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Sun May 22, 2022, 05:11 PM

What makes anyone think the U.S. is a first-world nation?

We have laws that restrict women's rights.

Our elections systems are under attack.

We have a tremendous poverty problem.

We have millions of children who are under-nourished.

We have a failing educational system.

The proliferation of guns has made much of our country unsafe and no one has a viable solution.

Most of our industries are doing nothing to mitigate the hyper-carbonization of Earth's atmosphere.

Our media dominate the political atmosphere with false equivalencies and the promotion of lies.

We have a tremendous inequality of wealth where a small number of billionaires (also known as oligarchs) have a vast control over the economy and the work force.

Although the U.S.should be THE first world country, we are sadly pretty far away from reaching that position.

It's quite pathetic and I'm deeply saddened by the direction the U.S. has been forced into by Capitalism and Republicans. But let's be realistic and recognize that a truly first world nation would NEVER allow our babies to go without proper nutrition.

Take a look at other countries, particularly in Europe and parts of Asia, and compare their standards of living to what is happening in our country.

We are in a precarious situation and the Republicans and American oligarchs are actively trying to dominate and control all of us.

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Reply What makes anyone think the U.S. is a first-world nation? (Original post)
PJMcK May 2022 OP
Budi May 2022 #1
EX500rider May 2022 #2
jimfields33 May 2022 #3
sarisataka May 2022 #6
emulatorloo May 2022 #22
Jspur May 2022 #11
rownesheck May 2022 #30
Tickle May 2022 #15
betsuni May 2022 #17
emulatorloo May 2022 #21
Raine May 2022 #25
PJMcK May 2022 #35
qazplm135 May 2022 #4
kimbutgar May 2022 #5
keep_left May 2022 #33
Javaman May 2022 #7
former9thward May 2022 #8
ProfessorGAC May 2022 #13
betsuni May 2022 #16
Name removed May 2022 #36
CurtEastPoint May 2022 #9
PJMcK May 2022 #19
area51 May 2022 #20
UnderThisLaw May 2022 #10
EX500rider May 2022 #18
UnderThisLaw May 2022 #27
EX500rider May 2022 #28
UnderThisLaw May 2022 #29
NotTodayPutin May 2022 #23
enid602 May 2022 #12
ProfessorGAC May 2022 #14
enid602 May 2022 #42
Jose Garcia May 2022 #24
PJMcK May 2022 #41
Raine May 2022 #26
lastlib May 2022 #31
LeftInTX May 2022 #32
hunter May 2022 #40
LeftInTX May 2022 #34
Mad_Machine76 May 2022 #37
FBaggins May 2022 #38
hunter May 2022 #39

Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 05:15 PM

1. And we have a Mass Global Media System that blames Joe Biden.

 


For all of it.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 05:23 PM

2. Because I have been to 3erd world countries.

Where people with jobs live like this:



And their highways look like this:



And their wiring looks like this:

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2022, 05:49 PM

3. Good points.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:16 PM

6. Exactly

I always have to SMH at people who are over the top with how bad the US is. It is clear they haven't been to a truly bad country.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #6)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:38 PM

22. Hyperbole is the fuel that drives DU

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:35 PM

11. I would say we are not third world but we are second world.

There are places in this country that are only a step up above third world like Flint, Michigan and a lot of these dirt-poor rural areas throughout the whole entire south.

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Response to Jspur (Reply #11)

Sun May 22, 2022, 09:39 PM

30. Lots of towns

in East Texas look like a fucking war zone. It's disgusting.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:54 PM

15. Thank you for this 🙄 nt

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:11 PM

17. +1

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:37 PM

21. +1

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:44 PM

25. Exactly. nt

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #2)

Mon May 23, 2022, 08:28 AM

35. There are lots of places in the U.S. that look nearly like your photos

Our inner cities and many rural areas are terrible.

Just my opinion but the U.S. has a long way to go to get back on top.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:03 PM

4. Because by comparison

a lot of other places are worse.

Just because we aren't first, doesn't mean we aren't first world.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:03 PM

5. No longer it seems after 1980 this country started going downwards

Just where we would be if we stayed on President Carterís energy plan. I so despise Reagan for what he did to this country. He ruined the UC system in California and also closed the mental hospitals. Then lying to get into the presidency. Resulting in the de-evolution of the Republican Party from a smooth talking lying actor to a lying tv reality bankrupt developer, the Republican Party has destroyed this country.

My Dad used to say all the time when he was alive dirty stinking lousy republicans. he was so right!!!!!

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #5)

Sun May 22, 2022, 09:52 PM

33. Carter was vilified for this speech, "Crisis of Confidence". However, Carter's...

...diagnosis of what ailed the country looks more and more prescient with each passing year. If Americans would have listened and acted on his advice, we would be a much different and better country.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:16 PM

7. First world these days means largest army

The concept of first world nation has lost all meaning

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:17 PM

8. Well traveled people know the U.S. is a "first world" nation.

I have been fortunate to have spent time in 43 countries. In Asia, Africa, S. American and a few in Europe. Overall the U.S. is far superior to those countries. That is why we have millions from around the world battling to get in this country. No other country in the world has that issue.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #8)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:49 PM

13. 38 Countries Here

I agree with your assessment, completely.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #8)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:11 PM

16. +1

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:29 PM

9. And you left out our fabulous equitable health care delivery system and our neato insurance.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #9)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:35 PM

19. Oops

Right you are.

A few years ago, we went to Ireland for a vacation. I caught a bug on the plane and when I went to the local pharmacy, the pharmacist gave me a B Complex shot and I felt better in about 10 minutes. Total cost = 5 Euro (about $6).

In the U.S. it would have been $70 co-pay plus a couple of hundred dollars for the administration fees.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #9)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:36 PM

20. This. n/t

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:31 PM

10. K&R

I particularly like seeing the usual suspects falling over each other to reply or join a circle jerk

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #10)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:21 PM

18. You mean people who have traveled to actual 3erd world countries? I've been to 38 diff countries.

Heck in the airport in Qarshi, Uzbekistan the public toilets were a hole in the floor with a babushka selling TP by the square and the plane I flew in, a Yak 40 was from the '70's and had tires so bald they showed cord all the way across, the pilot looked 70+ and the co-pilot looked 17 and they both came out of the airport bar before the flight. Not my favorite flight and I've been on a DC3 out of a dirt runway in Central America.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #18)

Sun May 22, 2022, 08:08 PM

27. Took it personally huh?

Appreciate the confirmation

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #27)

Sun May 22, 2022, 09:17 PM

28. Took it personally that people who travel know what the third world looks like

Not really.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #28)

Sun May 22, 2022, 09:24 PM

29. Right, THAT's it

Silly me, thinking my remark hit home

Iím sure the OP and anyone else thinking itís a valid point appreciate your presumption of their own travels

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #10)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:39 PM

23. I've been to Asia, Europe and South America (and Central American Countries)

 

While I have an extreme dislike about many aspects of US life... there is no way the US is anything but a first world nation.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:39 PM

12. Debt

Who would have thought that Russia would have slipped as much as it has? And it will probably be eaten up altogether in the next few years. With all of our debt, I would suppose that we will disappear in some sense as well.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #12)

Sun May 22, 2022, 06:54 PM

14. Or Not

Uncallable debt is not a path to disappearance.
And, the symbiotic economic relationships with major foreign holders of US paper makes any attempt to cheapen value pointless. China is a perfect example.
Finally, the US government holds trillions in paper from other countries. The debt balance is not as bad as many think, and when linked to the overall economic environment, is not the threat you make it out to be.
Comparing Russia, or the former USSR, to the US in any economic measure is just silly.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #14)

Mon May 23, 2022, 06:55 PM

42. debt

I never compared Russiaís economy to that of the US. Uncallable loans are ones that certain government departments (principally SocialSecurity) borrow from others. The are now over 50% of our debt. And not only are they uncallable, but theyíre not backed up by any assets or collateral, either. Iím glad my investments are 75% non-dollar.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:43 PM

24. So, you are saying that the thousands of immigrants who risk

their lives coming to the US every year must be pretty stupid?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #24)

Mon May 23, 2022, 06:33 PM

41. Nope

I just think the U.S. could be a much better country.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 07:46 PM

26. I think all those that risk their lives to come here

would disagree.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 09:48 PM

31. becuz we haz "nucular weapons"?

an' lotsa gunz?

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 09:51 PM

32. Armenia is considered a first world country and parts of it's capital look like this



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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #32)

Mon May 23, 2022, 09:12 AM

40. Parts of Texas look like that as well.

And not just the "Mexican" areas.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2022, 10:14 PM

34. We're rated 13th by the Human Development Index. Norway is #1

Cyprus 0.869 1,223,387
Greece 0.87 10,316,637
Estonia 0.871 1,321,910
Malta 0.878 444,033
Italy 0.88 60,262,770
Czech Republic 0.888 10,736,784
Spain 0.891 46,719,142
Slovenia 0.896 2,078,034
France 0.901 65,584,518
Israel 0.903 8,922,892
South Korea 0.903 51,329,899
Luxembourg 0.904 642,371
Austria 0.908 9,066,710
Japan 0.909 125,584,838
Liechtenstein 0.916 38,387
Belgium 0.916 11,668,278
New Zealand 0.917 4,898,203
Finland 0.92 5,554,960
United Kingdom 0.922 68,497,907
United States 0.924 334,805,269
Canada 0.926 38,388,419
Denmark 0.929 5,834,950
Netherlands 0.931 17,211,447
Singapore 0.932 5,943,546
Hong Kong 0.933 7,604,299
Sweden 0.933 10,218,971
Iceland 0.935 345,393
Germany 0.936 83,883,596
Ireland 0.938 5,020,199
Australia 0.939 26,068,792
Switzerland 0.944 8,773,637
Norway 0.953 5,511,370



https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/third-world-countries

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2022, 08:41 AM

37. Self-perception

We like to believe that were true- and perhaps it sort of was at some point in time, especially right after WW2, but it seems that we are a society in decline at the moment, increasingly rife with inequality, corruption, culture wars, etc.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2022, 08:44 AM

38. The definition of the term pehaps?

"1st/2nd/3rd World" had nothing to do with economic strength or any of the other things you mentioned.

By definition - the "first world" consisted of the US and her allies. The "second world" was the Soviets and their allies. And the "third world" was everyone else.

There is therefore no policy failure (or other thing that upsets you) that could remove the US from "first world" status.

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Response to PJMcK (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2022, 09:10 AM

39. The people who drive nice cars never get out and walk in the "bad" places.

They may not even see them as they drive by.

But a lot of it is spilling over into the well-traveled streets and highways here in California.

You'd have to be blind to miss some of the larger homeless encampments alongside our freeways and busier streets.

Those camps are definitely "third world." No toilets, no running water, no sewers, housing made of sticks and plastic tarps.

I live in a city that's got it all, everything from two million dollar homes, to crowded working class neighborhoods with licensed and unlicensed street vendors hawking their food and wares, to homeless encampments highly visible or tucked away in places people insulated in their cars never see.

Having lived in some rougher places and situations, especially when I was young, I've always considered the U.S.A. a "developing" nation with nukes. We've got more in common with Mexico and other Latin American nations than we do "developed" nations like Canada or Western Europe, even in regions that are predominantly White and English speaking.

So many places the car people never know, making sure their doors are locked as they drive past...

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