Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:47 AM
RickHworth (88 posts)
What is the official religion of the United States?
I strongly believe that should be the prominent question put forth to the Supreme Court since one's "feelings" on the issue of abortion is clearly based on one's mythology.
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RickHworth | Jun 2022 | OP |
hatrack | Jun 2022 | #1 | |
Walleye | Jun 2022 | #2 | |
Emile | Jun 2022 | #7 | |
2naSalit | Jun 2022 | #19 | |
Midnight Writer | Jun 2022 | #21 | |
TwilightZone | Jun 2022 | #3 | |
Ferrets are Cool | Jun 2022 | #4 | |
no_hypocrisy | Jun 2022 | #5 | |
Emile | Jun 2022 | #6 | |
gab13by13 | Jun 2022 | #8 | |
BlueIdaho | Jun 2022 | #20 | |
Irish_Dem | Jun 2022 | #9 | |
Earth-shine | Jun 2022 | #10 | |
gab13by13 | Jun 2022 | #11 | |
mnhtnbb | Jun 2022 | #15 | |
we can do it | Jun 2022 | #12 | |
Hugin | Jun 2022 | #16 | |
anarch | Jun 2022 | #13 | |
RestoreAmerica2020 | Jun 2022 | #14 | |
Solomon | Jun 2022 | #17 | |
Wounded Bear | Jun 2022 | #18 | |
LudwigPastorius | Jun 2022 | #22 | |
XanaDUer2 | Jun 2022 | #23 | |
In It to Win It | Jun 2022 | #24 | |
JanLip | Jun 2022 | #25 | |
raccoon | Jun 2022 | #26 |
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:47 AM
hatrack (57,208 posts)
1. The official religion of the United States is Bullshit
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Response to Walleye (Reply #2)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:16 PM
Midnight Writer (18,646 posts)
21. Exactly. Prosperity Gospel. If it makes you money, it has God's blessing.
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:48 AM
TwilightZone (21,587 posts)
3. There isn't one.
Even if they think there should be one, they'd just lie about it like they lied about Roe being settled law.
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:52 AM
Ferrets are Cool (19,360 posts)
4. $$$
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:53 AM
no_hypocrisy (42,132 posts)
5. That's the entire point of the Establishment Clause of the two religious clauses in the First
Amendment.
There can be no "established" religion for the country. Not Catholic, not Episcopalian, not fundamentalist/evangelical Christian. But that said, there can be overtones of religion built into a law. And it's constitutional until the USSC says it isn't. And with this group, who knows? They may overrule Lemon, and poof! we're the American Taliban. |
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:57 AM
Emile (11,731 posts)
6. Is Deism a religion? That's what the majority of our founding fathers were.
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:00 AM
gab13by13 (15,527 posts)
8. I am not Jewish,
but I heard last night that they do not believe that life begins at conception. I will have to check it out. Did the court make a ruling that violates Jewish religious beliefs?
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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:40 AM
BlueIdaho (12,982 posts)
20. I believe there is a court case working it's way to the SC
On just this issue. Yesterday’s SC ruling stomps on their beliefs and religious freedom.
I’m sure someone knows more about this than I do. |
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:01 AM
Irish_Dem (35,486 posts)
9. The US is now under white Jesus rule. It is the official religion now.
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:01 AM
Earth-shine (2,458 posts)
10. I asked a similar question when I was a child.
Why are there so many religions but only one God?
The answers moved me to lifelong atheism. |
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:07 AM
gab13by13 (15,527 posts)
11. I looked to the internet and I found one site
that claims the Jewish religion, or a part of it, believes that after 40 days a fetus becomes a person, but that the mother takes precedence over the fetus. In other words the life of the mother takes precedence.
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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:14 AM
mnhtnbb (30,490 posts)
15. FYI
Resource originally created by National Council of Jewish Women St. Louis, adapted with permission. www.ncjw.org Advocacy Resource Judaism and Abortion NCJW works to ensure that every single person can make their own moral and faith-informed decisions about their body, health, and future. Our Jewish values compel us to support full access to safe and legal abortion care as basic health care. Below is a Q&A regarding some common misconceptions about Judaism and abortion. Does Jewish law state that life begins at conception? No, life does not begin at conception under Jewish law. Sources in the Talmud note that the fetus is “mere water” before 40 days of gestation. Following this period, the fetus is considered a physical part of the pregnant individual’s body, not yet having life of its own or independent rights. The fetus is not viewed as separate from the parent’s body until birth begins and the first breath of oxygen into the lungs allows the soul to enter the body. Does Jewish law assert that it is possible to murder a fetus? No, Jewish law does not consider a fetus to be alive. The Torah, Exodus 21:22-23, recounts a story of two men who are fighting and injure a pregnant woman, resulting in her subsequent miscarriage. The verse explains that if the only harm done is the miscarriage, then the perpetrator must pay a fine. However, if the pregnant person is gravely injured, the penalty shall be a life for a life as in other homicides. The common rabbinical interpretation of this verse is that the men did not commit murder and that the fetus is not a person. The primary concern is the well-being of the person who was injured. According to Jewish law, is abortion health care? Yes, Jewish sources explicitly state that abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, “health” is commonly interpreted to encompass psychological health as well as physical health. NCJW advocates for abortion access as an essential component of comprehensive, affordable, confidential, and equitable family planning, reproductive, sexual health, and maternal health services . What does Jewish law say about the rights of the person who is pregnant and the rights of the fetus? Judaism values life and affirms that protecting existing life is paramount at all stages of pregnancy. A fetus is not considered a person under Jewish law and therefore does not have the same rights as one who is already alive. As such, the interests of the pregnant individual always come before that of the fetus. Do abortion bans unduly favor one religious viewpoint over another? Yes, different religions believe that human life begins at different stages of development. Science can explain developmental timelines, but philosophic and religious viewpoints largely determine what exactly defines “life” or “personhood” for each individual. NCJW believes, as the First Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees, that no one religion should be enshrined in law or dictate public policy on any issue — including abortion. https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf |
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:12 AM
we can do it (11,219 posts)
12. Assholism
Response to we can do it (Reply #12)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:17 AM
Hugin (31,218 posts)
16. +1
And there’s a bingo.
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:18 AM
anarch (6,448 posts)
13. capitalism
with a strong tendency toward white supremacy
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:08 AM
RestoreAmerica2020 (3,330 posts)
14. Christian. Graham asks Jackson.."What faith are you by the way?" Honestly why
..should that matter in a country where there is a separation of church and state? [Would have been my response to Graham..probably adding an expletive ] Yet, with SC ruling it all comes down to the majority on the court whom happen to be Christian. Alito having to reach back to 17century English law is ludicrous--that cannot stand! For 50 yrs Republiklans have been actively changing the dynamic of the SC to overturn Roe v Wade-- they've succeeded! Btw and IMHO their "Christianity" is the antithesis of a man named Jesus.
POLLING MATTERS
APRIL 8, 2022 The Religion of the Supreme Court Justices BY FRANK NEWPORT In her Senate Judiciary confirmation hearings in March, Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson was asked by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, "What faith are you, by the way?" Jackson replied that she was a nondenominational Protestant. Jackson, who was confirmed by the Senate on Thursday, will be only the second Protestant on the high court when she joins the court this summer, along with Neil Gorsuch (who is Episcopalian but was raised Catholic). The justice whom Jackson will replace, Stephen Breyer, is Jewish, as is Elena Kagan, who remains on the court. The remaining six justices -- John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Sonia Sotomayor, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett -- are Catholic. Thus, the court will consist of six Catholics, two Protestants, and one Jew Religion of Supreme Court Justices [Gallup news] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/391649/religion-supreme-court-justices.aspx&ved=2ahUKEwii59bD1cj4AhV_KkQIHV2OCUkQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw04oCWGWG9d9pDM_F6xcFXt |
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:20 AM
Solomon (12,085 posts)
17. They want the official religion to be white supremacy.
Everybody knows God is white. That's why they insist that you be religious.
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:21 AM
Wounded Bear (55,351 posts)
18. The Church of God the Divinely Indifferent...
Vonnegut nailed it. God is out there, but s/he doesn't really give a fuck.
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:17 PM
LudwigPastorius (6,377 posts)
22. "What is the official religion of the United States?"
Cruelty
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:17 PM
XanaDUer2 (7,422 posts)
23. Capitalism nt
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:18 PM
In It to Win It (5,636 posts)
24. Originalism
Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:34 PM
JanLip (205 posts)
25. It's not the religion of Christ
And this is my opinion. Watching and listening to those in high places has made me realize they are not representing the Christ in the New Testament. They are doing things that are not in line with the teachings of Christ. In other words they are misrepresenting in his name. If Christ walked the earth right now they would be the ones to crucify him. I know that sounds harsh but that’s the way I see it. And I don’t like the word religion. I’m venting….sorry!
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Response to RickHworth (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:36 PM
raccoon (30,721 posts)