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Tue May 24, 2022, 05:14 PM

Ok, I will say it

Last edited Tue May 24, 2022, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

The Constitution is a FUCKED up document.

Any document that enshrines guns as a national religion is fundamentally flawed.

I am tired of towing the patriotic line. Days like today don't give me much to be proud about.

I don't care if people want to call me un-American.


ON EDIT

To all of you defending the constitution by saying it is all about the interpretation...well yeah sure. That is what we are left with. But it is fucked up to have it there at all. Why elevate gun ownership above every other physical object. It simply has no place in the document at all and has been a source of misinterpretation all along.

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Reply Ok, I will say it (Original post)
genxlib May 24 OP
secondwind May 24 #1
inthewind21 May 24 #2
TheRealNorth May 24 #3
thatdemguy May 24 #8
inthewind21 May 24 #10
thatdemguy May 24 #11
Disaffected May 24 #13
TheRealNorth May 24 #16
dalton99a May 24 #4
genxlib May 24 #9
LoisB May 24 #5
canetoad May 24 #6
kacekwl May 24 #7
Budi May 24 #12
TheRealNorth May 24 #17
electric_blue68 May 24 #21
freesqueeze May 24 #14
NewHendoLib May 24 #15
hunter May 24 #18
Novara May 24 #19
Dyedinthewoolliberal May 24 #20
WarGamer May 24 #22

Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:15 PM

1. You are not alone.....



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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:17 PM

2. The

Constitution doesn't enshrine guns as a national religion. The republican party does.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:17 PM

3. Well, it's the radical right-wing interpretation of the 2nd Amendment

And it may get even worse if local governments are prohibited from restricting guns from public places.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/10/responsible-gun-ownership-is-a-lie/619811/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #3)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:22 PM

8. well to be fair the school was a gun free zone.

Which does seem to be the places demented fucks go to do really vile shit.

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Response to thatdemguy (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:26 PM

10. Out trolling?

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Response to inthewind21 (Reply #10)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:32 PM

11. Not really just pointing out that

People who do this type of fucked up shit always seem to go to soft targets. The kid in new york went where he went because he knew the odds of running in to another gun was slim except the guard, he said that specifically.

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Response to inthewind21 (Reply #10)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:38 PM

13. Why on earth

is that trolling??

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Response to inthewind21 (Reply #10)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:54 PM

16. Sadly, mass murders do bring out the trolls here

And I say that as someone who owns a gun, but believes in that governments have the right to regulate gun ownership and how I can use that gun.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:17 PM

4. And the stupid Senate and Electoral College garbage


leading to the most fucked up dysfunctional democracy ever


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Response to dalton99a (Reply #4)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:23 PM

9. Believe it or not

I had actually come to this conclusion earlier today when I was trying to explain to someone why I could no longer talk politics with civility. I told him that any document that was so undemocratic that minority elected Presidents and Senate could appoint an SC that would override policy supported by 60%+ was a fucked up document. That was this morning.

This afternoon's event was merely the exclamation point.

So yeah, it is about more than just the guns. But for right now, it is about the guns.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:18 PM

5. Right there with you on this.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:18 PM

6. It's a document

Of its time and place. But now is now.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:19 PM

7. It's not the constitution it's

It's the NRA and gun humping assholes who twist the constitution to their will and idiot voters who allow it. I just saw gov. Abbott on tv feigning outrage regarding the shooting and I about puked.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #7)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:35 PM

12. K & R.

 

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #7)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:55 PM

17. Well said

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #7)

Tue May 24, 2022, 07:36 PM

21. +1

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:38 PM

14. It's all context

If you allow people to drop the initial clause, it becomes easier to misinterpret. Most of these right wing 2nd amendment fan boys don't even know the first clause exists. They are never going to give that clause the weight it deserves (because it's like first...ya know).

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:47 PM

15. It's obsolete

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 05:56 PM

18. The second amendment was bullshit when it was written...

... and it's bullshit now.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 06:06 PM

19. The Constitution named a "well-regulated militia" ...

... Scalia was instrumental in expanding gun ownership to any yahoo who wants one.

Yes, it IS about the interpretation.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/16/politics/second-amendment-heller-scalia-indianapolis/index.html#:~:text=In%20that%205%2D4%20milestone,the%20legal%20understanding%20for%20decades.

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In that 5-4 milestone authored by the late Justice Antonin Scalia, the high court for the first time ruled that the Second Amendment's "right to bear arms" protects an individual right, rather than one related to organized state militia as had been the legal understanding for decades.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 07:28 PM

20. Amongst the people I know/am aquainted with;

I have asked each time of them when this type incident occurs- "Do you think we have a problem with gun violence in America?'" Sadly, the gun owners I know never answer yes. We cannot truly solve this until we all agree there is a problem. They are mostly afraid (they reveal this when giving me their response) that the government is going to take away their guns. I try telling them they are predicting the actions that could be taken, when all I wanted to find out was if they think we have a problem. No one is going to be able to confiscate weapons. What I'd like to do is make them harder (not impossible) to obtain. Same with ammo..................

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2022, 07:37 PM

22. Let me help you out...

We're the country with the oldest (or one of the oldest) governing documents and most other civilized countries have a 20th Century set of governing documents.

Maybe that's the problem.

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