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Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:34 AM

US Senator Chuck Grassley should come to a gun range with me

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Reply US Senator Chuck Grassley should come to a gun range with me (Original post)
Omaha Steve Jun 21 OP
rurallib Jun 21 #1
patphil Jun 21 #2
Post removed Jun 21 #4
Hekate Jun 21 #10
oldsoftie Jun 21 #13
sarisataka Jun 21 #15
PTWB Jun 21 #16
Calista241 Jun 21 #18
Hekate Jun 21 #22
eppur_se_muova Jun 21 #23
Hekate Jun 21 #24
NickB79 Jun 21 #25
Hekate Jun 21 #26
SmittyWerben Jun 21 #5
IronLionZion Jun 21 #6
Evolve Dammit Jun 21 #19
Stuart G Jun 21 #3
calimary Jun 21 #7
momta Jun 21 #8
peppertree Jun 21 #9
Hekate Jun 21 #11
peppertree Jun 21 #12
oldsoftie Jun 21 #14
Martin Eden Jun 21 #17
KS Toronado Jun 21 #20
cloudboy07 Jun 21 #21
FakeNoose Jun 22 #27
Mr. Ected Jun 22 #28

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:01 AM

1. Out of the gate, Franken has been going after Grassley HARD

and calling out his bullshit.

Really glad I voted for him.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:41 AM

2. The AR-15 is deadly enough, but the military is replacing it with a far more lethal weapon.

The new gun will use a 6.8mm round, about the same as a 270 rifle, and will be much more dangerous.
It fires a round at about the same feet per second, but a heavier bullet that has about 2X the energy of the M16 it replaces.
It has a much longer range, and is much better at penetrating body armor.

If gun manufacturers are allowed to sell this gun to the general public, the body count from mass killings will go up dramatically. If you think police are reluctant to face down a killer with an AR-15, just think how much more reluctant they'll be if they know the guy has one of these new rifles.
There needs to be action to ban this new rifle as soon as possible. That and the new 10mm sidearm that is already in use. The pistol is a replacement for the venerable 45 caliber pistol that has been in use since 1911.
Again it's more deadly, and more accurate than it's predecessor, and shouldn't be allowed in the hands of the public.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/2021/10/11/the-armys-m4-m16-and-saw-replacement-is-on-its-way/

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Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:43 AM

10. I must be confused. Can you 'splain to me why DNA had to be used to ID those kids in Uvalde?

You use words like “anemic” and “pea shooter” and stuff — and I am confused.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:03 PM

13. Its the way the bullet "flies". Thats why its different than larger rounds.

The round "tumbles" after entering a body, where a 9mm or .45, for instance, would go pretty much in a straight path. the tumbling is what does so much damage. Its "safer" for a bullet to go THROUGH you than bounce around inside.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:36 PM

15. Without getter too technical

The lighter weight of the bullet makes it easier to destabilize. At high velocity the effect if that destabilization on the bullet is catastrophic which in turn affects whatever was hit.

At a lower velocity the destabilizing effect occurs but with less stress on the bullet so it stays generally in one piece. The wound is therefore much less traumatic.

The result is the .223/5.55 can deliver devastating wounds at point blank distance but is "anemic" at battlefield/ hunting distance by comparison with larger calibers.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:19 PM

16. Sure

 

It’s a comparison between standard, traditional hunting rounds and the .223.

The .223, in comparison to those common rounds, is under powered and anemic—especially when using military ammunition (full metal jacket). Military style FMJs will pencil through a target and do minimal damage compared to frangible defense / hunting rounds.

That isn’t to say the .223 isn’t deadly—it surely is, but when people imply that the .223 is somehow doing unfathomable damage to the bodies of victims, one has to wonder if they really have any idea what they’re talking about.

The .223, fired from an AR-15, will do significant damage to a body, but any high power rifle will do significant damage to a body.

There is nothing special about the .223, whether fired from an AR or a bolt action hunting rifle, that makes it do more damage than when using a similarly constructed bullet fired from another rifle.

When you compare the .223 to common hunting calibers, you’ll find that the .223 is far less powerful and will do far less damage to a body than those calibers will.

Compare a .223 with common calibers such as a .243, a 6.5 Creedmoor, a .270, a .308, a .30-06, a 7mm Magnum, a 300 Magnum, and up and up and up.

The .223 is, compared to common hunting rifles, an anemic pea shooter that will do comparatively minimal damage to the body of a victim.

As I said before, AR-15s are exceptionally lethal tools in the hands of a mass shooter not because they defy the laws of physics to do incredible damage to the body of the victims, but rather because of their portability, accuracy, ease of operation, rate of fire, very low recoil, and magazine capacity.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:45 PM

18. 5.56 / .223 ammunition is not a high powered bullet in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, it will kill someone, and do a lot of damage before doing so; but other types of ammo are much more deadly.

In a few years, the civilian rifle market will follow the military, and 6.8mm ammo will be the default. Nobody will be talking about AR’s and 5.56 lethality at that point.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:05 PM

22. So I got 4 kind replies,but no one really addressed my question: why did it take DNA to ID children?

I’m kind of left with the impression that their little heads were blown off in a pink mist.

Am I wrong?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:25 PM

23. Well, an ER doctor did say that two were essentially decapitated.

So, yeah, that sounds pretty disfiguring.

This article (not something I'd ever agree with in every particular) has some interesting discussion of the kind of tissue damage this ammo can cause, and why: https://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2018/02/why-ar-15-is-very-deadly-military-weapon.html

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:42 PM

24. So, pink mist it is. Sure sounds like something a sane society would put up with.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:44 PM

25. Headshots on small children

If they were huddling under their desks with their heads down, he would have shot them in the top back of the head.

The bullets would have exploded out of their faces, making facial recognition impossible.

It's horrific.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:47 PM

26. Thank you for that acknowledgment

I wonder how long others in this thread can go on pretending to be dispassionate & technical?

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Response to patphil (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:12 AM

5. It is already on the civilian market.

SIG Sauer makes the new weapon.

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Response to patphil (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:19 AM

6. Arm the children to protect themselves!

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Response to patphil (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 02:07 PM

19. The "lethality" just continues to get better and access easier. JFG.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:44 AM

3. Thank You for Posting & Sharing With Us...K and R Great Post!!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:27 AM

7. I like it!

Hope Grassley is shown more than a gun range. The Senate’s one-way EXIT door, to be specific.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:36 AM

8. Thanks for posting this.

Grassley is easily one of the the most dangerous men in government, and uses that "aw shucks" folksiness to mask his evil.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:42 AM

9. Chuck puts the ASS in Grassley

He'll be reborn as a brown-skinned street kid in some third world city with more murders than the entire U.S.

And form the looks of him, soon.

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Response to peppertree (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:46 AM

11. Interesting you should reference third world nations. It's the US that has more gun deaths than ...

… any country not in a declared war inside its borders.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:53 AM

12. True

But I'm referring to extreme examples like El Salvador, Colombia, Nigeria, or Brazil.

Many of those countries not only have deep-seated social problems - but poorly enforced gun laws, with police and even government officials often conniving in the gun trade themselves.

Many gun deaths aren't even accurately recorded in some of these countries.

In other words, where the GOPee is leading us to if they had their way long enough.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:10 PM

14. We have more numerically but not per capita. We're not even top 10 in that regard.

Oddly enough, to me anyway, Greenland FAR outpaces the US in Suicides by gun.
3rd world nations have vastly higher deaths per 100k

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:37 PM

17. Wisdom does not always come with age. Nor compassion, or ethics.

Does Chuck Grassley REALLY need $$ from the gun lobby or the status of US Senator?

Before it's too late for redemption, why not stand up for truth and the well being of the people you ostensibly represent?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 04:58 PM

20. We need T-shirts like the above for every R up for reelection.



edit, they have several.......READ FINE PRINT ON RED ONE

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 05:38 PM

21. Chuckle's ( a.k.a ) buzzard bait ------

 

is way past his expiration date in congress ! we need term limits on congress critter's ! Some of this people were around before airline's started ! President's have two term's & out ! why do we have to put with congress critter's forever ? should be a way for people they represent to 86 them by way of the people that represent - not impeachment & voting! District's should be allowed to install a new rep. ! anytime they are not doing their damn job ! this country has way to many law's protecting the congress critter's ! that goes for the Supreme clown's !

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 08:53 AM

27. It sounds like Mike Franken knows his stuff

I hope he wins this election. I hope he sends Grassley to a retirement home in Florida, where he deserves to end up.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 08:56 AM

28. The point is, LE is afraid of the AR-15

That in and of itself should precipitate action.

We live in a vile society.

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