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Fri May 27, 2022, 05:44 AM

NOT beating a dead horse, but everything I read says that the police protocol..

... for school shootings changed after Columbine.
Before that, police were supposed to wait and try to negotiate with the barricaded suspect(s).
Now, I read that the protocol calls for immediate engagement of the suspect.

Will someone here with actual knowledge of such a protocol please clarify.

"At the time, and because it was such an unheard of event, police scrambled to respond to Columbine. Then, when on the scene, they treated the shooting like a bank robbery negotiation, waiting outside for almost an hour thinking that the shooters would be in communication with demands - all while the shooting continued inside. Today, protocols call for the first officer on-site to enter the situation rather than waiting outside to plan and respond."

https://www.lockdowninternational.com/post/5-school-safety-measures-that-have-changed-since-columbine

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Reply NOT beating a dead horse, but everything I read says that the police protocol.. (Original post)
albacore May 27 OP
gibraltar72 May 27 #1
Tickle May 27 #2
Demsrule86 May 27 #8
Historic NY May 27 #3
Emile May 27 #4
Cosmocat May 27 #5
dutch777 May 27 #6
Demsrule86 May 27 #7

Response to albacore (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 06:43 AM

1. That is being hammered home pretty well nationwide

Michigan state Police captain said on TV last night we are trained to immediately go after shooter.

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 06:53 AM

2. Let's wait until

the final report comes out. Too many changes keep coming out. I would love to hear why or what appears to be that they stood back for an hour. Itís difficult not to think theyíre responsible for some deaths . How the cop who told the kids to yell help and that poor baby yelled help and got killed. I donít know how he can live with himself ☹️

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Response to Tickle (Reply #2)

Fri May 27, 2022, 08:51 AM

8. Fuck that and stop defending these cowards please. They are cowards...letting kids died while

they did nothing for 40 minutes...unacceptable. No investigation (cover-up) will change that. A Mom was handcuffed. She later jumped the fence after convincing the cops to release her, she went in and saved her kid...these cops are a disgrace.

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 07:22 AM

3. Imediate engagement of the active shooter

to seek out and neutralize. Waiting is not an option.

[link:https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/critical-issues-policing-series-police-response-active-shooter|]

A bit more on it. I wonder if they even developed a policy. Most Certified Police Agencies have policies;

[link:https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/active-shooter-response-playbook/|]

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 07:26 AM

4. I want to know who was in charge!

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 07:41 AM

5. This is the case in our county

as you noted, it was implemented after Columbine.

At least once a year all of the PD and other law enforcement in our area do drills in our actual school buildings, they try to rotate to different buildings in different districts.

The protocol is that as soon as at least three, ideally four or more, LEO arrive at the school, they create their own tactical team and immediately enter the building to "eliminate" the threat. It could be a borough officer, a township officer, someone from the sheriff's office. Doesn't matter.

Another in a LONG list of reasons that having school staff have guns is a horrible idea. They would get center massed with a dozen bullets once LEO entered the building and saw them.

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 08:00 AM

6. We had an active shooter incident at our hospital and the police swept it immediately

They paired off as they arrived and had to get their long guns and vests from their car trunks, but they were in immediiately. Our security team drilled with them yearly in training exercises and the police were well versed in the layout of our large and complex facility. There was no shooting and the weapon reported turned out to be an umbrella tucked oddly into a backpack that one of our docs mistook for a gun. But was gratifying to see the police were as ready and willing as they could be to protect and defend.

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Response to albacore (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 08:46 AM

7. Leaving children to die while you handcuffed parents in the parking lot while they begged

you to do something all the while wearing protective gear and carrying an AR15 makes the police the biggest cowards ever. And then when they went in after an hour of waiting until kids bled to death in their classroom, they told kids to call out where they were and allowed the f'ing shooter to kill another kid...cowardice and incompetence on display...all should be fired and never work as police again.

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