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Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:25 AM

Really does not have the moral flex they think it does



‘A roomful of religious extremists and conservative men credibly accused of historical sexual violence found a couple of loopholes in a document written by and for white male slaveowners centuries ago’ is not, in fact, a flawless moral argument for forcing someone to give birth.


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Reply Really does not have the moral flex they think it does (Original post)
Soph0571 Jun 26 OP
Claustrum Jun 26 #1
calimary Jun 26 #4
Wounded Bear Jun 26 #5
calimary Jun 26 #6
bucolic_frolic Jun 26 #2
evolves Jun 26 #3
calimary Jun 26 #7
evolves Jun 26 #8
calimary Jun 26 #9
Cosmo Blues Jun 28 #10

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:37 AM

1. It's not just men though.

ACB is in there making the same mistake the men do. This ruling has a lot more to do with religion than being men/women. There are just as many men on our side (I am one of them) who believe in the right for the women to choose.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:41 PM

4. ACB?

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Response to calimary (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 02:43 PM

5. Amy Coney Barrett - WINO, woman in name only

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:41 PM

6. Oh shit. Of course. Thanks.

She figures SO little in my mind or my writings that I didn’t even go there.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:37 AM

2. Pure and simple it's a culture war. They are trying to out-procreate the rest of us with adoptions

And forced birth is their production model.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:13 PM

3. Agree 100%,

but what do we do about it??
This is a generational change and thousands of women will die and millions of lives will be ruined before it is reversed.

Until Democrats are willing to GO NUCLEAR on the GQP, not one thing will change.

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Response to evolves (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 04:13 PM

7. The only things I can think of to do are:

To remain resolute.
Vote.
Make sure all your pro-choice friends and family members vote as well.
Support Planned Parenthood and NARAL, and other legitimate groups.
Be more aware of what you buy - that may have originated in a no-choice state. DON’T support their economies. No more skiing in Sun Valley, Idaho, for example. There are other slopes in pro-choice states, and lots of other vacation options. There are WUNNNNNNNNderful beaches up and down California, so you don’t have to consider Florida anymore. Same with oranges and orange juice. No more “Florida Sunshine Tree” for THIS voter! Disneyland beats Disney World, for example.

There are LOTS of options. Read the labels to determine production sources. That’s what I’ll do at the grocery store from now on.

Don’t Buy No-Choice. Don’t give ‘em a nickel of your hard-earned money!

Maybe we should compile a list of products and services from no-choice states, here, if anybody needs it. It’d be a very good reference to have.

And if you have kids aiming for college, try if possible to steer them towards schools in pro-choice states. They’re liable to meet their future spouses there, and to make that area their new home. Try to think ahead.

If you have a broker or financial manager, advise them what you want for your portfolio. Make sure they know you’re against investing YOUR money in no-choice states.

And NAG your legislators!!!
From the mayor’s offices and local county officials’ offices, to your Congressmember, your Senators, your STATE Senators and Reps. Everywhere there’s an elected or appointed official who relies on the vote of the people and/or tax money from the people for his/her job.
Write to them so it’s on paper as well as online.
Write to your local/state newspapers.

In short: DON’T JUST SIT THERE AND FEEL BAD.

And if you’ve got a friend whose life and future and privacy rights have just been turned upside down, try to help them in some way if you can.

And one more thing: be the “news outlet” or monitor that finds whatever options there are but who’s behind them. Who’s running for office in your area? What’s the first thing you ask them? “Do you support a woman’s right to choose?” And ask them point-blank. Don’t fudge the language. It’s a simple yes-or-no answer to a simple and very clearly-stated question.
Support pro-choice candidates in any election and every election. And you’re going to have to be a one-issue voter. I know that’s a BIG ask. But look at how well the other side did, when adopting the no-choice position. And THEY were propelled forward by fervent one-issue voters on the no-choice side. If they’re not on your side on THIS most-critical issue, they don’t get your vote. I don’t care if your priest pushes the other way. I don’t care if they even throw money at you (in this case attempted BRIBES) to buy your vote. If they’re not right on THIS issue, you can bet they won’t be right on other issues you care about as well.

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Response to calimary (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 04:36 PM

8. Thank you, calimary

These are things I needed to hear.

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Response to evolves (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:00 PM

9. I think I'll make a separate thread out of it.

People need to know what to DO! Is there anything they can DO!

Well, short of reversing the ruling, there’s a LOT that can be done.

The main thing NOT to do is to give up! Or allow yourself to be discouraged!

One thing I always try to remind myself about is that I know what they want, and insofar as I’m able to do as an individual without a big platform, I WON’T GIVE IT TO THEM!!!

They WANT us to be sad.
They WANT us to be discouraged.
They WANT us to wallow in defeat.
They hate us for what we stand for, and they’re basically vindictive little fucks, reveling in our sadness and loss. They’re celebrating it.

Well, they AIN’T gonna get that fix from ME. Because I won’t give up or let up. And I’m certainly not gonna accept defeat and slink away in dejection and depression. They can kill this snake but they better watch their step because the fangs are still loaded with venom. They can break this window but better be careful how they try to climb into it because those shards are sharp as knives.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 05:47 PM

10. Actually at the time the Constitution was written

In the colonies abortion was legal. Benjamin Franklin wrote about how to do it safely

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