HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Ukraine Update: Russia's ...

Sat May 14, 2022, 02:24 PM

Ukraine Update: Russia's river-crossing debacle is beyond belief

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/13/2097899/-Ukraine-Update-Russia-s-river-crossing-debacle-is-beyond-belief


It’s said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. If that’s the case … Russia qualifies.

We saw it in the early days of the war in Hostomel airport northwest of Kyiv. Russia made an unsupported airborne landing on the base. Got wiped out. Tried it again. Same result. There may have been a third attempt, but the airport wasn’t captured until the spearhead of Russia’s attack, on the ground, arrived a few days later.

We’re currently seeing it on Snake Island, of “Russia warship, go fuck yourself” fame. Over the past week, Russian forces have been wiped out several times (here, here, here, and here), and yet last night we saw Russian troops landing there once again. (Russia state media tried to claim that it was Ukrainians who were defeated on the island … using the Ukrainian armed forces video (with their logo on the top right corner) featuring the Bayraktar TB-2 drone interface, of which Russia has none. The destruction of the ship, when Ukraine has no navy, was a nice touch of hilarity.)

But nothing is as dramatic as the saga of the riverside crossing at Bilohorivka, where Russia didn’t just suffer one disastrous river-crossing attempt, but three of them over the past few days.

*snip*


Much more info at link

13 replies, 3425 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 13 replies Author Time Post
Reply Ukraine Update: Russia's river-crossing debacle is beyond belief (Original post)
Nevilledog May 14 OP
DanieRains May 14 #1
Frustratedlady May 14 #2
Midnight Writer May 14 #3
Model35mech May 14 #7
IronLionZion May 14 #4
packman May 14 #5
usaf-vet May 14 #6
Warpy May 14 #9
NQAS May 14 #8
jaxexpat May 14 #10
EndlessWire Tuesday #12
Bucky Tuesday #13
LetMyPeopleVote Monday #11

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 02:44 PM

1. It Appears UA Has Their Artillery Dialed In On The Banks Of The River There

Saying "make my day".....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 02:47 PM

2. If they couldn't shoot missiles, and other destructive stuff, this could almost be a Keystone Kops

story. How many tales have we heard about the incompetence of the Russian troops? This one is incredible. Some of these scenes have to be unbelievable for the Ukrainian troops.

It sounds like all the Ukrainians need to do is return and paint out the "Z" on the Russian vehicles so other Ukrainians don't shoot at them. However, in hearing a lot of the stories, the vehicles probably don't work.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 02:53 PM

3. To Russian military, soldiers are simple cannon fodder. Cheap and expendable.

Putin would rather see them all die than to lose face.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #3)

Sat May 14, 2022, 04:08 PM

7. That may seem to be the case for many in combat arms, but maybe not for combat engineers

the combat engineers are the guys who build things like pontoon bridges and rig ferry crossings.

Combat engineers can't be conscripted and thrown into the line. The jobs they do require technical skill and understanding which requires longer training periods which in turn means they are a military specialty often/usually in limited supply

And the equipment they use is also special and while normally a part of an invasion force, it is not usually present in surplus. When it gets wrecked by artillery fire it's often wasted and can't be easily salvaged in a timeline that doesn't create a serious problem for an axis of invasion.

the thing to remember is that an attack is something that you want your enemy not to be ready to beat back. A failed/delayed bridging/river crossing calls attention to the attackers intent. It makes failure of the attack more likely.

No one wants to fail, which is probably why the Russians tried multiple times to get the job done. And trying multiple times at the same general place gave the Ukrainians more reason to concentrate surveillance/targeting/shelling more likely.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 03:14 PM

4. Unbelievable

It's going so badly for Russia. Their soldiers don't want to be there. At some point they will have to admit that enough is enough.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 03:15 PM

5. WWII military logic as shown in Stalingrad

Keep throwing men and equipment at a obstacle until it breaks - in this case, it didn't

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 04:07 PM

6. Did the Russian's coin the phrase canon fodder?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to usaf-vet (Reply #6)

Sat May 14, 2022, 05:28 PM

9. From Wikipedia

The first attested use of the expression "cannon fodder" is by a French writer, François-René de Chateaubriand. In his anti-Napoleonic pamphlet "De Bonaparte et des Bourbons", published in 1814, he criticized the cynical attitude towards recruits that prevailed in the end of Napoleon's reign: "On en était venu à ce point de mépris pour la vie des hommes et pour la France, d'appeler les conscrits la matière première et la chair à canon"—"the contempt for the lives of men and for France herself has come to the point of calling the conscripts 'the raw material' and 'the cannon fodder'."[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_fodder

To my credit, I knew Napoleonic Wars. I didn't remember the exact cite.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 04:32 PM

8. I really hope...

That Ukraine, with support from NATO, will be able to salvage, restore, and operate Russia’s losses once this war is over.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 05:33 PM

10. Eventually, the Ukrainians' fists will get too sore to hit the Russians again.

That's when Russia will shine. Dah?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jaxexpat (Reply #10)

Tue May 17, 2022, 04:35 AM

12. LOL! n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jaxexpat (Reply #10)

Tue May 17, 2022, 06:04 AM

13. Putin military advisor Zap Brannigan explains



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2022, 11:57 PM

11. A BRIDGE TOO FAR

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread