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superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:14 PM Nov 2012

Staten Island is the Lower Ninth Ward

If you haven't seen what's going on in working class Staten Island, please do yourself a favor and follow it. The parallels to Katrina and the blue collar, lower income residents of the borough are astounding.

They need help. But Wall Street isn't there, nor are any casinos.

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Staten Island is the Lower Ninth Ward (Original Post) superpatriotman Nov 2012 OP
They're getting help now, though. justiceischeap Nov 2012 #1
Yep, help is on the way tomorrow nobodyspecial Nov 2012 #3
Fema and Red Cross were there TODAY... NotThisTime Nov 2012 #4
Actually, the Red Cross and the National Guard Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #8
Please provide a link superpatriotman Nov 2012 #10
I just did a google search and came up with stories riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #20
Read down, you'll see it. ;-) Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #23
Thanks superpatriotman Nov 2012 #27
Why? demgrrrll Nov 2012 #33
Because I am drawing a parallel superpatriotman Nov 2012 #36
Your lines are diverging...no parallel here. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #38
Why doesn't that surprise me? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #37
Because short of calling me a Troll superpatriotman Nov 2012 #41
I am not calling you a troll... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #58
I was here for Andrew, too superpatriotman Nov 2012 #62
So did mine... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #66
So you challenge people @ their contentions that the Red Cross and Nat Guard are there riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #53
Read post 44 superpatriotman Nov 2012 #59
Nope. The Red Cross and National Guard were there. You said they weren't riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #63
Many of the Staten Islanders that got flooded out were not in evacuation Zones. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #81
There is no gas all over the Island Ter Nov 2012 #94
Access to gasoline does seem to be a big factor for many... ellisonz Nov 2012 #100
I am familiar with the hardships imposed Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #103
This is the richest country in the history of the world superpatriotman Nov 2012 #7
MREs for 500,000 people? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #15
In Diego Garcia... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #52
Good work and glad to know that they are on the job. demgrrrll Nov 2012 #31
Just heard about this on the news. Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #2
It's because people in Staten Island live below sea level. vaberella Nov 2012 #39
Actually Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #65
Phew. Someone who has some first hand knowledge! Thanks for chiming in! nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #68
Actually...they don't have a lot of hilly terrain. I have Friends that live out there. vaberella Nov 2012 #75
Ummm Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #83
160 ft above sea level with higher elevations... Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #90
That is not true. Bloomberg did the evacuations half-assed. Many of the shelters in Si were hrmjustin Nov 2012 #85
that gives me some perspective quinnox Nov 2012 #5
Same here. I can't even figure out much when I look at maps of the area. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2012 #12
Sandy made Landfall Monday evening.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #6
Staten Island wasn't on the radar superpatriotman Nov 2012 #9
Save your watchest. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #11
It didn't take long for the repukes to strike back did it? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #26
Yep, Drudge is covering this and, coincidence I'm sure, it appears on DU shortly after... Spazito Nov 2012 #29
Yep...I was suspicious as soon as I saw it. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #40
You're insinuating? superpatriotman Nov 2012 #30
So have I... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #48
That's right . . . brush Nov 2012 #73
I live in Bay Ridge brooklyn a few blocks from the Verrazano Bridge. I am going there tomorrow to hrmjustin Nov 2012 #87
It's a Disaster for a fucking REASON...... FrenchieCat Nov 2012 #50
lol nobodyspecial Nov 2012 #64
Your name says it all. Eddie Haskell Nov 2012 #110
Lie alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #13
actually, amborin Nov 2012 #32
That is simply not true. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #17
Yes, it was issued a mandatory evacuation order. It's a low-lying area. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #24
That is 100% false. They were sent evacuation notice. What the fuck are you talking about?! vaberella Nov 2012 #42
I meant media coverage superpatriotman Nov 2012 #43
Where do you live? vaberella Nov 2012 #45
Radar was perhaps the wrong word superpatriotman Nov 2012 #51
Glenda Moore ring a bell? vaberella Nov 2012 #77
+1 Chorophyll Nov 2012 #21
I grew up in Bay Ridge Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #35
Yes, a big part of SI is conservative. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #54
Absolutely agree with you. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #61
I am from and live in bay ridge too. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #76
We watched the Verrazano Bridge being built from our 4th floor apartment window... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #113
FHHS is still there! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #114
OMG Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #115
I watched a huge press conference there today malaise Nov 2012 #14
According to an ABC report, the Nat'l Guard and the Red Cross arrived Tuesday.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #18
More like Chalmette than lower 9th but... ThePhilosopher04 Nov 2012 #16
I saw that. I was wondering, though...wasn't it supposed to have been evacuated? Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #19
Do you have anyn idea how big Staten Island is? alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #25
That's false. There were tons of shelters open. vaberella Nov 2012 #44
False superpatriotman Nov 2012 #49
vaberella...I'm just pointing out to Honeycombe 8 that she doesn't know fuck all about NYC alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #60
people were not told to evacuate until the day before. Several of the evacuation sites were flooded. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #89
Anyone in Zone A was supposed to evacuate. Jennicut Nov 2012 #82
With freak weather the "new normal," is it time to talk about forced evacuations? K8-EEE Nov 2012 #22
In NYC, a lot of people don't have their own transportation. LisaL Nov 2012 #28
Understood, and part of the "forced" would obviously mean "provided." K8-EEE Nov 2012 #46
I live in NYC . . . markpkessinger Nov 2012 #57
I live in brooklyn and people were told to leave the day before the storm. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #91
The conservatives in this country said the same thing about Katrina Marrah_G Nov 2012 #104
Not the same thing at all, because ... markpkessinger Nov 2012 #116
Um, subways wouldn't have gotten to Staten Island anyway alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #71
Exactly. It's Ferry or the Verrazano Bridge which ended up closing at a certain time. n/t vaberella Nov 2012 #79
They have a rail line that connects to the ferry and bus lines that lead into Brooklyn, but those hrmjustin Nov 2012 #97
Many people on SI do not have cars and do not live near buses or the train line there. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #93
Yes, so SUGGESTING evacuation isn't enough K8-EEE Nov 2012 #102
THERE WERE BUSES> THERE MOST CERTAINLY WERE SUBWAYS OPEN WELL AHEAD OF THE STORM KittyWampus Nov 2012 #117
$$$$$$ superpatriotman Nov 2012 #34
No I'm not blaming the victim but K8-EEE Nov 2012 #47
+1 ellisonz Nov 2012 #101
I think we do need forced evacuations Marrah_G Nov 2012 #105
Sorry- not much sympathy demhottie Nov 2012 #55
Our assistance in a crisis should never be based on a stereotype of a region Marrah_G Nov 2012 #106
Thanks for the speech but demhottie Nov 2012 #118
Except that it's not... brooklynite Nov 2012 #56
Yawn. Take your bullshit lies somwehere else please. n/t Avalux Nov 2012 #67
No Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #69
+1 n/t Spazito Nov 2012 #70
Thank you...Staten Island is huge, with more population than Atlanta, St. Louis, and, yes NOLA alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #74
Thank you for the stats. :) nt Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #86
I think people who don't know NYC, or have only been as a tourist don't grasp the scale of these alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #88
You are so right Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #92
It used to be small Ter Nov 2012 #96
Staten Island had 380,000 population in the 1990 census alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #98
+1. n/t vaberella Nov 2012 #80
Hmm. Don't have a clue about either place, do you? n/t gkhouston Nov 2012 #72
I smell troll. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #78
Fail thread shawmut Nov 2012 #84
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Drudge has a similar hyperbolic headline. AtomicKitten Nov 2012 #95
I've been to both, I'll bet you've never seen either. NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #99
Bullshit Blueprogress Nov 2012 #107
Don't believe it RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #108
Um, I call bullshit. HappyMe Nov 2012 #109
Anyone care to answer me this durablend Nov 2012 #111
Say hello to Glen Beck for me. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #112

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. They're getting help now, though.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:16 PM
Nov 2012

Just saw a segment on O'Donnell. Schumer & Gillebrand (sp?) went there today, bringing a lot of press with them. Red Cross will be there with 4 trucks tomorrow and FEMA is now on the ground and Janet Napolitano will be there tomorrow too.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
8. Actually, the Red Cross and the National Guard
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:22 PM
Nov 2012

were there by late Tuesday, distributing food, water and gasoline.

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
41. Because short of calling me a Troll
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:45 PM
Nov 2012

The tone of your posts is neither empathetic nor progressive. Rest assured, I have been here a long time, though I do not feel the need to defend my bona fides to you.

I feel for all the victims, especially those who can ill afford what is to come of their immediate future. I'm sure you do too. So lets stop this, ok?

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
58. I am not calling you a troll...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:12 PM
Nov 2012

I am saying that the media is turning this into a story that is not accurate and that you are using the wrong location to draw any type of parallel to NOLA. If this story was coming out of Newark, NJ I would be right there with you. If I hadn't found articles saying the Nat'l Guard and Red Cross arrived on Tuesday, I would be right there with you. I live in FL, I know well what Hurricanes do. I was here when Andrew wiped out Homestead, FL. I remember lying awake and listening to thunder that was 40 miles away and went on forever and being scared to death for the people living through that storm. My former husband was one of hundreds of insurance professionals sent in with checkbooks to issue checks for $5,000 to people who could only provide their names and addresses....but could be found in the system because of the wonders of modern technology.... It is an awful situation, there are 2 million people in NJ without power...is that due to neglect?

I am quite empathetic and quite progressive....to the best of my knowledge neither requires me to expect the impossible.

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
62. I was here for Andrew, too
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:18 PM
Nov 2012

Perhaps we were neighbors, though my neighborhood escaped its wrath.

Newark is messed up, agreed.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
66. So did mine...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:24 PM
Nov 2012

I'm in Palm Beach County and Andrew was a small, ferocious storm that stalled when it made Landfall....Did you hear the storm at all? I've lived through hurricanes since....several much closer and when we had damage....but none ever scared me the way I feared for the people living through Andrew.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
53. So you challenge people @ their contentions that the Red Cross and Nat Guard are there
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:08 PM
Nov 2012

They provide links proving its true. And you still stand by your assertion that they AREN'T there? The folks were told to evacuate. They didn't. They were provided shelters, they refused to go. And now they are in trouble and you are insinuating... what?

I'm not following you at all.

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
59. Read post 44
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:16 PM
Nov 2012

This thread is starting to read like a post Katrina FR thread.

Zone A was told to evacuate on the 28th. Five shelters. Many with no transport.

I'm only insinuating that Staten Island looks eerily similar to the Lower Ward.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
63. Nope. The Red Cross and National Guard were there. You said they weren't
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:20 PM
Nov 2012

That's NOTHING like Katrina.

Your attempts to link this to Bush's fuck-up are noted.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
81. Many of the Staten Islanders that got flooded out were not in evacuation Zones.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:07 AM
Nov 2012

The city has to rethink the evacuation map. Many people had nowhere to go, and the city shelters were not enough to hold 375,000 people. Many people had no place to go. I know this because i have 50 relatives on all places on the island. I live across from the island in Brooklyn. I was pissed people did not leave, but there were reasons. This city told people to leave at the last possible minute.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
94. There is no gas all over the Island
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:40 AM
Nov 2012

Where there is, there are 2 hour waits. Trust me, I'm here now.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
100. Access to gasoline does seem to be a big factor for many...
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 01:58 AM
Nov 2012

...We've known this was coming for like a week though - I think many people underestimated this storm and should have just moved as far inland as fast as possible once the order was given.

Surely inland areas were better supplied and have facilities that could provide shelter

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
103. I am familiar with the hardships imposed
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 08:55 AM
Nov 2012

by Hurricanes...I live in FL. I am not trying to say that everything is back to normal....it won't be normal for months...there is only so much man can do in the face of this destruction. You have my sincere sympathy and best wishes for the safety of all who must endure this tragedy.

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
7. This is the richest country in the history of the world
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:21 PM
Nov 2012

Four trucks with water and mre's for 500000 people in utter devastation ain't gonna cut it. I'm screaming at my tv the same as I did after Katrina.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
52. In Diego Garcia...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:07 PM
Nov 2012

we have huge ships outfitted with tanks, ammo, food, etc, ready to move to the next warzone. I guarantee they have enough MREs to last a bit.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
39. It's because people in Staten Island live below sea level.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:44 PM
Nov 2012

However, first responders were there right after the storm and the people were told to evacuate early on. This is a replica of Katrina. People were sent in right away to help people and they are going door to door to help people.

Tree-Hugger

(3,369 posts)
65. Actually
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:21 PM
Nov 2012

There is a lot of hilly terrain in SI and many folks were quite high up and out of the way of all the flooding. A large chunk of my family live there.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
75. Actually...they don't have a lot of hilly terrain. I have Friends that live out there.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:59 PM
Nov 2012

The ocean water actually came into people's houses. You can also tune into any of the news footage and see the aerial view of Staten Island. It does not have a lot of hilly terrain. Not to mention the NY1 reporters clearly stated it is at sea level, backed up by the Governor.

Tree-Hugger

(3,369 posts)
83. Ummm
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:11 AM
Nov 2012

My family is from there. I spent nearly every weekend there as a child. I spent summers there as a teen. I visit my family there quite often. My aunt lives at the top of a big hill. We used to have a blast riding our bikes down. I am very familiar with the Island, thank you.

ETA - I mean, visit Todt Hill. It's the highest point out of all 5 boroughs.

Tree-Hugger

(3,369 posts)
90. 160 ft above sea level with higher elevations...
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:32 AM
Nov 2012

Such as Todt Hill which is 400+ above sea level and Grymes Hill (near Wagner College). Actually, I think Todt Hill is the highest point above sea level south of Massachusetts. I need to google that.

Have you actually been there? Even if you have friends in a lower level area, such as South Beach, you would have had to see the higher elevations and the hills. You can't miss it. Just look at the other side of the Verrazano - the North Shore is higher than South Beach. In fact, they fared better in the storm.

Sorry to harp on this, but I KNOW Staten Island extremely well and you're insinuating that I am incorrect, which is uncool.

Have some links about geography:

http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/as/geo/sigeo.htm

http://www.preserve.org/serpentine/serpentine.htm

I'm not denying that they have had mass flooding. I am well aware of that and it breaks my heart and I'm trying to help. I know Staten Island has lower elevations. My grandmother is from Dongan Hills, which had it's share of flooding. I know the terrain quite well.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
85. That is not true. Bloomberg did the evacuations half-assed. Many of the shelters in Si were
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:17 AM
Nov 2012

flooded. Staten Island is the highest place in NYC, and the lowest. People were not helped right away but that is Bloombergs fault.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
5. that gives me some perspective
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:20 PM
Nov 2012

didn't know that, I know about zero about New York and its various areas.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
6. Sandy made Landfall Monday evening....
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:21 PM
Nov 2012

The Red Cross and National Guard arrived Tuesday and began distributing food, water and gasoline. State Island is not New Orleans and Fugate is not Brownie....

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
9. Staten Island wasn't on the radar
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:22 PM
Nov 2012

Only Manhattan, and the beaches and beachfront communities of NJ and Long Island.

Spazito

(50,127 posts)
29. Yep, Drudge is covering this and, coincidence I'm sure, it appears on DU shortly after...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:37 PM
Nov 2012

coincidence - not.

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
30. You're insinuating?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:37 PM
Nov 2012

What exactly?

That working class communities don't get a shitty deal? That securing expensive property doesn't take precedence? I've lived through enough hurricanes to know the truth.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
48. So have I...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:55 PM
Nov 2012

there is no cheap real estate in NYC...in any borough. The population of Staten Island is about 470,000...there are 2.6 million in Brooklyn....All 5 boroughs were hit, why is the plight of Staten Island suddenly any worse than those of others?

You want a sob story, why not research how bad things are in Newark, NJ...if it was being neglected that would be your parallel to New Orleans...not Staten Island.

brush

(53,726 posts)
73. That's right . . .
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:51 PM
Nov 2012

. . . about Staten Island. It got hit hard but so did Jersey, Coney Island in Brooklyn, the Rockaways and Breezy Point in Queens, and many other areas along Brooklyn, Queens and Long Island's south shore and they aren't necessarily ritzy areas either. It's mass devastation through out the area, so Staten Island's blue collar areas aren't getting overlooked because they're working class. There's damage everywhere and Staten Island is somewhat isolated as you have to go across the Verrazano Bridge or take the ferry to get to Staten Island but help is getting there now.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
87. I live in Bay Ridge brooklyn a few blocks from the Verrazano Bridge. I am going there tomorrow to
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:24 AM
Nov 2012

get supplies to my relatives who have no power. They have said they have not seen any help until today. Bloomberg is the biggest screw-up there is.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
50. It's a Disaster for a fucking REASON......
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:58 PM
Nov 2012

And Obama ain't no magic Negro!

At least God was allowed 7 days!

amborin

(16,631 posts)
32. actually,
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:38 PM
Nov 2012

maybe this does need to get addressed asap.

the republicans are pushing this as their newest meme.

the WSJ is now saying no generators in S.I., etc.....

the staten island borough pres/congress person, molinaro, is
bitching, too.....

whether this is valid or not, the right wing is salivating

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
42. That is 100% false. They were sent evacuation notice. What the fuck are you talking about?!
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:45 PM
Nov 2012

That is bullshit. Further more there was regular warnings of the storm hitting NOrthern Jersey and all of the 5 boroughs. Stop lying.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
45. Where do you live?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:50 PM
Nov 2012

I was watching the news in Florida and Staten Island was listed as the Metropolitan area of NYC. HELLO!!! When I came back to NYC right before the storm laid foot, there was radar all over NY1 and ABC7 and the bloody Weather channel. You are not telling the truth.

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
51. Radar was perhaps the wrong word
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:02 PM
Nov 2012

I meant post storm news coverage. And I'm sure there's many communities that still haven't gotten attention.

Why do you want to argue the point?

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
77. Glenda Moore ring a bell?
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:04 AM
Nov 2012

Again I'm lost. Post storm news coverage talked about Staten Island. She lived in Staten Island...there was news coverage all over Staten Island along with Glenda Moore's tragic story.

You were incorrect in your statement and spreading false hoods, hence the reason I was arguing the point. And you keep on clarifying you statement which changes the direction of your statement and then can be easily debunked---proving your false.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
21. +1
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:29 PM
Nov 2012

Lifelong New Yorker here. New York City is an enormous metropolitan area. (Something like 20 million if you count the near suburbs.) But it is in a blue state, and has good governance and surprisingly good infrastructure.

Staten Island is indeed an island -- a big one -- in between New York and New Jersey. Flooding in all of the coastal areas in and around New York was more severe than anyone had ever seen. Some communities are on barrier islands accessible only by one or two roads. The situation is not perfect; not everyone could or would evacuate these areas. But there are many, many boots on the ground (and boats in the water) and this has been the case for days.

If you don't trust the MSM to report accurately on the election, why trust them to report accurately on this? They'll seek out the worst situations (and yeah, there are some bad ones, absolutely) because they want ratings.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
35. I grew up in Bay Ridge
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:40 PM
Nov 2012

Also, we should remember that Staten Island has always been "different" the conservative bastion in a very liberal city.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
54. Yes, a big part of SI is conservative.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:09 PM
Nov 2012

But I think people from outside the area don't always get quite how big and diverse this region is. Given the size of the area, the number of people, how spread out they are, and the sheer hellishness of the storm, I think the response has been amazing.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
113. We watched the Verrazano Bridge being built from our 4th floor apartment window...
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 01:20 PM
Nov 2012

I had friends who spun cable on that bridge. I asked the other day, but you may not have seen it....Is Fort Hamilton High School still there on Shore Road?

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
18. According to an ABC report, the Nat'l Guard and the Red Cross arrived Tuesday....
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:28 PM
Nov 2012

I am beginning to smell a rat in all of this hysteria about poor little Staten Island...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. I saw that. I was wondering, though...wasn't it supposed to have been evacuated?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:28 PM
Nov 2012

Did they just back? Or did they not leave?

This is a humongous problem. These things do take TIME. Whenever a disaster occurs, people have to be prepared to live on their own until help arrives. I doubt anyone is intentionally avoiding them.

I read that there was a shelter in Staten Island. Is there not?

A lady was yelling that they need help...how can their children go to school without clothes or transportation. She was understandably at her wits end. But I doubt school is going to open right away, is it?

I'm not sure what a person does in that situation while they wait. Locate all the food that may be left. Call your ins. company and file a claim. Find a safe place to sleep. Make the elderly ones as comfortable as possible. Pass out food to your neighbors, if you have any to spare. But even when help comes, they can't fix everything. They can provide basic food, blankets, things like that. Maybe take people to a local shelter.

There they wait until FEMA arranges temporary housing, I guess.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
25. Do you have anyn idea how big Staten Island is?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:32 PM
Nov 2012

"I read that there was a shelter in Staten Island."

A shelter? A? For all 500,000 residents?

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
44. That's false. There were tons of shelters open.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:49 PM
Nov 2012

Not to mention most of the schools were turned into shelters. Where are you getting your information. And these people were given an evacuation notice roughly a week before the storm.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
60. vaberella...I'm just pointing out to Honeycombe 8 that she doesn't know fuck all about NYC
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:16 PM
Nov 2012

She seems to think Staten Island is around the size of, say, City Island. of course, she doesn't know what or where City Island is either, so I guess that wouldn't help.



 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
89. people were not told to evacuate until the day before. Several of the evacuation sites were flooded.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:31 AM
Nov 2012

I get my info from my relatives there. Just watch the local coverage here. Many of these people did evacuate and went home because they had no place to go. Give them compassion my friend. Blame bloomberg because he did not give any real warning. 2 days before the storm he told nyers to wait and do nothing yet. He gave people only 18 hours to get out. Half the people who got flooded out were not in evacuation zones.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
82. Anyone in Zone A was supposed to evacuate.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:09 AM
Nov 2012
http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/downloads/pdf/zoneA_evac_centers_102612.pdf

Mostly the shoreline of Staten Island, not the entire island itself.

NJ had the same thing....people in low lying areas were told to leave. But in Atlantic City and other areas, not everyone left. In CT, people were told to leave that lived along the shoreline too. Gov. Malloy was told some did not leave and sent in the national guard to rescue some people.

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
22. With freak weather the "new normal," is it time to talk about forced evacuations?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:29 PM
Nov 2012

It's hard for me to understand after Katrina why so many people stayed in the evacuation ordered zones of Staten Island.

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
28. In NYC, a lot of people don't have their own transportation.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:36 PM
Nov 2012

So how do you propose they evacuate, when subways were closed?

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
46. Understood, and part of the "forced" would obviously mean "provided."
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:52 PM
Nov 2012

This storm was seen coming days in advance what if they were provided transportation and accommodations in government shelters inland, but compelled to go?

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
57. I live in NYC . . .
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:12 PM
Nov 2012

Evacuation orders were issued well in advance of the transit closings, and ample advance notice of the transit closings was given. My heart goes out to these folks, BUT they have only themselves to blame for the predicament in which they find themselves.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
91. I live in brooklyn and people were told to leave the day before the storm.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:35 AM
Nov 2012

Many of the people flooded out were not in zone a.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
104. The conservatives in this country said the same thing about Katrina
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:04 AM
Nov 2012

Now here we see people on a progressive site doing the same thing in reverse.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
116. Not the same thing at all, because ...
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:39 PM
Nov 2012

...the reason many folks in the Lower Ninth Ward didn't have cars was that they were too poor. VERY FEW folks who live in Staten Island do not have cars, because, unlike the other boroughs, things are more spread out on Staten Island, thus making it very difficult to live there if you don't own a car. They had the means to leave. They gambled, and they lost. Everything should be done to get help to them as quickly as possible, and I'm not suggesting they deserve anything less than a compassionate response. So no, this is NOT the thing conservatives did with Katrina in reverse!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
71. Um, subways wouldn't have gotten to Staten Island anyway
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:43 PM
Nov 2012

Since no subway line goes to Staten Island.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
97. They have a rail line that connects to the ferry and bus lines that lead into Brooklyn, but those
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:45 AM
Nov 2012

shut down a few hours after out idiot mayor told people to get out.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
93. Many people on SI do not have cars and do not live near buses or the train line there.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:40 AM
Nov 2012

You are right they could not evacuate.

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
102. Yes, so SUGGESTING evacuation isn't enough
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 02:50 AM
Nov 2012

What if it was mandatory, if they had announced everyone has to be out on Friday and those with no transportation and nowhere to go, will get provided transportation and accommodations.

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
47. No I'm not blaming the victim but
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:54 PM
Nov 2012

If we started taking this seriously enough to compel people to leave in extreme cases like this, we would have had fewer deaths. Understood that people would get pissed if they had to spend a couple of nights in the high school gym and the storm fizzled but oh well.

How else to deal with it? If people "ride out" stuff like this, death is gonna happen.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
105. I think we do need forced evacuations
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:07 AM
Nov 2012

People need transportation and a place to be taken to. People also would be more willing to go if they knew everyone else was leaving.

demhottie

(292 posts)
55. Sorry- not much sympathy
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:11 PM
Nov 2012

They left that poor black mother on the sidewalk screaming for help and no one would open their doors or call 911 while her 2 year old and 4 year old died.

Staten Island is notoriously racist and mean spirited. Good luck stirring people up with sympathy.

Try googling Staten Island and racism and you'll see what a poor fit your Ninth Ward analogy is.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
106. Our assistance in a crisis should never be based on a stereotype of a region
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:09 AM
Nov 2012

If there is a disaster and people need help, they should receive that help.

demhottie

(292 posts)
118. Thanks for the speech but
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:24 PM
Nov 2012

I didn't say they should not be helped.

There's a long distance between not feeling sympathy and saying let em drown.

brooklynite

(94,299 posts)
56. Except that it's not...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:11 PM
Nov 2012

...there are City shelters and food distribution sites, and buses out of the borough are running (free of charge)

Tree-Hugger

(3,369 posts)
69. No
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:31 PM
Nov 2012

The majority of my family lives on Staten Island. It's horrible what happened there and my heart goes out to them. I have watched footage of streets and home where I played all under water. However, this is not comparable to Katrina and NOLA. They had aid there as early as Tuesday. There was media coverage of flooding there immediately. I know, because I was in a panic sending texts and everything to family members. Also, Staten Island is a big crowded and it is very diverse. There are definitely low income people there, but it also has it's fair share of middle class, upper middle class and very wealthy people as well. There are plenty multi-million dollar homes there. From some of the reports that I have read, you would think the outside view of Staten Island is that it's always been some poverty-stricken third world country and that is simply not true.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
74. Thank you...Staten Island is huge, with more population than Atlanta, St. Louis, and, yes NOLA
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:53 PM
Nov 2012

500,000 people live there - in housing projects, in mansions, in row houses. Do people really not know that Wu Tang Clan hails from Staten Island (which they call Shaolin)? Some people on this thread act as if Staten Island is some small island or something: it's much bigger than Manhattan in size.

Just for comparison, more people live in Staten Island (468,000) than live in the following cities:

Atlanta, Georgia (432,000)
St. Louis, Missouri (320,000)
Minneapolis, Minnesota (390,000)
Richmond and Norfolk, Virginia COMBINED (450,000)

and, lastly, since the OP was making a ludicrous comparison,

New Orleans, Louisiana (360,000)

Yes, Staten Island has more people in it than the entire city of Atlanta, the entire city of St. Louis, the entire city of Minneapolis, the entire city of New Orleans, and the entire cities of Richmond and Norfolk.

And the entire city of New Orleans. Lower Ninth Ward, indeed.


 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
88. I think people who don't know NYC, or have only been as a tourist don't grasp the scale of these
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:30 AM
Nov 2012

areas - and the scale of this disaster. Saying that Staten Island is like the Lower Ninth Ward is an instance of such silliness. Staten Island is much larger in population than the entire city of New Orleans.

And it is the SMALLEST borough in population. Queens has 2.25 million people in it. That's more people than each of the thirteen smallest states. In Queen alone. As I said, Staten Island, which is the SMALLEST borough in New York City by population, has a larger population than Atlanta, Georgia.

Just as a measure, consider this. I grew up in Queens. I went to elementary ("Public School&quot in Queens. I went to Junior High School in Queens. I went to High School in Queens. My mother and our family have lived in Queens since the 1950's, and in Brooklyn before that, back to the 19th century. Before three days ago, I never in my life heard of Breezy Point, Queens, and I consider myself a bit of a NYC connoisseur.

NYC is massive, being the point. Most of the people on this thread can't seem to conceptualize the scale of even Staten Island, much less the expansive disaster that local, state, and federal authorities are dealing with just inside the five boroughs, much less Jersey, Nassau and Suffolk, Connecticut, Rhode island, and points west.

This thing is orders of magnitude worse than Katrina, and is being handled orders of magnitude better.

Because we have somebody competent in charge.

Tree-Hugger

(3,369 posts)
92. You are so right
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:37 AM
Nov 2012

I have so many friends and family in all 5 boroughs and it's true - you may not know all of the neighborhoods within your own borough. I find that to be true even among many SI residents. People look at it on the map like it's a tiny island and just assume that it must be this itty bitty little shanty town of poor people. One of my uncles built quite a few houses for some big time multi-millionaires up there. For a tiny island, it's a huge place. Until a few days ago, most people didn't even know Staten Island existed and now they are experts on it.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
98. Staten Island had 380,000 population in the 1990 census
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 01:13 AM
Nov 2012

It had just shy of 300,000 in the 1970 census.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
78. I smell troll.
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:04 AM
Nov 2012

Repeating RW talking points.
Staten Island may not be Manhatten, but its a long way from the 9th ward. There were free buses out, many people refused to evacuate. Help came on Tuesday, less than 24 hours after the storm. Uh, if you choose not to evacuate, and aren't self-sufficient for even 24 hours, then you are truly a dumb-ass.

Blueprogress

(64 posts)
107. Bullshit
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 09:18 AM
Nov 2012

The president has been untop of this storm from the beginning. Even your beloved Bownie accused him of responding too quickly. There is nothing in disaster response that can be compared to the failure that happened in Katrina. Nice try.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
108. Don't believe it
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 11:31 AM
Nov 2012

This is the teabagger capital of NYC. They are nothing more than a bunch of whiners, who think that their bowel movements smell like roses.
They often say that they want the government out of their business, but now they want FEMA to come and rescue them.
Give it a break already, they are no better than the rest of us and will have to wait their turn.

What's next, are the teabaggers in Bay Ridge gonna start whining?

I think it's time to call out the whaaambulance for them.

durablend

(7,455 posts)
111. Anyone care to answer me this
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 12:11 PM
Nov 2012

Why I don't seem to be hearing A THING about Long Island on the news? Contrary to popular belief, everyone there isn't "richie-rich" either and half of THEM are still without electricity (never mind the homes that burned down/under water/just plain destroyed).

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