuck Jul 2022 #10
Crime equals punishment. spanone Jul 2022 #11

Mr. Ected

(9,689 posts)
4. Where is the line drawn as to what is a political act and what is a criminal act?
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 12:36 PM
Jul 2022

The US Code defines that line very specifically.

What we've been watching is a vast Republican conspiracy to engage in criminal behavior.

This needs to be distinguished from Republicans doing Republican things. Those things may be contemptible, but they're not necessarily illegal.

The J6 hearings have been terrific in framing the crimes, particularly because the testimony has come primarily from other Republicans.

I don't want the Republican Party to be dismantled, I want the criminals in the Republican Party to be replaced by non-criminal Republicans.

Mr. Ected

(9,689 posts)
7. Of course they did
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 01:10 PM
Jul 2022

That's why they all need to be indicted as co-conspirators.

Again, this isn't political persecution, this is a criminal prosecution, regardless of how they frame it on FOX News.

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
8. If the shoe were on the other foot...
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:14 PM
Jul 2022

I'm sure the Republicans would not hesitate to indict everyone they possibly could. They would call it treason and be calling for the death penalty.

However, Democrats are not capable of the same vengefulness. It is discouraging but that is the way it is. Democrats try to do what is best for the country. Republicans do not give it a second thought.

barbaraann

(9,289 posts)
6. This is very, very important.
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jul 2022

I have never understood why people scoffed when Hillary called out the "vast right-wing conspiracy."

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,015 posts)
9. They swept Nixon under the rug
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:20 PM
Jul 2022

and that is why we got Trump, so if we sweep Trump under the rug we are not gonna have democracy anymore.

The should be the job that is engraved on Merrick Garlands tomb "The man who saved democracy " now that might seem a big burden, but if we whiff on this one. The country is fucked !!!

kentuck

(113,320 posts)
10. It's hard to imagine how they could sweep...
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:51 PM
Jul 2022

..an attempted coup, that threatened the lives of the Democrats in the House and Senate and VP Mike Pence, under the rug, with so much evidence of the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election, with lives lost and a delay in the electoral vote count. But, they are very good at pretending it never happened, and if it did, it was no big deal.

I don't know how the Democrats could ever allow that to be swept under the rug without doing permanent damage to the Party?

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