Fri Jul 1, 2022, 02:58 PM
Nevilledog (45,584 posts)
There's a solution to high gas prices. Americans will hate it.Link to tweet Tweet text:
Matthew Zeitlin @MattZeitlin · Follow In Europe, *energy company CEOs* are begging for conservation, meanwhile in the US, no one can even ask for carpooling or work from home. Whatever happened to energy conservation? grid.news There’s a solution to high gas prices. Americans will hate it. Europe has woven energy conservation into its politics and economics in a way the United States has not. Persistently high prices may change that. 11:43 AM · Jul 1, 2022 https://www.grid.news/story/economy/2022/07/01/theres-a-solution-to-high-gas-prices-americans-will-hate-it/ The solution to high gas prices, to some energy executives, is obvious. But only in Europe. French energy executives, including the chief executive of Total, one of the world’s largest oil companies, recently sent an open letter for the French people to “collectively take action on energy demand by reducing our consumption.” Europe depends on natural gas especially for much of its heat and electricity that — although this is likely changing — greatly comes from Russia. The chief executive officer of Shell, which is based in London, said earlier this week that a “turbulent period in the world energy market is coming as Europe tries to replace natural gas that will likely be cut off from Russia.” In other words, one way to lower energy prices and aid in the Ukraine war effort is to slow demand. Conservation can come in a variety of forms: driving less, lower temperatures in buildings in the winter, carpooling, using public transportation, replacing gas furnaces or working from home. In other words, asking consumers — who have been putting incredible strain on energy resources through surging demand — to use less. But if Europeans could be eventually forced by Russia to do so, Americans often bristle at the very idea they should consume less. That’s because Europe — and parts of Asia — have energy conservation and efficiency woven into their politics and economies in a way that the energy-rich United States does not. *snip*
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Nevilledog | Jul 2022 | OP |
TheRealNorth | Jul 2022 | #1 | |
uponit7771 | Jul 2022 | #23 | |
ck4829 | Jul 2022 | #2 | |
TheRealNorth | Jul 2022 | #4 | |
Happy Hoosier | Jul 2022 | #6 | |
ck4829 | Jul 2022 | #9 | |
Happy Hoosier | Jul 2022 | #10 | |
exboyfil | Jul 2022 | #3 | |
Buckeye_Democrat | Jul 2022 | #14 | |
crickets | Jul 2022 | #16 | |
TheFarseer | Jul 2022 | #5 | |
LogicFirst | Jul 2022 | #7 | |
Happy Hoosier | Jul 2022 | #8 | |
MichMan | Jul 2022 | #11 | |
doc03 | Jul 2022 | #12 | |
A HERETIC I AM | Jul 2022 | #13 | |
UpInArms | Jul 2022 | #15 | |
roamer65 | Jul 2022 | #17 | |
mucifer | Jul 2022 | #18 | |
Scrivener7 | Jul 2022 | #20 | |
Scrivener7 | Jul 2022 | #19 | |
TheRealNorth | Jul 2022 | #25 | |
rownesheck | Jul 2022 | #21 | |
jeffreyi | Jul 2022 | #22 | |
TheRealNorth | Jul 2022 | #26 | |
Solly Mack | Jul 2022 | #24 | |
Wounded Bear | Jul 2022 | #27 |
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:04 PM
TheRealNorth (8,093 posts)
1. A fair amount of people are still working from home...
At least here innthe Twin Cities. So it could be worse.
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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #1)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:26 PM
uponit7771 (88,617 posts)
23. +1, ... and the WFH trend is going to grow even more. People going back to the office will be ..
... the exception not the rule going forward.
It's cheaper to WFH and we don't have the work in city tax burden |
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:09 PM
ck4829 (34,303 posts)
2. It's been beaten into our heads, I think, that consumption is "freedom"
And this goes double for the car.
Fighting over limited parking spaces - Freedom Driving a compensating hummer - Freedom Sitting in traffic - Freedom Taking the bus? That's what poor people do! And. You. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Or. Even. Look. Poor. And it's not even about enjoyment, pleasure, fun, knowledge, etc.; you have your thing, someone else doesn't. "Freedom". |
Response to ck4829 (Reply #2)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:11 PM
TheRealNorth (8,093 posts)
4. Yup
The movies and TV ads don't show the guy hopping on mass transit getting the girl.
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Response to ck4829 (Reply #2)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:15 PM
Happy Hoosier (4,835 posts)
6. To be fair... in my experience using a bus sucks.
Takes forever to get anywhere. Not useful for things like grocery shopping. Not to mention obnoxious assholes everywhere.
But I avoid city living in general. I like to visit cities, but could not stand living in one. |
Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #6)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:16 PM
ck4829 (34,303 posts)
9. It doesn't have to be that way
But people would rather have parking lots and garage complexes than bus terminals... because "freedom"
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Response to ck4829 (Reply #9)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:18 PM
Happy Hoosier (4,835 posts)
10. Not sure how buses can ever be convenient for some things.
I know some people adjust their lifestyles to urban living. For me, the concrete jungle is just not a great place to be.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:09 PM
exboyfil (17,600 posts)
3. It ended when Jimmy Carter put on a sweater
It is our God given right to use as much energy as we can.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #3)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:01 PM
Buckeye_Democrat (14,596 posts)
14. I've been thinking about President Carter recently...
... because of inflation.
Now Biden needs to address the nation, urging everyone to conserve energy as Carter did, to make me worry even more about an election backlash in 2024. The media might need to uncover some beer-drinking loudmouth relative of Joe Biden, regularly interviewing him for his drunken input about various issues, to convince even more voters to hate Joe. Not that I disagree at all with the need to conserve energy, of course. |
Response to exboyfil (Reply #3)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:20 PM
crickets (24,649 posts)
16. Sadly true.
Jimmy was right about energy conservation and alternative energy sources, but Reagan made sure to squash any of that as soon as he took office. I'm still angry that he removed the solar panels from the White House.
Obama installed new panels: https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/9/5699946/solar-panels-now-grace-the-roof-of-the-white-house The original panels were rescued from storage: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carter-white-house-solar-panel-array/ |
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:11 PM
TheFarseer (9,247 posts)
5. They are letting us work from home
2 days a month specifically to help with gas costs. Better than nothing.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:15 PM
LogicFirst (555 posts)
7. ARCO gas this morning in Phoenix: $5.00
On the other hand - QuikTrip was $5.45.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:16 PM
Happy Hoosier (4,835 posts)
8. The answer is to transition to non-fossil fuel energy sources.
It's not that hard, really.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:41 PM
MichMan (9,039 posts)
11. I find myself driving less now that the cost to do so has doubled in the last year.
Surely I'm not the only one conserving that way by eliminating some trips and consolidating others
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:47 PM
doc03 (33,006 posts)
12. That is exactly right in 2020 when everything was
shut down oil companies were paying to get rid of their oil.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 03:50 PM
A HERETIC I AM (23,591 posts)
13. Profit trumps the public good in this country, plain and simple.
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:03 PM
UpInArms (50,597 posts)
15. I do custom crafting for a company
located 50 miles from my home … there are a number of us in my area who do this … once a week, I pick up another person and then we pick up 2 other people’s work and take my car that get 38 mpg … thus, carpooling for 4 … and everyone is happy
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:44 PM
roamer65 (34,020 posts)
17. There is a solution to high prices AND carbon emissions.
Motor fuel rationing.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:46 PM
mucifer (22,277 posts)
18. It's great for people who can do it. I'm a hospice nurse working a large territory BUT,
my prius gets about 50 mpg so that helps some.
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Response to mucifer (Reply #18)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 05:54 PM
Scrivener7 (47,345 posts)
20. That in itself is conservation. And I'd imagine you'd be considered an
essential service.
At any rate it's a really impressive service! |
Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 05:44 PM
Scrivener7 (47,345 posts)
19. But, but, but... that would mean not buying monster pickups. How will
the guys look like real men if they don't have their "Special Ops" package pickup when they're driving to Costco??1???
Hand to God. There is a huge pickup in my parking lot that has "Special Ops" printed in three or four places on the body. So we know about all the special ops the owner is engaging in in the supermarket of our suburban village. |
Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #19)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:44 PM
TheRealNorth (8,093 posts)
25. I saw something like this a week ago....
Except it was something like "Seal Team 6" in a big ass truck that looked like it hadn't seen a hard day of work in its entire life. Of course, ACTUAL members of elite Special Ops don't advertise who they are.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 07:46 PM
rownesheck (2,312 posts)
21. Our country's motto should be changed to
"Ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do!"
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:07 PM
jeffreyi (1,798 posts)
22. Remember 55 mph?
Try it. Makes a huge difference.
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Response to jeffreyi (Reply #22)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:46 PM
TheRealNorth (8,093 posts)
26. If Biden suggested that....
Heads would explode. Republican governors would up the speed limit by 10 MPH just to "own the libs".
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:26 PM
Solly Mack (89,025 posts)
24. The collective good v. the good of me, myself, and I.
In America, we're not all in it together. Too much of the I got mine, you get yours, but I don't really want you to have anything in case you get more than me, so I need to keep you from getting even a little, even though I'll blame you for having nothing.
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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 08:49 PM
Wounded Bear (55,398 posts)