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niyad

(122,898 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 12:58 PM Jul 2022

Alito Says Abortion Has Nothing To Do With Gender Equality--But History Says Otherwise


Alito Says Abortion Has Nothing To Do With Gender Equality—But History Says Otherwise
7/22/2022 by Shoshanna Ehrlich


In Dobbs v. Jackson, Alito claims preventing abortion does not evince a “discriminatory ‘animus’ against women.” History makes clear: He’s wrong.

Pro-abortion protesters gather in New York City’s Foley Square on May 3, 2022, following the leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade. (Legoktm / Wikimedia Commons)

In one fell swoop, Justice Alito’s majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization eviscerated Roe’s privacy anchoring of the right to abortion. It also trashed the Court’s subsequent recognition in Planned Parenthood v. Casey that control over one’s reproduction is inextricably linked to gender equality. “Roe’s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions,” according to Alito, has liberated them “to participate equally in the social and economic life of the Nation.” Without so much as a nod to Casey, Alito blithely disconnects the dots. In support of this decoupling, he relies upon the Court’s 1993 conclusion in Bray v. Alexandria Women’s Health Clinic that clinic protests by Operation Rescue did not deprive those seeking abortion services of their civil rights because opposition to abortion does not evince a “discriminatory animus against women.’” In doing so, Alito ignores the deeply gendered origins of the nation’s criminal abortion laws. A considerable irony is at work in this omission given his pointed criticism that the Roe Court’s survey of abortion history ranged from the “constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect.”

The nation’s criminal abortion laws that were deemed unconstitutional in Roe were the product of a 19th-century campaign by elite physicians who sought to replace the common law ‘quickening’ rule, which permitted abortion up until the time of fetal movement, with a strict prohibitory regime subject to a narrow life-saving exception. According to historian James Mohr in his classic monograph on the subject, their efforts proved “to be the single most important factor in altering the legal policies towards abortion in this country.” As a result, by the turn of the century, the quickening rule had been consigned to the historic dustbin, in favor of a near absolute ban on abortion. Animated by a pervasive fear that the mid-19th-century woman’s rights movement was encouraging the “better sort” of wife to abandon her “divinely-inscribed” duty to bear children, the physicians’ campaign was saturated with a deep gendered paternalism.

Sounding the alarm, Dr. Horatio Storer, the Boston-born and educated leader of the crusade, urgently warned that those who “become unmindful of the course marked out for her by Providence” by giving into desire while avoiding the “pains and responsibilities of maternity” would no longer “merit the respect of a virtuous husband,” and could expect to “sink into old age like a withered tree stripped of its foliage, with the stain of blood upon her soul.” The physicians’ crusade can be understood as a masculinist project aimed at repairing the damage they believed had been wrought by feminist agitators who foolishly believed that “woman was born for higher and nobler purposes than the propagation of the species.” To this end, Storer exhorted his colleagues to engage in a “bold and manly” effort against the crime of abortion which he claimed “interfered with all elements of domestic happiness.”
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This history upends Alito’s claim in Dobbs that “the goal of preventing abortion” does not evince a “discriminatory ‘animus’ against women.” It also makes a mockery of his assertion that the Roe Court was guilty of a “plainly incorrect” reading of history.


https://msmagazine.com/2022/07/22/alito-abortion-bans-history-discrimination-women-gender/
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Alito Says Abortion Has Nothing To Do With Gender Equality--But History Says Otherwise (Original Post) niyad Jul 2022 OP
K&R musette_sf Jul 2022 #1
Thank you! niyad Jul 2022 #5
WE American MEN need to make that court and righty in general VERY SORRY they Eliot Rosewater Jul 2022 #2
Thank you for standing with us! niyad Jul 2022 #6
Alito is so full of shit! Diamond_Dog Jul 2022 #3
Sadly true. niyad Jul 2022 #7
Takes a really self serving man to say some of the crap he does RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2022 #18
You don't need to look that far back Novara Jul 2022 #4
this is so true. Would you consider cross-posting this in Women's Rights And Issues as its own OP? niyad Jul 2022 #8
sure thing Novara Jul 2022 #9
Thank you. niyad Jul 2022 #13
Alito is so out of touch with objectivity, that his opinions should be seen as extremist. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #10
I don't know if he's out of touch, or just doesn't give a shit Silent3 Jul 2022 #11
This SCOTUS, led by Alito, is catastrophic for women from birth to old age. Hekate Jul 2022 #12
Sadly, disgustingly true. niyad Jul 2022 #14
It has to do with his religion, the Catholic Opus Dei cult. Catholic Sharia law. SharonAnn Jul 2022 #15
True niyad Jul 2022 #16
There was a CLE event last month where a law professor discussed how Alito got the history wrong LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #17
Thank you for letting us know that there are such historians out there. niyad Jul 2022 #21
K&R for the post and the discussion. crickets Jul 2022 #19
Thank you. niyad Jul 2022 #20
A 1792 case reveals that key Founders saw abortion as a private matter LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #22
Thank you for posting this most important information. Would you consider niyad Jul 2022 #25
A rogue court. spanone Jul 2022 #23
To put it kindly. niyad Jul 2022 #24
The Dobbs decision looks to history to rescind Roe LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #26

Eliot Rosewater

(32,782 posts)
2. WE American MEN need to make that court and righty in general VERY SORRY they
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 01:02 PM
Jul 2022

ever did this.

Starts with voting, but so much more we can do that is legal and nonviolent.

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,024 posts)
18. Takes a really self serving man to say some of the crap he does
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 04:32 PM
Jul 2022

He is almost man-splaining his legal theories, sorry Dude they are not that complex !

Novara

(6,115 posts)
4. You don't need to look that far back
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 01:07 PM
Jul 2022

In fact, there are a ton of current studies that show women with children make less money and are promoted far less than men and than women without children. Mothers are the slowest group to succeed in the working world behind white men, black men, and childfree women.

Keeping women pregnant takes them out of the workforce and keeps them on an uneven footing throughout their careers. Because if they don't advance when they are younger, by the time they have 20 years of experience and they're still on the lower rungs of the ladder, they're much less likely to go much higher.

WOMEN TWO THIRDS LESS LIKELY THAN MEN TO GET PROMOTED AT WORK AFTER HAVING CHILDREN

Women are significantly less likely than men to be offered a promotion at work after having children, new research suggests.

A report published by the universities of Bristol and Essex for the Government Equalities Office found that just 27.8 per cent of women were in full-time or self-employed work three years after childbirth, compared to 90 per cent of new fathers.

The data also showed that women who did return to work after becoming a parent were two thirds less likely to get promoted in the five years after the child was born compared to their male counterparts with 26 per cent of fathers receiving promotions or moving to a better job compared to 13 per cent of mothers.

Furthermore, 17 per cent of women were found to have left employment completely in the five years following childbirth, compared to four per cent of men.

The researchers conducting the report looked at how childbirth affects employment and career progression across a sample group of more than 3,500 new parents.


More in the link.




THIS IS WHY THEY DO THIS SHIT, folks. They are afraid of the competition.

niyad

(122,898 posts)
8. this is so true. Would you consider cross-posting this in Women's Rights And Issues as its own OP?
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jul 2022

Thanks in advance.

Baitball Blogger

(49,581 posts)
10. Alito is so out of touch with objectivity, that his opinions should be seen as extremist.
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 01:26 PM
Jul 2022

Hence, not Supreme Court material.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
11. I don't know if he's out of touch, or just doesn't give a shit
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jul 2022

Alito wants the end results he wants, and will evoke any rationalization that's convenient no matter how flimsy. Whether he buys the shit he's selling is harder to determine, but in the end it's also irrelevant to the results we get.

LetMyPeopleVote

(160,410 posts)
17. There was a CLE event last month where a law professor discussed how Alito got the history wrong
Sat Jul 23, 2022, 04:27 PM
Jul 2022

Alito's only support for his position was a witch hunter who believed in marital rape. The professor cited a number of real historians who disagreed with Alito. I did not copy the cites on the zoom CLE and now wish that I had

LetMyPeopleVote

(160,410 posts)
22. A 1792 case reveals that key Founders saw abortion as a private matter
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jul 2022

Alito's only support for his opinion was a witch hunter who believed in/advocated for marital rape. Here is some authority that Alito was too stupid to find or use



https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/07/19/1792-case-reveals-that-key-founders-saw-abortion-private-matter/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjM4MjMyODIzIiwicmVhc29uIjoiZ2lmdCIsIm5iZiI6MTY1ODU2MjA5NSwiaXNzIjoic3Vic2NyaXB0aW9ucyIsImV4cCI6MTY1OTc3MTY5NSwiaWF0IjoxNjU4NTYyMDk1LCJqdGkiOiI0MDZjNjg4ZC1hODI2LTQ0ZWMtOGQ2Zi0zNDAwMjI3NDhiNDAiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vbWFkZS1ieS1oaXN0b3J5LzIwMjIvMDcvMTkvMTc5Mi1jYXNlLXJldmVhbHMtdGhhdC1rZXktZm91bmRlcnMtc2F3LWFib3J0aW9uLXByaXZhdGUtbWF0dGVyLyJ9.3Oz4ziKkJBN2tEYVnpVZn6nAAc14004UAhTbvAbyhAM

A basic premise of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization was that the Constitution can protect the right to abortion only if it is “deeply rooted in our history and traditions.” This statement complements Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s concept of originalism, or the idea that the court should interpret the Constitution by trying to infer “the meaning that it had at the time people ratified it.”

Alito’s evidence that abortion was always considered a criminal act, and thus something the Constitution should not protect, consisted of a single criminal case that was prosecuted in 1652 in the (Catholic) colony of Maryland. He then jumped ahead to laws that states enacted, mostly in the mid-to-late-19th century, to criminalize abortion. This cursory survey of abortion in early America was hardly complete, especially because it ignored the history of abortion in the years in which the Constitution was drafted and ratified.....

Therefore, the more historically accurate conclusion is Justice Harry A. Blackmun’s majority opinion in Roe v. Wade (1973), that “at the time of the adoption of our Constitution, and throughout the majority of the 19th century, abortion was viewed with less disfavor than under most American statutes currently in effect. Phrasing it another way, a woman enjoyed a substantially broader right to terminate a pregnancy than she does in most States today. ”

Though Marshall’s notes on Commonwealth v. Randolph are extensive, this episode is poorly documented in the county court records, and, thus, no formal case law was generated. Regardless, the episode begs examination as it involved key Founders who occupied vastly different positions on the political spectrum, both nationally and in Virginia. The Federalist Marshall believed in a strong national government. Jefferson mostly supported a decentralized system. Henry was a populist. Yet all three tacitly agreed that abortion in this case was a private matter, not a criminal act worthy of further investigation and prosecution. In a remarkable coda, Nancy went on to marry Gouverneur Morris of New York, an influential signer of the Constitution, who was well aware of her backstory.

If anything, the saga demonstrates that the concept of abortion as a private matter was “deeply rooted” in the minds of our nation’s Founders. As Americans consider their next move on the abortion issue at the state level, they should be mindful of the precedents followed by these early giants of our republic.

niyad

(122,898 posts)
25. Thank you for posting this most important information. Would you consider
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 03:42 PM
Jul 2022

posting it as its own OP for greater visibility, and so we can rec it?

LetMyPeopleVote

(160,410 posts)
26. The Dobbs decision looks to history to rescind Roe
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 11:22 PM
Jul 2022

Again, Alito is a partisan hack who does not know history. Alito cited a witch hunter who was an advocate for marital rape as his authority to overturn Roe. Alito is both a partisan hack/bad lawyer and a bad historian



https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/06/24/dobbs-decision-looks-history-rescind-roe/

Friday’s Supreme Court ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization relies on history to rescind the constitutional right to a legal abortion established by Roe v. Wade in 1973. There’s just one problem: the history it relies on is not correct.

Writing for the majority in Dobbs, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. argues that Roe disrupted “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment” that had “persisted from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.” But the real picture is far blurrier — and even once states began passing stricter abortion laws between the 1820s and 1880s, public sentiment did not follow. Few abortion providers were convicted under the new laws, indicating that most Americans didn’t see abortion as a crime.

Anglo-American common law initially guided the U.S. on abortion. Under common law, abortion was only punishable after “quickening,” defined as the moment the mother first felt fetal movement — typically between 16 to 22 weeks of gestation.

Alito contends, however, that pre-quickened abortions were always strongly condemned, as shown by the wave of statutes that states passed in the 19th century criminalizing abortion for the entire pregnancy. Yet, over a third of the states actually retained the imprint of quickening in these laws, assigning a distinctly lesser penalty for abortions that took place before quickening.

Even more importantly, there is scant evidence of public concern about fetal “personhood” or moral opprobrium prompting those new state laws in the 19th century, as Alito claims in Dobbs. In fact, there appears to have been no public pressure at all for tougher laws before 1845. All the statutes passed before 1845 were added during routine revisions of state criminal codes, probably meaning that most were enacted without actual debate.
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