Thu Jun 23, 2022, 10:49 PM
Lasher (25,886 posts)
New Scholar Ranking of US Presidents just out today (6/23/22).Rankings from this new poll:
Biden is #19 Trump is #43 Obama is #11 GWB is #35 Clinton #14 GHWB #20 Reagan #18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States#Scholar_survey_summary The above is from Wikipedia. Here is a link to the new Siena survey, just in case any of you want to drill down: Siena College Research Institute 2022 Survey of U.S. Presidents Rank Over Time
https://scri.siena.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/PDF-Ranking-FINAL-REAL.pdf
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Author | Time | Post |
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Lasher | Jun 2022 | OP |
UTUSN | Jun 2022 | #1 | |
LoisB | Jun 2022 | #3 | |
UTUSN | Jun 2022 | #4 | |
LoisB | Jun 2022 | #8 | |
Lasher | Jun 2022 | #11 | |
LoisB | Jun 2022 | #12 | |
Lasher | Jun 2022 | #14 | |
Lasher | Jun 2022 | #6 | |
UTUSN | Jun 2022 | #9 | |
Lasher | Jun 2022 | #2 | |
roamer65 | Jun 2022 | #5 | |
UTUSN | Jun 2022 | #10 | |
roamer65 | Jun 2022 | #13 | |
shrike3 | Jun 2022 | #17 | |
Midwestern Democrat | Jun 2022 | #7 | |
roamer65 | Jun 2022 | #15 | |
roamer65 | Jun 2022 | #16 | |
Bucky | Jun 2022 | #18 |
Response to Lasher (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 10:58 PM
UTUSN (67,199 posts)
1. Note to scholars: RAYGUN at 18 is WAaaay too high.
Response to LoisB (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:04 PM
UTUSN (67,199 posts)
4. Hilarious that Shrub is close to Drumpf territory & *still* beaten out by Poppy even with 4 yrs more
Response to UTUSN (Reply #4)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:17 PM
LoisB (4,341 posts)
8. That probably chaps his hide. He so wanted to outshine his daddy.
Response to LoisB (Reply #8)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:23 PM
Lasher (25,886 posts)
11. GWB liked to say history would judge him.
That was simply an exercise in kicking the can down the road. Regardless, history is here now and he's not being judged well.
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Response to Lasher (Reply #11)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:35 PM
LoisB (4,341 posts)
12. I hope he falls even lower on the list.
Response to LoisB (Reply #12)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:40 PM
Lasher (25,886 posts)
14. He will never escape his blunder in Iraq.
But I don't see him sinking much lower.
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Response to UTUSN (Reply #1)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:14 PM
Lasher (25,886 posts)
6. Reagan was helped for years in polls like this
Notably by the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation & Institute. His glimmer has faded, however, since we finally realized his trickle-down theory was never anything more than a scam to make rich people richer.
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Response to Lasher (Reply #6)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:19 PM
UTUSN (67,199 posts)
9. Not to mention poisoning the political divide, ignoring AIDS, IranContra, OctoberSurprise &MUCH more
Response to Lasher (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:05 PM
roamer65 (33,940 posts)
5. Lyndon Johnson is too high.
Vietnam.
John F Kennedy should be higher. He stopped nuclear war. |
Response to roamer65 (Reply #5)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:21 PM
UTUSN (67,199 posts)
10. Uh, Great Society (MediCARE MediCAID), Civil Rights, Voting Rights,
Response to UTUSN (Reply #10)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:37 PM
roamer65 (33,940 posts)
13. ..and the Vietnam War.
Plus Lyndon was a bully and treated staffers horribly.
Most of what you mention would have been done in a Kennedy 2nd term. I really wish 22 November 1963 would not have happened. |
Response to roamer65 (Reply #13)
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:02 AM
shrike3 (2,087 posts)
17. Lyndon got it done, though.
It was like the devil doing God's work. I read Caro's four-volume (so far) bio of him, and what kept going through my head, over and over, "this horrible man was in the right place at the right time." FDR recognized that and knew how to use him: the Hill Country of Texas did not have electricity when FDR took office. It wasn't that the utilities wouldn't make money. They just wouldn't make enough money to suit them the first two years. FDR send Lyndon to get it done, and he did. |
Response to Lasher (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:14 PM
Midwestern Democrat (720 posts)
7. LBJ at #8 and Nixon at #28 are both too high - Vietnam and Watergate can't just be dismissed as
"minor" blemishes on otherwise good records; IMO, Vietnam knocks Johnson out of the top 15 and Watergate should put Nixon in the bottom 10.
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Response to Midwestern Democrat (Reply #7)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:40 PM
roamer65 (33,940 posts)
15. +1000
Response to Lasher (Original post)
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:43 PM
roamer65 (33,940 posts)
16. FDR definitely deserves #1.
He got us through the Great Depression and WW2.
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Response to Lasher (Original post)
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:10 AM
Bucky (52,290 posts)
18. James Buchanan deserves a recount
His principal sin was being ineffective and ignorant about how to deal with a crisis. Not much different than Trump with the Covid 19 pandemic. But Trump also openly betrayed national intelligence secrets to the Russians and tried to actually end the Constitutional democracy. It didn't trigger a civil war (yet!) but the harms he caused were deliberate as well as poorly executed. Plus he spent his entire tenure mostly just enriching himself and his numbskulled offspring.
In my book he's ten times worse than Buchanan's mere ineptitude. |